China will rule world as economy king after crisis end?

[naaimmd]

There is no doubt that in the near future China will become the largest economy in the world, overtaking the United States. But that said, the COVID 19 outbreak will have a limited impact on this future course. The pandemic has affected both China and the United States. China was able to control it, but after many months of herculean efforts. It caused huge economic damage there was well.

yes, it's affected China's economy when there hot zoon but not as much as the USA and now there making money in this crisis which gives them a huge advantage. we are not sure when this will be over since there's no cure world situation will only get worse while china makes money from this crisis.

[Kez1817]

As we see everyday many people are dying every day in Europe and America and their economy is going down every day and economy specialties are guessing that the USA will lose his position as economy king and china will take over and we are already seeing that china economy didn't drop much and there already making money in this crisis.

We don't really know what will happen after this pandemic.We can't make any conclusion  because we do not know about the plan and strategy of US to stay on their position as the king of all nation. We know China is the number one in terms of economic growth but that is not enough to rule and become a king. Hoping that this pandemic crisis will end so that we can go back to our normal life.

[mu_enrico]

trump is desperately trying to deflect blame for american incompetence onto the WHO and china. it's definitely conjuring up belligerent sentiment from westerners, who are eating it up by the spoonful.

Well, I would say all of them (i.e., Trump, WHO, CCP) take part in this madness; however, CCP & WHO should take most of the blame.

i'm seeing calls for military intervention in china now, even from prominent bitcoiners.
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people become so rabid so quickly. just feed them a little propaganda and they become flag-waving war hawks.....

To be honest, I don't think the US military intervention can free people from CCP or other authoritarian regimes. If any of the US, China, Russia go to war, it's undoubtedly will be catastrophic for the planet. I hope the Chinese will have the same sanity level as the Russian so that no one will push the button.

Anyway, to say China will be the king after this pandemic is too short-sighted, wait until WTO privilege about developing country lifted. Then we shall see new dynamics.

[naaimmd]

trump is desperately trying to deflect blame for american incompetence onto the WHO and china. it's definitely conjuring up belligerent sentiment from westerners, who are eating it up by the spoonful.

Well, I would say all of them (i.e., Trump, WHO, CCP) take part in this madness; however, CCP & WHO should take most of the blame.

i'm seeing calls for military intervention in china now, even from prominent bitcoiners.
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people become so rabid so quickly. just feed them a little propaganda and they become flag-waving war hawks.....

To be honest, I don't think the US military intervention can free people from CCP or other authoritarian regimes. If any of the US, China, Russia go to war, it's undoubtedly will be catastrophic for the planet. I hope the Chinese will have the same sanity level as the Russian so that no one will push the button.

Anyway, to say China will be the king after this pandemic is too short-sighted, wait until WTO privilege about developing country lifted. Then we shall see new dynamics.

it's not sure just theory since China is in control of coronavirus and making money when the whole world in lockdown. anything can happen I hope it won't affect much in our normal life.

[Casdinyard]

As we see everyday many people are dying every day in Europe and America and their economy is going down every day and economy specialties are guessing that the USA will lose his position as economy king and china will take over and we are already seeing that china economy didn't drop much and there already making money in this crisis.

We don't really know what will happen after this pandemic.We can't make any conclusion  because we do not know about the plan and strategy of US to stay on their position as the king of all nation.

You can conclude man, just look at China's economy and recovery rates and compare it with what USA and European countries have got. U.S.A is on the edge now being slight pushed by China, I don't know what is on Xi's mind but as far as I see it he is really giving sh*t with the U.S.A and having them in the topmost position is hard to take away.

We know China is the number one in terms of economic growth but that is not enough to rule and become a king. Hoping that this pandemic crisis will end so that we can go back to our normal life.

If the economy is not the basis for ruling the world then what should it be? China has the most producer of anything in the world that's why their economy keeps on rising, have you ever wonder why apple has a china made materials?

[Leonardo7]

There may be a game-changer after the end of the virus. I really don't like the way China handles human rights. Nations who feel the Chinese hid the virus outbreak may move their production from China

[adzino]

I don't I have been hearing all these conspiracy theories. I have heard about so much theories that can't even believe what is real and what is fake without making proper analysis. Though, all these conspiracy theories end up with one decision - "China is evil and they did this on purpose". This might be true, but then again, this might just be another propaganda against China.
Not sure about China becoming the economy king of the world. Look at them now. Their economy have contracted for the first time after a decade! They are expecting their GDP to drop too.

[figmentofmyass]

trump is desperately trying to deflect blame for american incompetence onto the WHO and china. it's definitely conjuring up belligerent sentiment from westerners, who are eating it up by the spoonful.

Well, I would say all of them (i.e., Trump, WHO, CCP) take part in this madness; however, CCP & WHO should take most of the blame.

why is this even your focus? have you ever stopped for a moment and thought about why the conservative media is so concerned about finding someone else to blame?

the only people who should truly care about that is politicians (like trump) who will lose their political legitimacy and public office if they don't successfully convince the public that it was somebody else's fault.

you know, it's perfectly consistent to believe
-the CCP should have acted sooner
-the WHO acted as a CCP tool
-the trump administration fucked up in any every imaginable way

without transforming that into "it's all china's fault, they must suffer for what they've done!" which serves no purpose other than to distract you from the incredible failings of your own government.

consider what it meant for china to act sooner: they recognized clusters of atypical pneumonia (cases of which normally already number in the millions per year), identified a common source, isolated the genetic structure of the virus, and worked to determine virulence and transmissibility all within a few weeks! it's incredible that they were able to provide the genetic code to the rest of the world by january 11!

consider what it meant for the USA to act sooner: the pentagon was aware of unusual high reporting of atypical pneumonia in wuhan in december. the CDC and NIH were officially informed by january 3. the WHO informed the public on january 5. at the very latest, the trump administration knew of human-to-human transmission on january 20, likely earlier. the trump administration literally did nothing except lie to the public, until it shut down travel from china on february 2. then we saw the first stay home order filed in the USA on mach 19. until april 3, the CDC continued telling people not to wear masks in public. the national stockpile of PPE was virtually nonexistent. there is still no hope of widespread testing in the USA, who will undoubtedly be the worst hit country by the pandemic, at least officially.

the contrast is stark. you have to remember---in january, this was a newly discovered virus, about which nothing (include transmissibility) was known. it was a developing situation that was urgently being studied. now the trump administration is desperately clinging to the preliminary chinese study ruling out human-to-human transmission as the reason for their months-long delays, even though another chinese study contradicted it 6 days later!

it's incredible how stupid the trump administration thinks the public is, but sadly they are right. people are eating this propaganda up by the spoonful and blaming china, as if they zero memory of what just happened over the past 3 months.

To be honest, I don't think the US military intervention can free people from CCP or other authoritarian regimes. If any of the US, China, Russia go to war, it's undoubtedly will be catastrophic for the planet. I hope the Chinese will have the same sanity level as the Russian so that no one will push the button.

china is not who you need to worry about. it's the USA and UK you need to worry about, in terms of a military war.

[Kasabus]

I don't I have been hearing all these conspiracy theories. I have heard about so much theories that can't even believe what is real and what is fake without making proper analysis. Though, all these conspiracy theories end up with one decision - "China is evil and they did this on purpose". This might be true, but then again, this might just be another propaganda against China.
Not sure about China becoming the economy king of the world. Look at them now. Their economy have contracted for the first time after a decade! They are expecting their GDP to drop too.

This outbreak had actually started in China which had killed a lot of lives worlwide so definitely, China should be offering help to those affected countries. But a lot of people say that this is selfishly done by China just to bring down the economy of other countries and let China be the king of economy worldwide. This might be possible because China alone is a very progressive country even before.

[shield132]

As we see everyday many people are dying every day in Europe and America and their economy is going down every day and economy specialties are guessing that the USA will lose his position as economy king and china will take over and we are already seeing that china economy didn't drop much and there already making money in this crisis.

No man, no. Current situation around the world isn't good for China too and also we don't know whether information provided by China is 100% real or not and you know it's pretty common for communist countries to hide reality (remember hidden of facts around the Chernobyl accident and other soviet stories).
China is the world's largest exporter of goods. Since  there is a deep recessions in USA, Europe and in overall around the world, who will export from China? No one because there is no time of it. China exports smartphones, computers and etc, so export from China will fall a lot. But at the same time China is the biggest importer, takes second place in it, below to USA. In any way import/export will decline for China, especially when USA doesn't like them and world saw this threat from China, so more likely USA/Europe will unite against China and there will be a plan to move factories from it to their countries but to still keep near to Chinese prices. For this they may move factories not in their countries but in countries where workers are cheap like India, Turkey and etc.
Well, to sum up, World will try to recover from economy crisis and get rid of any kind of dependence on China, thus will destroy Chinese economy.

[BChydro]

it's not sure just theory since China is in control of coronavirus and making money when the whole world in lockdown. anything can happen I hope it won't affect much in our normal life.

China is not providing the complete data about the situation, they are still hiding about the full impact of this corona virus, a complete lockdown is affecting each and every one, i am not going out for a long time, luckily the government is providing food and medicine, the only option is to sit at home and do something to entertain yourself so that you do not get affected by the virus roaming outside.

[samcrypto]

We can’t say no since right now they are on top, doing a good business to the world but it will still depend on how western countries treat China, and on Europe where the case is so high. The virus affects many Economy but I still believe that US will survive on this, if they have a better decision to solve the problem and not just attacking the media and the WHO.

[eaLiTy]

To be honest, I don't think the US military intervention can free people from CCP or other authoritarian regimes. If any of the US, China, Russia go to war, it's undoubtedly will be catastrophic for the planet. I hope the Chinese will have the same sanity level as the Russian so that no one will push the button.

I do accept this as China is a super power and you cannot fight the Chinese and expect peace, a world war will erupt if there is a military action against them and it all depends upon which side Russia will support and if Russia supports the Chinese then it will be catastrophic.

Anyway, to say China will be the king after this pandemic is too short-sighted, wait until WTO privilege about developing country lifted. Then we shall see new dynamics.

There will be a major shift in many sectors like we used to see in the past, this is an awakening call for every nation where they spent billions to military and warfare but an invisible virus forced every country to shut everything, the dynamics will change for the good and no country will be spared from this situation, most of the countries who have manufacturing units in China will ask the companies to move out and Japan already announced a 1.2 billion bail out for companies to move out from China and i am expecting all the major nations doing that and that will have a major impact on the Chinese economy along with the pandemic.

have you ever stopped for a moment and thought about why the conservative media is so concerned about finding someone else to blame?

Everyone liked the blame game, the WHO is responsible for majority of the issue as they were not addressing the situation and even when there were calls for shutting down airports when the spread started WHO gave a briefing that it is not that serious and it is not necessary to shut the airports.

[figmentofmyass]

have you ever stopped for a moment and thought about why the conservative media is so concerned about finding someone else to blame?

Everyone liked the blame game, the WHO is responsible for majority of the issue as they were not addressing the situation and even when there were calls for shutting down airports when the spread started WHO gave a briefing that it is not that serious and it is not necessary to shut the airports.

dude, the WHO is a chronically underfunded UN agency!

since when do governments (especially superpowers) get to blame external organizations like that for basic national concerns like disaster preparedness and public health?

even if you ignore the trump administration's complete inaction for 1+ month, their failure to bar european travel until mid-march, their complete lack of preparedness prior to the epidemic, and their deliberate spread of misinformation re epidemic risks and mask efficacy until april.......even if you somehow believe the trump administration's narrative about delayed knowledge of human-to-human transmission, then riddle me this:

why would the USA's public health response ever be dependent on the WHO?

people forget that 10-15 years ago, the USA was well equipped to respond to a pandemic: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013

obama and trump successively dismantled the entire infrastructure for pandemic response and slashed CDC spending repeatedly. is it a surprise the CDC just became a mouthpiece for the WHO? whose fault is that?

but no, nobody wants to hold their public officials accountable anymore because they are so fucking partisan. they just want to point fingers at people they hate and go to war. this wartime mentality is exactly how the USA started becoming a police state post-9/11, and it's why they were able to justify popular support for invading iraq and afghanistan.

the next thing you know, we'll be dropping bombs on beijing. just wait and see where this "ignore reality and blame china at all costs" mentality goes. and watch as these stories become increasingly urgent over time:
China may be conducting secret nuclear tests, State Department warns

sadly i have noticed most bitcoiners today are not libertarians like early adopters, but populists who channel their economic anger into whatever their news media and politicians tell them to.

[abhiseshakana]

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people forget that 10-15 years ago, the USA was well equipped to respond to a pandemic

One observer of modern monetary theory looks at the condition of the corona from the other side that colors the American presidential election in 2020.

Oligarchs and plutocracy are carrying out maneuvers, namely, shadow zabbatai behind the republican party and orthodox shadow behind the democrat party. Why did Sanders resign from his nomination as representative democrat and Joe Bidden who came forward with the Obama Care program volume 2 in his campaign.

When Obama came to power there was an Obama care health safety net program backed up by the government and the private sector. Health services, hospitals, medical devices, medical personnel, and pharmaceutical drugs are the most profitable businesses in the Obama administration. But when Trump is in charge the emphasis is on the military-industrial complex, oil and gas, mineral mines and many more incumbent energy rulers and defense networks which all defense contractors support the Trump administration. The health sector lost the coffers of its wealth.

China is not providing the complete data about the situation, they are still hiding about the full impact of this corona virus, a complete lockdown is affecting each and every one, i am not going out for a long time, luckily the government is providing food and medicine, the only option is to sit at home and do something to entertain yourself so that you do not get affected by the virus roaming outside.

After the corona pandemic subsided China immediately launched its digital Yuan. Two days ago the Chinese government had begun showing their digital money appearances. It seems like China is moving faster and using the corona's momentum to go first.

In addition to the drug for Corona, the Chinese government also announced that there are 2 corona vaccines which will be released soon. 1 vaccine is still in the stage of testing on humans and another vaccine has completed the second phase of the test and will soon enter the third phase of the test but it is likely to be missed with pandemic reasons. The third stage can be described as a retest ie comparing with similar drugs in the same disease. So the corona vaccine + drug has been found in China and how China will use it after this.

[TheUltraElite]

Too early to say anything. We are in a situation for economic crisis and the countries are trying their best to tide over the situation. Badly effected countries or poorer countries are the worst hit at the moment. For them recovery will be tough.

Whether one country will be ruling (not taking names) is a question but I do not think there is a specific answer to this because once the situation becomes better, whether there will be conflicts is another question. Let us hope that it does not happen but truely speaking, America will not bow down to some other country easily which can make things worse.

Speaking of bitcoin, it is going up slightly but this is temporary, still people are making money on margin trading, shows that people are optimistic about money and want to make more of it.

[Latviand]

China is already the manufacturing hub of this world, even when there is no trace of corona on countries other than China they faced issue on the supply chain so after this, they will hold more power in the manufacturing industries and also yes they will be considered as supernation as well.

But America is doing something to hold their position and many people not aware of it.

I think there a possibility that it will happen, their economy is stable and they manipulated it properly even if they are the epicenter of the virus. It is hard to say if it is intentional or not that they make the virus, but don't have any proof yet. Probably, they already have the vaccine because the recovery in their country is somehow stable in 77k and still increasing, and the number of cases is already not increasing so much. Most of our products, items, and goods came from their country because their man power and labor is so much better compared to other countries, they are the no.1 largest population in the world. On the other side, US really is having a hard time and trying to manage their economy as they are fighting with the virus.

Have you heard of moon mining? Rare earth elements!

Moon mining sounds interesting, I'm rooting for the US to do that as soon as possible.

[aioc]

Not sure about China becoming the economy king of the world. Look at them now. Their economy have contracted for the first time after a decade! They are expecting their GDP to drop too.

Yes, that's true but not very severe compare to other countries badly hit by the Coronavirus, this conspiracy theories are circulating around the net, and media become suspicious because they don't want to show to the world that the Coronna Virus comes from one of their labs in Wuhan, they are censoring every article that points to that theory.

[michellee]

China is not providing the complete data about the situation, they are still hiding about the full impact of this corona virus, a complete lockdown is affecting each and every one, i am not going out for a long time, luckily the government is providing food and medicine, the only option is to sit at home and do something to entertain yourself so that you do not get affected by the virus roaming outside.

That is what I am thinking so far. They can hide something behind the coronavirus, and I guess they have other information which can be used for another country. But I hope that will be over soon because many countries still trying to help their people by isolating them in the hospital and give them a treatment to cure the virus. It is affecting all countries, and the lockdown still is applied in many countries too, but the important thing is we need to keep healthy, so the virus doesn't attack our health.

[NavI_027]

As we see everyday many people are dying every day in Europe and America and their economy is going down every day and economy specialties are guessing that the USA will lose his position as economy king and china will take over and we are already seeing that china economy didn't drop much and there already making money in this crisis.

That's going to happen for sure if the crisia on US and Europe gets even worse. China's economy is suffering as well but at least their status gets milder thus going back on its normal operation soon.

By the way, I saw a pic on FB a while ago and I'll let you decide what's your opinion on this.