Should we adopt Automata World Government

[Adriane14]

I am thinking of a new kind of a government ruled by autonomous super-intelligent Quantum Conscious A.I

As cryptopian anarchic mechanic heads
What do you think of this
Are you in favor of it? Or not? Not sure?

Automata Hive will change how politics works
With this, we can assign trustworthy and maybe the best leaders in the future of a One World Hexagonic System.

[franky1]

government is simply representatives that cover a certain group

senators vote MEANT to resemble the whims of the majority of their jurisdiction/district/state
it was impossible before to get a whole state into a building every day to vote on new laws and new funding requirements for different public services.

however technology can easily make it so that citizens can be more involved to vote for things and laws/funding get accepted or rejected by the peoples choice rather than their representatives choice.

imagine it like signing up to a dating app where you guage your personality
capitalist(business support/gain) 1............10
socialist(citizen support/gain) 1............10
communist(political support/gain) 1............10
personal domestic security 1...........10
national offensive security  1...........10
criminal rehabilitation 1...........10
corporal punishment 1...........10

government can then gauge what the populous actually desire most. and tailor laws/funding more towards those desires

knowing that more people prefer to vote for american idol each year than national elections every 4-5 years. shows that the technology is more available to allow more citizen power in regards to what national laws/funding should do

an AI making decisions is only good if the input it gets gives it a valid reasoning to make valid decisions. so before even contemplating AI its better to get more citizen involvement first

EG there is no need to have a national opinion of capitalism. where it could instead have NY as capitalist(business centric), Florida/new orleans as socialist(social security welfare for the retired/poor/sick). libertarian for the mid states
and communist(political/military) for washington

[squatz1]

government is simply representatives that cover a certain group

senators vote MEANT to resemble the whims of the majority of their jurisdiction/district/state
it was impossible before to get a whole state into a building every day to vote on new laws and new funding requirements for different public services.

however technology can easily make it so that citizens can be more involved to vote for things and laws/funding get accepted or rejected by the peoples choice rather than their representatives choice.

imagine it like signing up to a dating app where you guage your personality
capitalist(business support/gain) 1............10
socialist(citizen support/gain) 1............10
communist(political support/gain) 1............10
personal domestic security 1...........10
national offensive security  1...........10
criminal rehabilitation 1...........10
corporal punishment 1...........10

government can then gauge what the populous actually desire most. and tailor laws/funding more towards those desires

knowing that more people prefer to vote for american idol each year than national elections every 4-5 years. shows that the technology is more available to allow more citizen power in regards to what national laws/funding should do

an AI making decisions is only good if the input it gets gives it a valid reasoning to make valid decisions. so before even contemplating AI its better to get more citizen involvement first

EG there is no need to have a national opinion of capitalism. where it could instead have NY as capitalist(business centric), Florida/new orleans as socialist(social security welfare for the retired/poor/sick). libertarian for the mid states
and communist(political/military) for washington

I mean the problem with making it very simple -- as nothing in this world is this simple. You can't just go out and say that you're a 5 on the scale of criminal rehabilitation because that means different things to different people. I don't think there's a universal stance on what is moderate when it comes to rehabilitation. I'd assume that people on the right would consider rightward leaning things moderate, while people on the left would do the same.

There's no way to automate the governing of people in the way you're thinking about it because at the end of the day most pieces of policy are going to help one group and hurt another group. Who decides what group matters more? Is it just based on the more people that are being hurt or--? How are things like that determined?

What citizens are valued more? Those in the western world or those in a different country? Who decides questions like this?

[franky1]

I mean the problem with making it very simple -- as nothing in this world is this simple. You can't just go out and say that you're a 5 on the scale of criminal rehabilitation because that means different things to different people. I don't think there's a universal stance on what is moderate when it comes to rehabilitation. I'd assume that people on the right would consider rightward leaning things moderate, while people on the left would do the same.

There's no way to automate the governing of people in the way you're thinking about it because at the end of the day most pieces of policy are going to help one group and hurt another group. Who decides what group matters more? Is it just based on the more people that are being hurt or--? How are things like that determined?

What citizens are valued more? Those in the western world or those in a different country? Who decides questions like this?

which is why i gave an example where washington which main employer is political would lean that way. florida is the retirement state so they would sway more socialist. and new york is more business/financial so would sway more capitalist

thus laws become more custom to the region rather than blanket government law where everyone has to sway one way

its not an idea of setting strict laws based on numbers. but just to gauge the mood/tone of how laws should lean
for instance city heavy states would want to be more tough on crime than say laid back country farm states

[Adriane14]

We can just chip humanity and remove the color tailed division of belief just like religions and politics in one stone. Let's say we are now United in belief and dogma so no one can be separated just like in a beehive hexagon shape where we can hold the super autonomous automata system as the basis to all of our actions drive by its fair and just commandment.

We (bees) are all equally dependent on one autonomous government which is the Quantum Conscious A.I Server (Queenbee).

With this type of government, the power of advanced technology will evolve us faster or let's say upgraded us away from the old order of things.

[squatz1]

I mean the problem with making it very simple -- as nothing in this world is this simple. You can't just go out and say that you're a 5 on the scale of criminal rehabilitation because that means different things to different people. I don't think there's a universal stance on what is moderate when it comes to rehabilitation. I'd assume that people on the right would consider rightward leaning things moderate, while people on the left would do the same.

There's no way to automate the governing of people in the way you're thinking about it because at the end of the day most pieces of policy are going to help one group and hurt another group. Who decides what group matters more? Is it just based on the more people that are being hurt or--? How are things like that determined?

What citizens are valued more? Those in the western world or those in a different country? Who decides questions like this?

which is why i gave an example where washington which main employer is political would lean that way. florida is the retirement state so they would sway more socialist. and new york is more business/financial so would sway more capitalist

thus laws become more custom to the region rather than blanket government law where everyone has to sway one way

its not an idea of setting strict laws based on numbers. but just to gauge the mood/tone of how laws should lean
for instance city heavy states would want to be more tough on crime than say laid back country farm states

I mean in the example given it was that this was a automated world government. I know the example wasn't very fleshed out -- BUT -- in the event that there is a world government, I assume that local governments still exist? I assume this is a federalism system like in the US today.

But even in your scenario -- yes the placed that you've listed on average lean that way. But not all of the people support that, it's just what the states are known for right now due to their current business climate and current political structure. I don't agree with the ways you've described the states too:

Florida is the retirement state, no lies there. But Florida is NOT a socialist state by any means. They've got no income tax (which includes capital gains, interest so no state tax on income of any sort), low sales tax/excise taxes, and very low unemployment benefits. Just wanted to point that out.

[franky1]

I don't agree with the ways you've described the states too:

Florida is the retirement state, no lies there. But Florida is NOT a socialist state by any means. They've got no income tax (which includes capital gains, interest so no state tax on income of any sort), low sales tax/excise taxes, and very low unemployment benefits. Just wanted to point that out.

you cant spot if a country/region is communist/capitalist/socialist by the ways people pay in tax..
you spot it more based on what the taxes that are accrued are then spent on

also you keep on mentioning how certain people in an area do not sway with the majority..
and thats the point im raising. take the UK. government is conservative leaning(capitalist). yet each county doesnt get any sway to be more labour(socialist)

however imagine that each country could lean more towards their preferences
people no longer have to move to a whole new country to leave more in their prfenrence. they can move just 50 miles if they end up in a county thats not fit for them.
heck devolved government can the sway more down to the town level.
where town councils either fund homeless shelters if homeless is an issue. or retirement homes if that is an issue

[Sadlife]

Humans hasn't even have a working Artificial Intelligence capable of replicating human behaviour, how much more is super intelligent AI. So this scifi scenario isn't possible as there are many obstacles that needs to be overcome. But for the sake of argument, if we're to be ruled by super intelligent machines then most likely it will lead to dystopia and will be reduced to slaves or worse extinction.

[squatz1]

I don't agree with the ways you've described the states too:

Florida is the retirement state, no lies there. But Florida is NOT a socialist state by any means. They've got no income tax (which includes capital gains, interest so no state tax on income of any sort), low sales tax/excise taxes, and very low unemployment benefits. Just wanted to point that out.

you cant spot if a country/region is communist/capitalist/socialist by the ways people pay in tax..
you spot it more based on what the taxes that are accrued are then spent on

also you keep on mentioning how certain people in an area do not sway with the majority..
and thats the point im raising. take the UK. government is conservative leaning(capitalist). yet each county doesnt get any sway to be more labour(socialist)

however imagine that each country could lean more towards their preferences
people no longer have to move to a whole new country to leave more in their prfenrence. they can move just 50 miles if they end up in a county thats not fit for them.
heck devolved government can the sway more down to the town level.
where town councils either fund homeless shelters if homeless is an issue. or retirement homes if that is an issue

Yet again: The UK government is conservative and righrward leaning for the people of the UK. If you were to take all the same people in the conservative party and bring them over to the US and have them vote here, they'd be considered either left learning moderates or just liberals.

There's no universal way of saying how far right / left one position is, it's a matter of relativity based on what you've experienced. Even based on an average of people, it fully depends on where these people are from.

[franky1]

this topic is suggesting a new way of government.. not explaining how the UK conservatives work now.

again.. last chance to get my point
it is now possible to allow people to show which way the lean, as easily as voting for britains got talent each week or signing up to a dating ap

imagine of the south east(london) are was governed by a devolved district governement that obviously would lean more conservative. due to londons obvious capitalist lifestyle and love of expensive real estate

imagine the south west, known as the retirement destination leaned more towards labour where it had more social care provisions of services and residences ready and available for those in need.

where by london has gun weilding bullet proof vest wearing metropolitan police.
and south west has more laid back 'constables' and community support 'bobbies on the street' without waving guns around
..

now that part has been explained. (hopefully for last time)
o support it with this topic creators AI system. would only work if it has good input data of what the populous want. which requires the populous having the ability to have more choice of what they see happen in thier community. rather than just a single tick box every 4 years

[Adriane14]

Humans hasn't even have a working Artificial Intelligence capable of replicating human behaviour, how much more is super intelligent AI. So this scifi scenario isn't possible as there are many obstacles that needs to be overcome. But for the sake of argument, if we're to be ruled by super intelligent machines then most likely it will lead to dystopia and will be reduced to slaves or worse extinction.

I will try to solve that puzzle I think I already wrote it Here

[BADecker]

The best form of government is family, and voluntary tribalism.     

[Naida_BR]

I am thinking of a new kind of a government ruled by autonomous super-intelligent Quantum Conscious A.I

As cryptopian anarchic mechanic heads
What do you think of this
Are you in favor of it? Or not? Not sure?

Automata Hive will change how politics works
With this, we can assign trustworthy and maybe the best leaders in the future of a One World Hexagonic System.

That's totally not a good idea.
Automated robots that would form a government would need to be programmed. Those who are going to program the robots might have one sided opinions in some topic thus they would make governments based on their own beliefs.

[coolcoinz]

Humans hasn't even have a working Artificial Intelligence capable of replicating human behaviour, how much more is super intelligent AI. So this scifi scenario isn't possible as there are many obstacles that needs to be overcome. But for the sake of argument, if we're to be ruled by super intelligent machines then most likely it will lead to dystopia and will be reduced to slaves or worse extinction.

I will try to solve that puzzle I think I already wrote it Here

Let's try to keep the discussion on this board. Answering via links to your own site is like jumping from one topic to another. Do you expect someone who comes here and reads some your posts to keep opening other sites to look for explanations?
How do you expect all people to agree to value AI's decisions? What about those who will vote or rebel against it? As we all know from history you cannot make a decision that everyone agrees with. We respect some people because of what they did in the past. An AI is a new concept without a history of achievements and respect. Do you want people to obey a soulless construct that they don't trust?

[KingScorpio]

I am thinking of a new kind of a government ruled by autonomous super-intelligent Quantum Conscious A.I

As cryptopian anarchic mechanic heads
What do you think of this
Are you in favor of it? Or not? Not sure?

Automata Hive will change how politics works
With this, we can assign trustworthy and maybe the best leaders in the future of a One World Hexagonic System.

why not just elect a presidents hair and skin color

[madnessteat]

I have a negative attitude towards the government's Artificial Intelligence project. As practice shows, any program can make a critical error that can lead to deplorable results. Besides, it's just stupid to trust a machine to control humanity.

[stabls]

This is not rational at all. It is a bad idea.

Artificial intelligence cannot control and make the right decisions, because artificial intelligence has no soul. Therefore, artificial intelligence will never be better than man.

People must live in peace with each other without any power. The whole modern system is built on violence and power. All this is because people do not have peace inside. When a person has no peace inside, then he has no peace with the world around him.