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April 21, 2020, 01:55:12 PM
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ETH is decentralized. Vitalik Buterin able to forked ETH to rollback transactions from DAO hack because there are many ETH users who stood with his action. Yes, he is a leading figure of ETH but ETH users agree with that course of action so it isn't like Vitalik Buterin could do whatever he wants without the agreement with ETH users at that time.

Again, the fact that majority agreed with him is one major point. Think if the one who made the proposal to rollback the chain was someone else that's not Vitalik, I could guarantee it would get a lot lower attention. Look at the Binance hack as an example, whereas CZ was initially interested in doing a sort of rollback to regain control of the stolen funds. What happened? People crapped on CZ.

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April 21, 2020, 02:12:08 PM
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Recently, ETH has planned to switch on PoS which I think more risky because with more weight or balance, anyone can manipulate. However, I think Vitalik owns such amount of ETH to manipulate the network. That's the different between PoS and PoW. Anyone with a huge fund can manipulate a chain in PoS while with huge fund in PoW, they have no power of manipulation in the chain.
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April 21, 2020, 03:16:07 PM
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Is ETH decentralized?

Biggest ETH problem is not decentralisation but security. Why reversing block chain need to happen in first place. And there was many incidents later on. ETH is an experiment. Not a place where you want to keep your wealth. 
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April 21, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
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Probably not well decentralized but it looks like the stakeholders and developers are really working hard to properly decentralize it. Just hope they do it the right way.
Every community member will need to be part of keeping Ethereum safe and decentralized in the future. Things like having +100,000  Ethereum members to easily run full nodes to fully monitor the network,  check and balance things in a Blockchain-friendly manner will matter alot.

The roll back of transaction is actually important. It should be done via consensus though. If there is undeniable proof that a user/address stole from people, the user should lose his/her censorship resistant right and the money recovered.
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April 21, 2020, 03:55:05 PM
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Ethereum is an open software platform based on blockchain technology that enables developers to build and deploy decentralized applications.
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April 21, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
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Is ETH decentralized?

Biggest ETH problem is not decentralisation but security. Why reversing block chain need to happen in first place. And there was many incidents later on. ETH is an experiment. Not a place where you want to keep your wealth. 

Agreed with this. Security is more of an issue, when compared to decentralization. Recently, there have been a number of incidents, which laid bare the security vulnerabilities of Ethereum. And I expect the situation to get worse after the implementation of Ethereum 2.0. From what I heard, the developers are ignoring a number of issues, so that they can roll out ETH 2.0 sometime soon.
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April 21, 2020, 04:36:40 PM
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This is a good discussion why we should believe ethereum is not decentralized.

ethereum isn't decentralized and other myths


Thanks for sharing the article. After reading it, I am a bit convinced that I might be wrong in believing that Ethereum is decentralized. And yeah a switch towards PoS would worsen it further as it can easily be manipulated when compared to PoW.
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April 21, 2020, 04:55:39 PM
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The fact that Vitalik decided to roll back means he controls ETH and can manipulate ETH which means he is the central authority to this platform. Its been one of the topics being debated long time ago, it's been used to fud ETH as well. But none of it matters if they trust Vitalik with his decision. Whether its centralize or not, the smart contract makes money.

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April 21, 2020, 05:39:38 PM
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ETH is the 2nd largest crypto as per the market capital. Till now, I did not know that once upon a time in 2016, Vitalik Buterin has forked ETH to rollback transactions from DAO hack. I knew from here- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242048.msg54262172#msg54262172
So, if the creator of the ETH can fork the blockchain to reverse or in other words to manipulate the chain, how can it be decentralized?
Share your opinion.
Having control over something and having influence over something two very different things. Vitalik has influence over ETH and if he says something clever, for example like the PoS ethereum 2.0, people do listen, what he has to do to change all of ethereum is just get people to listen to him and follow him, we are all like that, if I want to change something in ETH and people do listen to me and follow me we can change it as well. This is not control, this is basically politics, and I am sorry to say but politics are very important during forks because people decide on which fork to follow depending on whoever is a better politician, every single transaction on the forks are basically votes and whichever fork is voted more will get a lot more attention.

Vitalik is the president of ethereum lets say, but every single move he makes he has to be voted for it, and if he gets the votes he does whatever he wants but that doesn't mean it is centralized at all, people are still deciding it.

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April 21, 2020, 05:46:12 PM
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ETH is purely decentralised and a precious asset in crypto market, and no one believed that suddenly vitalik will sell ETH. And this caused a big fall in the crypto market..

Not only ETH most of the coins alts dropped suddenly and that's why most of them switch to BTC to save their holdings, however just forget about the past and move forward to see a positive trend.

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April 21, 2020, 06:22:26 PM
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yes! eth is decentralized and best asset after btc and eth blockchain is pretty strong and secure.eth price dropped but if you see the overall market you will see whole market falls.

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April 21, 2020, 09:15:31 PM
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I have to agree with bitgolden here. Vitalik succeded to convince the majority to switch to Ethereum and abandon ETC but it doesn't he has an eltimate control over the network. I believe eth community is matture enough and will not follow him if he makes with a bad decision.
What if Roger Ver succeeded to convince the community to switch to BCH? Would we accuse bitcoin of being centralised!?

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April 21, 2020, 09:32:27 PM
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Due to DAO hack Ethereum lost many fans, because one of the biggest blockchain values is the irreversibility of the transaction, which has been refuted. I know, that community agreed on, but, it was a mistake and you can´t change the paradigm of the blockchain, right?


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April 21, 2020, 10:30:58 PM
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Well am still new in this space but with the little understand have gathered I would support the motion that eth is decentralized since every single transaction carried out on the chain is encrypted

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April 21, 2020, 10:39:24 PM
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Yes we all know ETH is one of the second decetralized coins in crypto and would be always a top 2 in the market.
Maybe it should be take time to realize to other altcoins to surpass ETH, But it have some altcoins supass ETH in the top two chart but its only short of time.
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April 21, 2020, 10:51:19 PM
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It was then first to recognize as a decentralized market and it was then changing as the market behaviors change also. To the fact that Vitalik tried to control ETH price, we can't tell anymore that it is still decentralized. Maybe it wasn't Vitalik's urge to have the change but the matter that he announces it, it is clear enough that he was part of the decision and surely there is a reason why it goes like this or they would like to change it as CEX.


Well am still new in this space but with the little understand have gathered I would support the motion that eth is decentralized since every single transaction carried out on the chain is encrypted
I hope you are right but actually, you have something to read about and this possibly will enlighten your understanding towards ETH.


This is a good discussion why we should believe ethereum is not decentralized.

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April 21, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
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You can consider a mid term, not totally decentralized, because Vitalik have a lot of power in ETH of course, and I don't blame him, it's his own coin and at least he try to do his best to improving ETH
And it's a good job, it's the biggest altcoin and have a real use, it works, so there's no problem to ETH


Lol, there should be no middle ground here, it's either Ethereum is decentralised or not.

If we are talking about mining power, how big is the miners involved here? For me Ethereum is pretty much centralised simply because of Vitalik at the helm because of his influence. His every though on let's say the economics and governance of Ethereum has a huge impact on the project itself.

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April 22, 2020, 12:20:54 AM
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Well am still new in this space but with the little understand have gathered I would support the motion that eth is decentralized since every single transaction carried out on the chain is encrypted

Something being encrypted doesn't mean it's decentralized. Your account login credentials on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or Google are encrypted, but those companies are obviously not decentralized. Both words are literally different lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralization
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April 22, 2020, 03:43:41 AM
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Yes we all know ETH is one of the second decetralized coins in crypto and would be always a top 2 in the market.
Maybe it should be take time to realize to other altcoins to surpass ETH, But it have some altcoins supass ETH in the top two chart but its only short of time.
I never think any other altcoin will lead the top second position because Bitcoin and Ethereum is the two eyes of crypto currency so other altcoin will stay in a below range. I hope it take some to surpass the Ethereum but again it will beat the all the time. Nowadays all are busy to tackle the current situation so Crypto is a perfect platform for all kind of situation.

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April 22, 2020, 06:52:56 AM
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I will say Ethereum is not fully decentralized, because the creator still holds a vast amount or rather controls a good amount of the coin but even at that, it still doesn't limit the potential of the blockchain, of which a good number of persons knows that Ethereum is the best altcoin. Till date, the only blockchain I see as being fully decentralized is the Bitcoin blockchain others aren't because the team will always hold a good amount of the coin which gives them power to do many things.
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