Very Important question regarding online poker...

[CryCrptoCry]

I have a question regarding online poker websites. How do they prove that there is no chance of superusers on there platforms? I do not have very sound technical knowledge about how things works behind the impressive addictive graphics, so please explain it to me in simple terms. IMHO it is my right to know about it as a player who is using there platform, paying them rake.
I know there are many websites such as nitrogensports,  swc poker, betcoin.ag, sportsbet.io etc. I expect simple answers from any of them regarding how they are preventing chances of superusers.
Any established member can also give inputs if he knows about the practices they are currently employing regarding the matter.
All I wanted to know basically is that if there is any technical way to prevent the possibility of superusers or we have no option other than trusting these poker platforms, (which can be very risky).
 

[SeaBits]

There are some sites that incorporate the "Provavly Fair" system in their payouts, take a looks at the Casino: https://fair.poker/ (I've never used them but they have some system in place). This explains how they do it: https://fair.poker/tech

No matter what only bet what you can loose and all of these sites are a "gamble".

[Lakai01]

There are some sites that incorporate the "Provavly Fair" system in their payouts

Provably fair has nothing to do with superusers. Provably fair simply means that a casino uses a "fair" algorithm to shuffle the deck.

The term "superuser" describes a player at the table who has an unfair advantage over the other players. An example is a (former) employee who has access to the database and therefore knows which cards are in his opponents hands and is very likely to win the table due to this advantage. An other example would be a flaw in the casinos software which gets abused by players.

Superusers are very hard to detect, especially at the beginning. A casino simply cant protect itself against all possible exploits, they only can take actions to keep the chances as low as possible that a player gets access to data which would give him an unfair advantage. Such actions are eg using a fraud detection software, external security tests and more basic actions like changing passwords constantly etc.
Unfortunately, none of those actions taken can guarantee that there is no superuser on the table, they can only limit the chances that it happens.

[harizen]

All I wanted to know basically is that if there is any technical way to prevent the possibility of superusers or we have no option other than trusting these poker platforms, (which can be very risky).
 

First of all, how you define superuser? What if these players are really good and even let's say you are giving your best, you still wrecked. Can you consider a platform is safe from this kind of player?

You are right, we as a gambler should know the technicality behind determining if there's someone doing an exploit, however, there's no such thing that can tell us directly that there's been ongoing sh*t happening on our session.

So for me:

a) I will analyze their game style
b) Do my best in every round
c) I will only choose those sites that established reputation
d) The heavy word, TRUST

After all, these big sites will not give dirt to their name for an issue about superusers as building reputation is really tough. Although it's really hard to put some trust as we don't want just to rely on that "WORD", I don't see a literal way for us players to determine if we are against a superuser.

[CryCrptoCry]

All I wanted to know basically is that if there is any technical way to prevent the possibility of superusers or we have no option other than trusting these poker platforms, (which can be very risky).
 

First of all, how you define superuser? What if these players are really good and even let's say you are giving your best, you still wrecked. Can you consider a platform is safe from this kind of player?

You are right, we as a gambler should know the technicality behind determining if there's someone doing an exploit, however, there's no such thing that can tell us directly that there's been ongoing sh*t happening on our session.

So for me:

a) I will analyze their game style
b) Do my best in every round
c) I will only choose those sites that established reputation
d) The heavy word, TRUST

After all, these big sites will not give dirt to their name for an issue about superusers as building reputation is really tough. Although it's really hard to put some trust as we don't want just to rely on that "WORD", I don't see a literal way for us players to determine if we are against a superuser.

Thanks for you inputs but my question is still unanswered. I am a poker player and i know when you suck at the game and blame others for your loss instead of improving  your game. But here I am not talking all this new age group kind of things.
My question was specific about the prevention of superusers through technology. Changing passwords, internal scrutiny etc that is ok but what is these platform's SOP, really is against the potential threat.

[Lakai01]

Thanks for you inputs but my question is still unanswered. I am a poker player and i know when you suck at the game and blame others for your loss instead of improving  your game. But here I am not talking all this new age group kind of things.
My question was specific about the prevention of superusers through technology. Changing passwords, internal scrutiny etc that is ok but what is these platform's SOP, really is against the potential threat.

The problem here is that an online casino cannot and will not tell you its strategies for protecting itself against misuse. If a casino reveals its strategies, it is immediately more vulnerable. A potential attacker knows which measures to prepare for and can therefore plan better and deal with them more easily.
Imagine a knight's castle under siege in the early Middle Ages. If the attackers had known in detail which strategies the lord of the castle developed against the attacks (moat, burning oil, ...) it would have been a lot easier to take the castle.

But what you can assume is that every major platform has such strategies. Otherwise, they would have been victims of attacks / hacks a long time ago, because they are a lucrative target due to the high amounts of crypto coins used (or wasted ) at their sites.

[ChuckBuck]

Why should they prove that there is no superusers though, I don't get it. Is this normal in a regular poker place (I've never seen one or even had one, just private poker with friends) that they have to let other people know the table they're sitting at are full of these superusers? I mean, if it is a former employee, then shouldn't they not even be allowed?

I also had the same question as you when reading OP, but Lakai01's explanation is really logical, I can easily imagine from him. Basically, proving no superusers is to ensure that each player's win rate is the same. In other words, it is a way to ensure fairness for everyone on their platform.

All I wanted to know basically is that if there is any technical way to prevent the possibility of superusers or we have no option other than trusting these poker platforms, (which can be very risky).

We can choose to trust or not trust a platform, we are free to decide, once we trust it, we have to take risks, of course, this risk is the same for each other to play on the same platform. Players on one platform cannot play against players on another, so their risk ratio is the same. A platform will never public any of their strategies in terms of security, so don't expect anything there, Lakai01 has a great example for it.

[Gamevy]

i can tell you, these super users DO exist but youll only encounter them at the highest stakes.
nitrogen poker i lost over 40 whole bitcoins before coming to an absolute conclusion that they exist. just highly improbable plays and action countless times over and i was reluctant to believe it until it just can not be explained any other way.

whether its someone cheating the platform or an insider that i do not know.

[Lakai01]

There are many platforms which are operating for a very long time and many tech guys will be playing in it so if there is any concern then it would have been exposed [...]

The problem is that it is next to impossible to proof that someone is a superuser. If someone is tech savy enough to break into a system and get access to the database for example he does know how to hide his actions, too.
If he doesnt get too cocky and doesnt play in a way that you can be sure that he has more information about the deck/his opponents hands/... than he should you wont usually have any chance to commit him of an abuse.

I found a very interesting site that deals with this topic in more detail. Here is the link to it. The conclusion is as follows:

It is important to choose highly reputable online poker sites and choose those that have high levels of play action. Those are good signs that they are high quality operations.

I agree with that. The only way to protect yourself against fraud is to use a reputable site with a high number of players. Such sites simply cannot afford to be considered scammers or at least consideres as sites where people are cheated.

[Hippocrypto]

There are many platforms which are operating for a very long time and many tech guys will be playing in it so if there is any concern then it would have been exposed and if you still don't believe there are also some decentralized platforms available in this space where few of them uses block hash for the fairness you could consider those I think

Considering the fact that these online platforms have been operating, I guess we should try to register one of them in order to experience their services. Online casino is much more effective instead of your local ones, because you won't waste huge funds due to minimal betting requirements. It's more fun and convenient as well.

[unouresha]

There are some sites that incorporate the "Provavly Fair" system in their payouts, take a looks at the Casino: https://fair.poker/ (I've never used them but they have some system in place). This explains how they do it: https://fair.poker/tech

No matter what only bet what you can loose and all of these sites are a "gamble".

What an interesting concept, do you know when this platform was launched?

[babo]

I have a question regarding online poker websites. How do they prove that there is no chance of superusers on there platforms? I do not have very sound technical knowledge about how things works behind the impressive addictive graphics, so please explain it to me in simple terms. IMHO it is my right to know about it as a player who is using there platform, paying them rake.
I know there are many websites such as nitrogensports,  swc poker, betcoin.ag, sportsbet.io etc. I expect simple answers from any of them regarding how they are preventing chances of superusers.
Any established member can also give inputs if he knows about the practices they are currently employing regarding the matter.
All I wanted to know basically is that if there is any technical way to prevent the possibility of superusers or we have no option other than trusting these poker platforms, (which can be very risky).
 

simply, you cannot prove existence of superuser
in big company (i mean poker online) is trust to push company to avoid superuser creation

big company buy license (ex. italy: buy license from aams with strict requirements, like hardware certified randomizator) and if lost trust = lost money

for small company is all different

[CryCrptoCry]

There are many platforms which are operating for a very long time and many tech guys will be playing in it so if there is any concern then it would have been exposed [...]

The problem is that it is next to impossible to proof that someone is a superuser. If someone is tech savy enough to break into a system and get access to the database for example he does know how to hide his actions, too.
If he doesnt get too cocky and doesnt play in a way that you can be sure that he has more information about the deck/his opponents hands/... than he should you wont usually have any chance to commit him of an abuse.

Yup until greed took over and you try to kill the hen and capture all the golden eggs.

[nakamura12]

Yup until greed took over and you try to kill the hen and capture all the golden eggs.

You can only hope that there is no super users existed on the platform that you have been using so that all poker players have same win rate as the others. On the other hand, provably fair have nothing to do with the players winning all the time as explained in previous post.

[Mumbeeptind1963]

Yup until greed took over and you try to kill the hen and capture all the golden eggs.

You can only hope that there is no super users existed on the platform that you have been using so that all poker players have same win rate as the others. On the other hand, provably fair have nothing to do with the players winning all the time as explained in previous post.

Maybe those users who are very addicted on playing poker in real life or even here in crypto world will have the 100% chance to win promise no doubt. Most of the time the system is unfair when it comes to pairing matches because they are combining those players with not the same win rate.