Should this be allowed?

[webtricksALT]

Wayki Chain Signature Campaign is launched few minutes ago and I noticed weird rules of the campaign. As per the rules, participant has to write 30 posts weekly and only three sub-sections namely, Bitcoin Discussion, Altcoin Discussion and Altcoins (ANN) are allowed.

I am pretty sure that not even a single user exist on this forum whose natural posting habit includes writing 30 posts weekly in these sections.

So all the participants who will join the campaign will be forced posters leading to unnatural posting (or spamming).

Most of the altcoin signature participants spam in one way or the other (I know) but most of them expect only 10-20 posts from participants. 30 is too much and will be easily noticeable like YoBit.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242265.0

What are your views?

[hosseinimr93]

Asking participants to post in certain threads is against the rules. But the rule isn't applied to certain boards as well.
There are campaigns that don't count posts in some boards. But they are actually doing the same thing. Because they are asking people to post in boards other than excluded boards. (The number of included boards in those campaigns is much higher of course).

Any way, in my opinion the forum shouldn't allow the campaign stated in the OP to run. It will certainly lead to spam. But as I said, I don't think it is against the current rules. Perhaps it is needed to add a new rule.

[ChuckBuck]

The number of posts is not a problem, it is not the cause of spam. How a campaign works will depend on its manager, if he does all the work well, chooses the best poster, spam posts will not appear. On the contrary, even if the campaign requires 10 or 20 posts, a non-responsible manager will have a row of spam posts created. The required section too, each campaign has the right to ask for what they want, if you find it difficult to complete their request, just ignore their campaign, only those who are eligible accept. They do not require users to post to their ANN, they do not do prohibited things. They only post their topics in the wrong section 
Although Yobit is bad, I don't think their campaign is bad, they have yahoo62278 there, the quality is checked thoroughly and spammers are always eliminated, there are no obstacles there.

[Plaguedeath]

From what I understand,

30 post for 7 days, so they should create 4-5 post daily to 3 board. If they're using this method I believe they're not spamming or violating forum rules. But the problem is, usually sig-spammer is burst post near the end of weeks to complete the task. They should don't do this to avoid spamming.

I would like to suggest, only 5-6 post is counted on a single day. With this rules they will active and not burst posting.

hosseinimr93 and ChuckBuck suggestion is good too, I'm not against it.

[UserU]

The number of posts is not a problem, it is not the cause of spam. How a campaign works will depend on its manager, if he does all the work well, chooses the best poster, spam posts will not appear. On the contrary, even if the campaign requires 10 or 20 posts, a non-responsible manager will have a row of spam posts created. The required section too, each campaign has the right to ask for what they want, if you find it difficult to complete their request, just ignore their campaign, only those who are eligible accept. They do not require users to post to their ANN, they do not do prohibited things. They only post their topics in the wrong section 
Although Yobit is bad, I don't think their campaign is bad, they have yahoo62278 there, the quality is checked thoroughly and spammers are always eliminated, there are no obstacles there.

There are two sides of the coin. Even there are shitposters in the campaign I'm in despite the extremely lax requirements of 15 posts weekly, no character and subforum limits.

I can imagine the campaign above is gonna have at least 90% spammers. I myself wouldn't suffocate myself having restricted to only 3 subforums.

[khaled0111]

To be honnest, there ara many members who are very active on Altcoins and bitcoin discussion boards and post regularly there.
Personally, I rarely post there and would never join a campaign that requires posting on sections I do not frequent or reply to topics am not interested in.

I don't think there is anything wrong with this campaign. Just keep an eye on the participants and report spammers/abusers to the manager and spam posts to mods.

[NeuroticFish]

and only three sub-sections namely, Bitcoin Discussion, Altcoin Discussion and Altcoins (ANN) are allowed.

The wording is bad and awfully misleading. The users are allowed to post everywhere, just only 3 subs are paid.
I don't find it against the rules. The real problem is that they require minimum 30 posts / week too and the combination of these rules can indeed lead to spam (although the altcoins area already has its fair share of spam).
But this will have to be dealt per user, I think.

[Krislaw]

As a legendary member which the campaign manager is, he is supposed to know that accepting a participant that is incapable of not spamming will lead to burst posting or spamming. If quality posters are accepted into the campaign, then there won't be problem.

yes, sorry.. i ask to moderator to move in right sections

And he doesn't even know how to move topic to the right section. He should know basics like this.

[babo]

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And he doesn't even know how to move topic to the right section. He should know basics like this.

i never write in wrong section... this is the reality
because i never spam since 2012


i talk with wayki chain direction and we decrease weekly posts to 20
because they not love spam and they are serius project

The number of posts is not a problem, it is not the cause of spam. How a campaign works will depend on its manager, if he does all the work well, chooses the best poster, spam posts will not appear. On the contrary, even if the campaign requires 10 or 20 posts, a non-responsible manager will have a row of spam posts created. The required section too, each campaign has the right to ask for what they want, if you find it difficult to complete their request, just ignore their campaign, only those who are eligible accept. They do not require users to post to their ANN, they do not do prohibited things. They only post their topics in the wrong section 
Although Yobit is bad, I don't think their campaign is bad, they have yahoo62278 there, the quality is checked thoroughly and spammers are always eliminated, there are no obstacles there.

I don’t love spammers... if you look at my trustlist you can see I gave many revenge red trusts (true story)

This is my first official signature campaign as a manager.
I don’t think it is a problem if I do a little bit of “learn by doing”.
Bear with me, I know how to how to tame spammers.

[ChuckBuck]

i never write in wrong section... this is the reality

LoL  You posted the topic of the signature campaign in the wrong section 

this is my first official signature campaign like manager.. i dont think is a problem if i can learn how do this

You had been at this forum since 2012 and had a very beautiful operating history, I believe you have enough experience to make this campaign successful. Good luck, and hope you keep everything clean 

[Rikafip]

i talk with wayki chain direction and we decrease weekly posts to 20
because they not love spam and they are serius project

First, good to hear that you managed to talk them into decreasing weekly posts to 20, but I am not so sure about the other part, that they do not like spam. On the contrary, they even hired bumping service to promote their project, and that is worst kind of spam you can get, I reported dozens of their spam posts few months ago, others probably did the same thing as well. You can read more about it in this thread that was started by zasad@
New Shill farm: 11 accounts connected

They kept opening new threads with various news, and sock puppet accounts were promoting them. Most of those ANNs have been reported and deleted. Well, at least they gave up on those bumping services and decided to promote themselves through signature campaign.

[babo]

i don't understand why tell me this story bro'. Cool story, yes.
I agree to SMAS List and i've created API Rest for use it in cool way.

Thank you for your advice.

[YOSHIE]

This is my first official signature campaign as a manager.. I don’t think it is a problem if I can learn how to do this.

@Babo continue ....?

After all you accept limited participants.

Payouts & Positions:

3x Hero/Legendary Members - $40 in Wicc/Week.
6x Sr. Members - $20 in Wicc/Week.
10x Full.Members - $10 in Wicc/Week.

If you choose a professional participant, I'm sure spam won't occur.
Lowest ranking Full member, I am sure the selected participant has experience in forums of 1 or 2 years.

Spam will occur on campaigns that have unlimited participants like Bounty. Continue..!

Oh..yes, @babo why don't you just post a campaign on the service.. you can choose the participants you want...!

Good luck.


Oh, yes, what about the other campaigns and ask for posts in this section;

*You need to make 25 Post in order to get paid and 10 of that post should be on Gambling threads or Gambling Discussion.

[babo]

thank you bro'

I will try hard

I have not asked for compensation for this one-week campaign, my first ever

I want to try and see if I like it and I want to continue. I take example from @hhampuz.

[sheenshane]

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i talk with wayki chain direction and we decrease weekly posts to 20
because they not love spam and they are serius project

That is a good move you have decreased the number of posts in weekly quota but we expect that in these subforums ( Altcoin Discussion - Announcements (Altcoin) - Bitcoin Discussion ) will probably experience spam. You can reduce pam if you will extend the number of subforums that where the post will count, another reason depends on the participants you've selected.

Suggestion, I didn't see in your rules that need to be at least how many characters long that the post considers as a valid post. Just like 75, 150 or 200 long. For sure, it will help also to reduce spam, IMO.

Well good luck to your first campaign that you currently manage.

[hd49728]

- Each user has favorite boards so he does not have a problem to post in his favorite boards.
- 20 posts each week is not a high post quota.
- 3 boards are required as targets are not too little.
- 10 participants are not high number.
- Manager has to do his works to choose good applicants (not shitposters) and has favorite boards matches with one to 3 of those target boards.

I don't see any problem with it if manager do his work well (choosing participants and checking post quality). Let's go babo.

Suggestion, I didn't see in your rules that need to be at least how many characters long that the post considers as a valid post. Just like 75, 150 or 200 long. For sure, it will help also to reduce spam, IMO.

Have that rule or not, it does not a matter because that rule will force posters must expand their posts when they can make a good short post. That's unnecessary.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Lowest ranking Full member, I am sure the selected participant has experience in forums of 1 or 2 years.

The majority of higher ranked accounts are accounts which got there before the merit system was introduced, and so there are still plenty of higher ranked accounts which are owned and operated by spammers. Only a minority of higher ranked accounts have had to consistently make good posts to earn their rank. Since accounts are incredibly rarely (if ever) banned for spamming (provided they don't also break some other rule), even if they are having hundreds of their posts deleted, then this isn't going to change any time soon.

Spam will occur on campaigns that have unlimited participants like Bounty.

Spam can occur on any campaign, regardless of the ranks it accepts or the project it is advertising, if the manager allows it to happen.

[Krislaw]

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And he doesn't even know how to move topic to the right section. He should know basics like this.

i never write in wrong section... this is the reality
because i never spam since 2012


i talk with wayki chain direction and we decrease weekly posts to 20
because they not love spam and they are serius project

I was only pointing out your mistake for not knowing the right section to post on.
And good thing the project already agreed to decrease the post amounts.

[The Cryptovator]

I am pretty sure that not even a single user exist on this forum whose natural posting habit includes writing 30 posts weekly in these sections.

So all the participants who will join the campaign will be forced posters leading to unnatural posting (or spamming).

Your concern is valid. But question is why an company hire a campaign manager rather than run by themselves? Because mostly they aren't familiar with forum culture to assure spam free signature campaign. A manager should choose participants who are familiar with his required board during selection. So it will not lead for obvious spam. For example I have ran multiple campaigns which was required post on gambling section. So simply I ignored applicant who aren't familiar with gambling section and didn't post their regularly. I believe always prevention is better than cure.

Anyway if someone found any spammer on any campaign simply send PM to appropriate manager, so they will able to take action against them. Doesn't necessary to create thread for each case.

[Asuspawer09]

The number of posts is not a problem, it is not the cause of spam. How a campaign works will depend on its manager, if he does all the work well, chooses the best poster, spam posts will not appear. On the contrary, even if the campaign requires 10 or 20 posts, a non-responsible manager will have a row of spam posts created. The required section too, each campaign has the right to ask for what they want, if you find it difficult to complete their request, just ignore their campaign, only those who are eligible accept. They do not require users to post to their ANN, they do not do prohibited things. They only post their topics in the wrong section  
Although Yobit is bad, I don't think their campaign is bad, they have yahoo62278 there, the quality is checked thoroughly and spammers are always eliminated, there are no obstacles there.

Yeah, the problem is participants that is spamming just to complete the required post.

With just my opinion about it required post is not going to be a problem at any campaign since it is not mandatory to joined their campaign so if you have complains about their rules then dont join the campaign end of the story.

I check the link and the required post is change to 20 so i guess problem solved.