US starring at 18 months lockdown - Neel Kashkari

[Juggy777]

Neel Kashkari, the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, feels that US is going to be locked for 18 months unless a miracle drug is discovered to stop coronavirus from spreading ahead. While I do understand his point of view, but I feel that such a statement is reckless and unnecessary as it’ll only create more panic among the people. Furthermore it’s speculated that some 16 million jobs have already lost their jobs in the US, hence it’s not possible to keep economy closed for so long.

Source:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-should-be-ready-for-18-months-of-shutdowns-in-long-hard-road-ahead-warns-the-feds-neel-kashkari-2020-04-12

[Spendulus]

Neel Kashkari, the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, feels that US is going to be locked for 18 months unless a miracle drug is discovered to stop coronavirus from spreading ahead. While I do understand his point of view, but I feel that such a statement is reckless and unnecessary as it’ll only create more panic among the people. Furthermore it’s speculated that some 16 million jobs have already lost their jobs in the US, hence it’s not possible to keep economy closed for so long.

Source:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-should-be-ready-for-18-months-of-shutdowns-in-long-hard-road-ahead-warns-the-feds-neel-kashkari-2020-04-12

That's impossible. In the US, after a while and regardless of laws or edicts, people will just go back to their normal lives.

If businesses remain closed, huge black markets will develop.

[Jawhead999]

Yeah I agree with @Spendulus, 18 months is really long time. I can't imagine if US really implemented that's regulation, there will be bad and long economic crisis in the world, not only US.

And maybe dollar will be worthless since US will do money printing to pay the corona crisis and debt.

[Spendulus]

Yeah I agree with @Spendulus, 18 months is really long time. I can't imagine if US really implemented that's regulation, there will be bad and long economic crisis in the world, not only US.

And maybe dollar will be worthless since US will do money printing to pay the corona crisis and debt.

Then we'll be trading lite coin for beer in those black markets.

[Cnut237]

US is going to be locked for 18 months unless a miracle drug is discovered

An 18 month continuous shutdown is pointless. The article does refer to rolling shutdowns, which makes more sense.

As there is no current vaccine, strategies are just based on 'flattening the curve' - i.e., keeping the rate of new infections below the maximum capacity of the healthcare system. Once the current shutdown has continued for long enough so that the peak has passed and the medical professionals can cope with demand, then it makes sense for the lockdown to be lifted for a period of time.
After this, once infection rates start to creep up again, another lockdown can be put in place to keep the curve within manageable levels. And so on.

You would expect that the initial lockdown - the current one - is the biggest and longest. So long as the guidance is sufficiently clear and the rules strong enough to slow the rate of new cases, then it should be safe to lift restrictions once that peak has passed. The crucial thing is keeping the R₀ below 1 - so that each new infected person infects on average less than 1 other person.

If people start talking about 18 month lockdowns, I don't think there's any way it can be continuous. If after a few weeks you are not seeing a big reduction in new cases, then it means your restrictions are not tight enough, so you strengthen them, and look again in another couple of weeks. 18 months is not required. The cumulative economic damage from a lengthy shutdown means that every government faced with this choice will implement stricter lockdown terms.

Economies around the world are likely to re-open gradually and cautiously, certain types of shops and businesses first, followed by others. You can bet that everyone will take it seriously from now on, and any subsequent lockdown will likely be shorter than this initial one.

As for a vaccine - the standard response seems to be 12-18 months as a minimum, but there are things that can be done to speed this up, such as running human trials early. Obviously there is a risk attached, and any volunteers will have to be well aware of this, but I think it's not necessarily the case that we'll have to wait a year.

[Febo]

Neel Kashkari, the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, feels that US is going to be locked for 18 months unless a miracle drug is discovered to stop coronavirus from spreading ahead. While I do understand his point of view, but I feel that such a statement is reckless and unnecessary as it’ll only create more panic among the people. Furthermore it’s speculated that some 16 million jobs have already lost their jobs in the US, hence it’s not possible to keep economy closed for so long.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-should-be-ready-for-18-months-of-shutdowns-in-long-hard-road-ahead-warns-the-feds-neel-kashkari-2020-04-12

Even 10 years from now it will not be the same as it was last year. Wold has changed. But that dont mean that anywhere in the world we will see a total lock down that will last for 18 months. Countries already adapt to live with virus. And they will adapt even more. With preventing spread of virus and with expanding number of hospital beds. Vaccine will be here much earlier then in 18 months.  Lock downs cost countries way to much to not focus 100% to get vaccine as fast as possible. 

[KingScorpio]

Neel Kashkari, the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, feels that US is going to be locked for 18 months unless a miracle drug is discovered to stop coronavirus from spreading ahead. While I do understand his point of view, but I feel that such a statement is reckless and unnecessary as it’ll only create more panic among the people. Furthermore it’s speculated that some 16 million jobs have already lost their jobs in the US, hence it’s not possible to keep economy closed for so long.

Source:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-should-be-ready-for-18-months-of-shutdowns-in-long-hard-road-ahead-warns-the-feds-neel-kashkari-2020-04-12

18 month lockdown? sounds good, western society is healing itself through corona, since all the mass festivals will disappear and people are busy more with recreational activities

[BADecker]

Don't expect the lockdown to last much longer. Check the links at the site.


Army's Seattle Field Hospital Closed After 3 Days, Without Seeing A Single Patient

In fact, this virus has been so overhyped that the Army's field hospital in Seattle, an "epicenter" of the pandemic has closed after three days without seeing one single COVID-19 patient.

According to a report by Military.com, the hastily built field hospital set up by the Army in Seattle's pro football stadium is shutting down without ever seeing a patient.

This is being done "so the service can shift resources where they're more urgently needed", Washington state Governor Jay Inslee said.

Medical equipment at the CenturyLink Field Event Center is being returned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for use elsewhere, but the governor cautioned against reading too much into the move. Governor Inslee wants people to remain in a panicked state of emergency and dependent on the government's salvation.

"Don't let this decision give you the impression that we are out of the woods," Inslee said in a statement intended to push the official narrative of fear on Wednesday.

"We have to keep our guard up and continue to stay home unless conducting essential activities to keep everyone healthy."

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We were never dealing with a pandemic in the general sense. We were always dealing with a tyrannical power grab by every governor in this country and at the head of that, was Dr. Anthony Fauci.  Fauci was so wrong about this virus he should be permanently discredited.  Yet Americans continue to fall in line and obey his orders to their own personal economic detriment.

[PrimeNumber7]

We are having an election in a few months. I would predict that those who instituted the most strict lockdowns will be voted out of office for the most part. There are starting to have some protests calling for the lockdowns to be lifted. If the lockdowns remain in September/October, people will run on a platform of lifting the lockdowns and will likely win in a landslide.

[BADecker]

The interesting thing to watch for is whether it will be predominantly liberals or conservatives that vote for the lockdowns to be lifted.

[franky1]

again badecker not researching the context and understanding the number of the seattle field hospital thing

so today 250- beds of 350 beds are full..
with isolation and a reduced transmission rate of say 1.3
192 last week
147 previous week
113 previous week.

what badecker doesnt realise is without isolation the transmission rate would have been 2.6~
which would have been 113 to 295 in just a week without isolation
(actual data.. of 1 week in one seattle county total new cases over 9th10th11th March=13)
(actual data.. of 1 week in one seattle county total new cases over 17th18th19th March=39)
so in this one example the rate before isolation was 3x for the week
now take numbers of during isolation
(actual data.. of 1 week in one seattle county total new cases over 25th26th27th April=125)
(actual data.. of 1 week in one seattle county total new cases over 1st2nd3rd April=202)
so with isolation that became 1.6 for the week

as you can see there is a difference

thus its not that the virus is not dangerous spread. its that isolation has worked and in seattle they seen it curb the spread,

however if they got it down from yesterdays 250.. which will take a week to discharge current patients and then have less being admitted in between could be a month or two.

if the just removed all isolation restrictions with say 50 left infectious. the following week is 130. and the week after is 338
thus needing then 878 this needing the field hospital AGAIN 3 weeks later

badecker keeps forgetting the isolation is not the virus. the isolation is to stall/delay/curb the spread.
but how much infected people are still roaming around will determine when to relax the lockdown.
and to lower it below a 2.6 multiple things like social distancing will still be in play
because even a 2x brings a 50 to 100 to 200 to 400 giving an extra week of prep time
if they can get it to 25 infected left that gives another week.

the aim is to try and get it to where people are only really touching/contaminating as close to 1 as they can without needing to be on a full lockdown measure..
but this can only happen if idiots dont go round randomly hugging and licking faces of other people as some kind of dry humping expression that they think its all over

[PrimeNumber7]

The interesting thing to watch for is whether it will be predominantly liberals or conservatives that vote for the lockdowns to be lifted.

The lockdowns are widely unpopular and are likely to end up killing far many more people than would have died even under the most pessimistic (now proven unreliable) models.

I would guess voters from both sides of the isle will vote to lift the lockdowns by voting for those who are in favor of lifting them.

[BADecker]

Again, one of the best places to go to get questions answered in an irrefutable way, is The Highwire at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q/videos. Why irrefutable? Because they provide links to their evidence, and videos of what authorities are saying, plus their own observations with questions that aren't being answered.

[Liquid_Gas]

The interesting thing to watch for is whether it will be predominantly liberals or conservatives that vote for the lockdowns to be lifted.

The lockdowns are widely unpopular and are likely to end up killing far many more people than would have died even under the most pessimistic (now proven unreliable) models.

I would guess voters from both sides of the isle will vote to lift the lockdowns by voting for those who are in favor of lifting them.

I know several friends who live in Michigan, and they started having serious protests recently. We will soon see if this spreads to states with Governors who did not close down as extremely as Michigan has.

[BADecker]

Once people recognize that Covid-19 is only the activator for the stuff that has been injected into them through flu shots, they will be ready to come out a whole lot faster than the plan outlined below.


Kellyanne Conway breaks down Trump's plan to reopen America

Counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway details the White House strategy on reopening the economy, decision to halt WHO funding and more on 'Fox & Friends.'

Kellyanne Conway breaks down Trump's plan to reopen America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y66L4xeuj-I

[aioc]

Neel Kashkari, the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, feels that US is going to be locked for 18 months unless a miracle drug is discovered to stop coronavirus from spreading ahead. While I do understand his point of view, but I feel that such a statement is reckless and unnecessary as it’ll only create more panic among the people. Furthermore it’s speculated that some 16 million jobs have already lost their jobs in the US, hence it’s not possible to keep economy closed for so long.

Source:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-should-be-ready-for-18-months-of-shutdowns-in-long-hard-road-ahead-warns-the-feds-neel-kashkari-2020-04-12

It really is irresponsible, you don't announce something that will create a negative impact and panic among the people, they should address the issue in a case to case and on a day to day basis, you cannot project something negatively and cause fear among your people, I think he should be fire for such an announcement, any government doesn't deserve this kind of official.

[Subbir]

The interesting thing to watch for is whether it will be predominantly liberals or conservatives that vote for the lockdowns to be lifted.

The lockdowns are widely unpopular and are likely to end up killing far many more people than would have died even under the most pessimistic (now proven unreliable) models.

I would guess voters from both sides of the isle will vote to lift the lockdowns by voting for those who are in favor of lifting them.

I know several friends who live in Michigan, and they started having serious protests recently. We will soon see if this spreads to states with Governors who did not close down as extremely as Michigan has.

I think we should always all follow this lockdown  it'll be good for us. If an individual is infected with this virus  if he disobeys the lockdown  then ten more people are going to be exposed thereto. For this reason one should observe a lockdown for self-awareness we'll be ready to cure it very quickly.

[BADecker]

No need for lockdowns at all. The whole pandemic is fraudulent.


Results From New Stanford Study Indicates COVID-19 Death Rates in Line With the Flu

They found the CFR in santa clara county to be ~0.1%. They estimate 85,000 infected, only 66 dead.
From the abstract:
COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

Eran Bendavid, Bianca Mulaney, Neeraj Sood, Soleil Shah, Emilia Ling, Rebecca Bromley-Dulfano, Cara Lai, Zoe Weissberg, Rodrigo Saavedra, James Tedrow, Dona Tversky, Andrew Bogan, Thomas Kupiec, Daniel Eichner, Ribhav Gupta, John Ioannidis, Jay Bhattacharya

Abstract
Background Addressing COVID-19 is a pressing health and social concern. To date, many epidemic projections and policies addressing COVID-19 have been designed without seroprevalence data to inform epidemic parameters. We measured the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara County. Methods On 4/3-4/4, 2020, we tested county residents for antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 using a lateral flow immunoassay.

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That's too bad, too long. Over a year. But that doesn't mean it's confirmed or will happen. Do I think there's an antidote? Not yet?
What about those who lost their jobs? They may not be able to cope with the lockdown. Others say that humans do not die from the virus, but rather by starvation. They might even eat toilet paper, just kidding.
The longer it lasts, the more the economy will collapse.

[BADecker]

'Bout time somebody has a good idea for testing the Government people... on a regular basis.


Bureaucrats want to monitor our ANTIBODIES; we should test THEIR blood for drugs - https://www.brighteon.com/5c0f6f1f-a96a-42fe-89ab-bd690d3b292a