Can we trust user that spread false and dangerous news on COVID19?

[noormcs5]

I have noticed that there are some people who continuously and arbitrarily disseminate false information about COVID19 here on Forum.

Like posting a Ponzi/Bitcoin Doubler, I think that they can harms other people, since these discussions are about health... and not just "opinions" like "Pepsi is better Then Coke".
Plus they haven't any basic culture on these argumentation and are just copy/pasting theories without a minimum criteria.

I'm talking about the worst of the worst,  posted on forum without any evidence/logic ... just a few examples....
-COVID19 has pieces of HIV
-5G that spread the virus
-which was created in the USA and then released in China
-ops now has been created in china and then spread to USA
-World Health Organization wants to kidnap people
-"THEY" are going to put the Microchips
-follow "non-scientific/unofficial" health suggestion made by fake doctors
a long long list of crappy arguments....

I wonder, can we trust these people who continually spread false and dangerous news by rejecting any logical explanation?

What do you think?

Where they are getting these information ? Do you think they purposely make such information and spread on the forum ?  NO

The mainstream media is flooded with all such news and if you search the internet you will find every kind of news correct or incorrect. These news will keep on spreading until the correct cause and treatment of covid-19 is determined.

[1715088202]

1715088202

[1715088202]

1715088202

[1715088202]

1715088202

[Kunnu]

We all are aware about the current situation with the help of genuine sources like some major and notable news platforms which is reasonable and trustable so I think those people who are continuously sharing these kind of posts here in this forum should understand this point and must stop doing this.

[bitbollo]

China seems to be forcing 5g on countries in the west.  They freak out and start claiming they will punish those that dont adopt 5g and use their hardware.
.....
I don't see any of those claims conclusively debunked at this time
.....
Created in china, Canada USA?
.....
Listen then go off and research yourself

I Guess that you have done your smart research if you come here in a META thread trying to instill doubts about dangerous theories to the whole community.
Or are you just trolling with such claim? [just as e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9]

Why doctors and researchers should waist their time making USELESS RESEARCH just because some troll/illiterate need to see debunked that "pie can't fly"?

[o_e_l_e_o]

Where are the peer reviewed statistically powerful studies that prove no significant impact upon the immune system?

Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

There is not, and will likely never be, peer reviewed studies of sufficient power to prove 5G does not impact the immune system for the same reason there is not peer reviewed studies of sufficient power proving that humans can't fly, or to use the classical analogy, proving that there is not a china teapot in orbit between the Earth and Mars. If you want to make ridiculous assertions that 5G affects the immune system, or that doctors are trying to microchip the population, or that humans can fly, then the burden of is on you to substantiate that claim, not on anybody else to negate it. You can't just go around throwing out ridiculous conspiracy theories with nothing to back them up and expect sensible people to waste their time debunking each and every one of them, until they get bored of your nonsense and you declare something ridiculous to be true simply because it hasn't been refuted.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


And herein lies the issue with responding to these trolls in P&S. Sensible and educated people like bitbollo can spend endless hours reading journals and articles, reviewing evidence, presenting logical arguments substantiated by facts and evidence, and the conspiracy theorists will ignore it and just throw out some new nonsensical unsubstantiated claim. It truly is a game of pigeon chess.

I would again suggest simply ignoring them. Let them spout their nonsense in their own threads, and created a self moderated thread for when you want to actually discuss a subject properly.

[Mpamaegbu]

I'm talking about the worst of the worst,  posted on forum without any evidence/logic ... just a few examples....
-COVID19 has pieces of HIV
-5G that spread the virus
-which was created in the USA and then released in China
-ops now has been created in china and then spread to USA
-World Health Organization wants to kidnap people
-"THEY" are going to put the Microchips
-follow "non-scientific/unofficial" health suggestion made by fake doctors
a long long list of crappy arguments....

I wonder, can we trust these people who continually spread false and dangerous news by rejecting any logical explanation?

What do you think?

Definitely, I think we can't trust people who post such trash. However, what do you do? Ban them or red paint and tag their accounts? Of course, you can't do that. It's a free speech era. Except we are looking at this from the "No Freedom of Speech" angle of dictatorship. I think theymos runs a democracy here 🙄

[philipma1957]

I am pretty much a skeptic.

The most interesting thing missed everywhere is this

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
... _____________________________________________ Deaths/ 1M pop
New York   293,354   +5,041   22,275   +367   239,861   14,953   1,135   805,350   41,051

The highest death rate is in New York    

no place is worse.

Lets play with this

1135/1000000 = 0.1135% death rate

or 99.8865% are surviving it.

New York gov Andrew Coumo claims

https://time.com/5826686/coronavirus-antibody-tests-new-york/

... A state survey of about 3,000 people found that nearly 14% had antibodies, suggesting they had been exposed to the virus, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said at his daily news briefing. ...

14% is a factor of 7

7 x 0.1135 = .7945 %.      All the numbers are said to be way to high.  but those are the worst numbers anywhere.

0.007945 x 8,000,000,000 = 63,560,000.  that is the maximum world wide possible death amount  and about 635,600,000 may need to go to a hospital.


in 2015 around 57 million died world wide so this disease at its worse may boost deaths. so that the world has a negative growth of humans.

I feel the conspiracy people do not understand why the world's nations are doing a massive lock down when the numbers I have up

63 million are the worst possible.  and the actual pace we are on for all deaths is not reflecting that the covid-19 is going to kill 1 million no less 63 million.

I think nations acting together to lockdown the world's economy has frightened them more then the coved-19


My wife was in hospital with 2x pneumonia in Jan. I was really sick in Jan.  5 of my wife's cousin's have tested positive for covid-19
One was on a ventilator he is off it and getting better.
3 more were in hospital.
1 was not.

We are in NJ, NY, CT tristate which is hit harder than Italy or Spain.  So I know it is a difficult disease.

But conspiracy nuts will have their way with this for years to come unless covid-19 2x comes along making this look like nothing.



Note using worldometer numbers we are on pace for 58.7 million dead of all causes.

Maybe 500,000 to 1,000,000 tops will die from this covid-19

The world's nations are actually cooperating on something so conspiracy theorists are going to be out there.

[shield132]

Real problem is that some people really believe everything that they read, for example this: 5G that spread the virus <-- haha, if we follow that logic, then 3G carries Ebola virus and 4G - swine flu.
Question - "Can we trust users that spread false news" isn't correct because in this case you sound like everything what scientists say is 100% fair and they can't and won't lie. Every opinion is acceptable if it's backed by strong arguments, otherwise - not. Bullshits aren't welcome.
Btw You have always to double check everything, even what your "reputable" news source says.

[philipma1957]

Real problem is that some people really believe everything that they read, for example this: 5G that spread the virus <-- haha, if we follow that logic, then 3G carries Ebola virus and 4G - swine flu.
Question - "Can we trust users that spread false news" isn't correct because in this case you sound like everything what scientists say is 100% fair and they can't and won't lie. Every opinion is acceptable if it's backed by strong arguments, otherwise - not. Bullshits aren't welcome.
Btw You have always to double check everything, even what your "reputable" news source says.

Yeah aluminum in vaccines acts like a antenna and 5g fucks you up. 

Well we have a shit ton more iron in us ie our red blood cells. so if 5g fucked you it would be due to your red blood cells and vaccines would do jack shit.

Since the amount of  aluminum in your body due to anything at all would be 100x less then the  iron in your body.

Iron makes a good antenna it is not used due to rusting and weight.  Although stainless steel car antennas work well and have a lot of iron .

   I know enough about radio theory to know if 5g or 10g or 3g or 69g were to hurt humans it would be due to the iron in red blood cells not the aluminum in vaccines.   BTW I never heard of aluminum in vaccines but even if there is aluminum in your body the danger to radio waves would be due to iron in us as it is the biggest metal by % in our blood. Also you need to be close enough to the source of the 5g and the 5g would need to project a lot of energy to hurt you.

My only concern is 2015 death rate was 57 million. we are on pace for 58.7 million the year.  I would not have thought all the world would shut everything down for the current visible death rates.

[coinlocket$]

1135/1000000 = 0.1135% death rate

or 99.8865% are surviving it.

A small note.

No tests = no virus.
New York has 8.4 million people.

According to https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/ only 890k tests have been done.

Be aware test ≠ people tested, a man can be tested even 4 times to see if he is still positive.


I'm in Italy where the death % is over 13% but this number is not the real one since reliable organizations are saying that we have milions of people infected with the virus but they are symptomless.
If every people will be tested our death% will be probably 2-3% like other countries.

A better situation on the % of death will be discovered in May here in Italy and later probably around the world, they are starting 4 milions of tests on the blood of people to see if they/we have the antibodies and if we have passed the Covid19.

Keep also in mind some countries (AFAIK) don't count on the death count people who died with a heart attack with the COVID19 as a COVID19 death, here in Italy they count everyone with the Virus on the body as COVID-19 Death.


TLDR, the % of death found on paper is not the real one since they test only people with symptoms even multiple times, the real % of death is way lower cause a lot of people are symptomless and not tested.

[philipma1957]

1135/1000000 = 0.1135% death rate

or 99.8865% are surviving it.

A small note.

No tests = no virus.
New York has 8.4 million people.

According to https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/ only 890k tests have been done.

Be aware test ≠ people tested, a man can be tested even 4 times to see if he is still positive.


I'm in Italy where the death % is over 13% but this number is not the real one since reliable organizations are saying that we have milions of people infected with the virus but they are symptomless.
If every people will be tested our death% will be probably 2-3% like other countries.

A better situation on the % of death will be discovered in May here in Italy and later probably around the world, they are starting 4 milions of tests on the blood of people to see if they/we have the antibodies and if we have passed the Covid19.

Keep also in mind some countries (AFAIK) don't count on the death count people who died with a heart attack with the COVID19 as a COVID19 death, here in Italy they count everyone with the Virus on the body as COVID-19 Death.


TLDR, the % of death found on paper is not the real one since they test only people with symptoms even multiple times, the real % of death is way lower cause a lot of people are symptomless and not tested.

yep this is why new york state with 19 million people has the worst death rate.

not italy.

the numbers i am using are deaths per million people.

so new york state is 21000 deaths/ 19 million

that is 1143 per million. no one is worse per million.


italy is 441 dead per million or around 26000 dead.

this is not the infected amount of people it is the dead amount per million. of all  italy’s population. i think 60-63 million.

the point is that the worst rate listed per million is new york state.

and i simply used  the worst rate ( new york state ) and projected it to the entire world.

the to get the numbers in my post.

I know the issue for conspiracy theory is why are all the countries agreeing to shut the world down.

who gets fucked the most?

my theory won’t  be revealed here but it has nothing to do with flat earth 🌍 or 5g or aliens 👽.

[Jet Cash]

100% of people who die have blood in their bodies. Therefore having blood increases the risk of death. There seems to have been a similar consideration with HIV, and the same logic seems to be applied to the current Corona virus.

[snipie]

100% of people who die have blood in their bodies. Therefore having blood increases the risk of death. There seems to have been a similar consideration with HIV, and the same logic seems to be applied to the current Corona virus.

Wait what, I have blood too in my body, am i gonna die?

Every time I discover new awesome theories should we start mass bloodletting sessions or wait the approval of Dr Trump

[COVID-19]

Can you trust me?

Code:

Location       Confirmed  Cases per 1M people    Recovered            Deaths  
Worldwide     2,971,669            382.17          865,733            206,544
Japan            13,441             106.72        2,536                 372
New York        282,143           14,467.67        —                   16,599

Source

In Japan, they don't even have a lock-down. Hello!?

[bitbollo]

Can you trust me?

Japan cannot legally enforce hard lockdowns... and their population has already implemented some measures to avoid the spreading of disease.
I don't want waste time explaining you such things here because it's totally off topic.
Make your own research.

100% of people who die have blood in their bodies. Therefore having blood increases the risk of death. There seems to have been a similar consideration with HIV, and the same logic seems to be applied to the current Corona virus.

I am waiting a reply about your claim about 5g and respiratory disease
Meanwhile, since you like funny off topic argumentation you can make a search about another big issue! WATER!
(Did you think your stomach is stronger than iron?)
https://youtu.be/rDWa4A6NO74

[philipma1957]

Can you trust me?

Code:

Location       Confirmed  Cases per 1M people    Recovered            Deaths  
Worldwide     2,971,669            382.17          865,733            206,544
Japan            13,441             106.72        2,536                 372
New York        282,143           14,467.67        —                   16,599

Source

In Japan, they don't even have a lock-down. Hello!?

well numbers are so fucking all over the place that once again conspiracy nuts have a field day.

You need to look beyond all the numbers and ask who loses the most money on this?

In fact even though Norway Russia USA and Venezuela lose a ton of money on oil (key)

their losses are very small compared to opec countries like Saudi Arabia.

So why is the world locking down people and thus not needing or buying oil?

Well it really hurts Saudi Arabia in the pocket big time.


So even though other oil countries take a hit Saudi Arabia is getting hit really hard in the pocket.

So why do countries with not a lot of cover-19 problems agree to do this?

This is the real question.


reporting is so far apart that conspiracy people will not give this a rest.

[TIDOVEE]

When you say people are spreading false information and you are asking if you are to trust them. Trust for what? And if you trust them, then you join them. Anyone who is not sure of any new should be careful of careless dissemination. Moreso, you are entitled to COVID news yourself. Though even some direct news are doctored, like the number of death cases are usually not accurate but you have to speak on quote not as if you were there always.

[cabron]

Its all just discussions about COVID and what they have found out in some theories on youtube. Those people who spread false info about it doesn't realize its false meaning they belive its true. Just as how media announced it to the public. The bigger problem is the media and youtube videos that tell different things about it but there is the freedom to do it.  Covid is dangerous and I guess that's the bottom line they can all agree.

[BlackFor3st]

I have noticed that there are some people who continuously and arbitrarily disseminate false information about COVID19 here on Forum.

Like posting a Ponzi/Bitcoin Doubler, I think that they can harms other people, since these discussions are about health... and not just "opinions" like "Pepsi is better Then Coke".
Plus they haven't any basic culture on these argumentation and are just copy/pasting theories without a minimum criteria.

I'm talking about the worst of the worst,  posted on forum without any evidence/logic ... just a few examples....
-COVID19 has pieces of HIV
-5G that spread the virus
-which was created in the USA and then released in China
-ops now has been created in china and then spread to USA
-World Health Organization wants to kidnap people
-"THEY" are going to put the Microchips
-follow "non-scientific/unofficial" health suggestion made by fake doctors
a long long list of crappy arguments....

I wonder, can we trust these people who continually spread false and dangerous news by rejecting any logical explanation?

What do you think?

Those are all speculation as they don't have strong evidence to their claim and those people who spread the news can't be considered as trusted not only if they can provide a solid evidence. All the decision will always depend to the reader whether he/she will believe to the news or not.

Every country has the freedom to express their thoughts especially that all the country are experiencing to this virus therefore it is only normal that the affected countries will try to figured out whom to blame to this pandemic and rumors or invalidated information will surely to rise.

[stompix]

~

Hmm, let's check this:

• 5g affects the respiratory tract
• black people are inferior from a virus ressitance point of view but this racist truth is suppressed
• the gubbermint want to prevent people from sunbathing
• the gubbermint is planning on selling solar pills
• stopping vaccinations would stop the death rate
• drinking hot water is better tahn vaccination
• the virus is just a diversion so they reset the debt of their economies
• tylenol is to blame for it

Not bad, not bad, you're quite the challenger for the people OP mentioned.

[Jet Cash]

You've distorted that a bit.

One of the factors leading to severity from the CV infection was reported in the Lancet, and it is recent 'flu vaccination.
The body of evidence from sources other than Big Pharma reports seems to suggest that the damaging side effects from Tylenol are permanent, and it has little benefit.
The hot water logic stems from the fact that viruses die at slightly elevated temperatures, and this is why the body generates fevers - they are part of the natural recovery mechanism.
Infecting someone with an extra disease when the body is fighting an existing one, doesn't seem to be a very intelligent plan to me.
A couple of centuries ago bleeding was the recommended practice for curing many ailments. We don't seem to have moved on from that when we insist on blood thinning via drugs. Maybe they think that social distancing in the blood stream will slow down the virus.
5G seems to be affecting people living in close proximity to the masts. It is not scientific calculations with lots of integration signs, it is just simple observation.