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[TT_Guru]

Quarantine has given table tennis the fame it always deserved
I am Max, aka "TT_Guru" am going to help bettors with the best table tennis selections for maximizing their money

I am new to the forum but some people must know me before who are into the gambling world. Look out for my daily selections

Minimum 100 matches are being played everyday in TT, all you need is just a few wins to make your money grow by a huge figure
My Selections for the day

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KpspaNMC/#match-summary {Varchenko | 2.20 Odds | 16:30 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/bVzZQ5Oj/#match-summary {Smirnov | 2.10 Odds | 17:00 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/EcLXo70G/#match-summary {Trushkin | 2.00 | 18:00 GMT}

>> All matches available on

Sportsbet.io
Stake.com
Bet365
Bwin and more
 
If you are totally new to me I recommend you watch some results before betting on my picks. Thank you

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[BTCLiz]

Do you have any evidence of being profitable in the past?

I mean everybody can claim that she or he is profitable.

So what is your evidence?

[xxjumperxx]

My Selections for the day

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KpspaNMC/#match-summary {Varchenko | 2.20 Odds | 16:30 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/bVzZQ5Oj/#match-summary {Smirnov | 2.10 Odds | 17:00 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/EcLXo70G/#match-summary {Trushkin | 2.00 | 18:00 GMT}

Hi Yohann,

every one of them lost, perfect proof this is you with another alt account here on Bitcointalk =)

Posting "fixed" matches later?

[Hurley27]

Quarantine has given table tennis the fame it always deserved
I am Max, aka "TT_Guru" am going to help bettors with the best table tennis selections for maximizing their money

I am new to the forum but some people must know me before who are into the gambling world. Look out for my daily selections

Minimum 100 matches are being played everyday in TT, all you need is just a few wins to make your money grow by a huge figure
My Selections for the day

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KpspaNMC/#match-summary {Varchenko | 2.20 Odds | 16:30 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/bVzZQ5Oj/#match-summary {Smirnov | 2.10 Odds | 17:00 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/EcLXo70G/#match-summary {Trushkin | 2.00 | 18:00 GMT}

>> All matches available on

Sportsbet.io
Stake.com
Bet365
Bwin and more
 
If you are totally new to me I recommend you watch some results before betting on my picks. Thank you

YohannHermann we know this is your 3rd scout trying to scam. please send me the $51usd you owe in bitcoin for your famous money back offer and I will leave you alone. I advise everyone to stay far away from this person. they have several accounts on this forum where they tip and scam.

[abel1337]

My Selections for the day

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KpspaNMC/#match-summary {Varchenko | 2.20 Odds | 16:30 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/bVzZQ5Oj/#match-summary {Smirnov | 2.10 Odds | 17:00 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/EcLXo70G/#match-summary {Trushkin | 2.00 | 18:00 GMT}

Hi Yohann,

every one of them lost, perfect proof this is you with another alt account here on Bitcointalk =)

Posting "fixed" matches later?

A very good example of not to trust newbie users who post any kind of predictions unless having a good history on predicting. I don't know if someone bets on those predictions but some here know who TT_Guru is and accusing as an alt account.

Somethings really fishy here..

[Saint-loup]

My Selections for the day

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KpspaNMC/#match-summary {Varchenko | 2.20 Odds | 16:30 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/bVzZQ5Oj/#match-summary {Smirnov | 2.10 Odds | 17:00 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/EcLXo70G/#match-summary {Trushkin | 2.00 | 18:00 GMT}

Hi Yohann,

every one of them lost, perfect proof this is you with another alt account here on Bitcointalk =)

Posting "fixed" matches later?

A very good example of not to trust newbie users who post any kind of predictions unless having a good history on predicting. I don't know if someone bets on those predictions but some here know who TT_Guru is and accusing as an alt account.

Somethings really fishy here..

If it's a scam or something fishy it's a very bad strategy because people will see he only posts bad predictions and won't follow his tips.

[Saint-loup]

My Selections for the day

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KpspaNMC/#match-summary {Varchenko | 2.20 Odds | 16:30 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/bVzZQ5Oj/#match-summary {Smirnov | 2.10 Odds | 17:00 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/EcLXo70G/#match-summary {Trushkin | 2.00 | 18:00 GMT}

Hi Yohann,

every one of them lost, perfect proof this is you with another alt account here on Bitcointalk =)

Posting "fixed" matches later?

A very good example of not to trust newbie users who post any kind of predictions unless having a good history on predicting. I don't know if someone bets on those predictions but some here know who TT_Guru is and accusing as an alt account.

Somethings really fishy here..

If it's a scam or something fishy it's a very bad strategy because people will see he only posts bad predictions and won't follow his tips.

The wise followers will ask the proven track record or something alternative in order to be convinced about the profitability of the shared tips. Unless the first-order conditions meet, he is probably a scammer.

I agree with you but I don't understand how he could scam people...
Do you think he knows these players personally and he fixes the matchs?
Do you think he is a bookmaker and he owns a betting platform?

[tyKiwanuka]

I agree with you but I don't understand how he could scam people...
Do you think he knows these players personally and he fixes the matchs?
Do you think he is a bookmaker and he owns a betting platform?

Yohann/Sportify/TT_Guru is basically not scamming people with his "tipster services", because he is not asking about money upfront. What he is trying to do here with multiple accounts, is still fishy, shady, misleading or whatever you want to call it - and it's highly unprofitable to follow his bets. He has proven to be a losing player with dishonest behaviour.

He did scam one of the forums users by not paying a promised refund though: YohannHermann owes $51usd from money back guarantee offers and refuses to pay

I doubt he knows any of these players in person and these matches are not fixed too. Well, they might still be fixed, but Yohann doesn't know in which direction, so it's just wild guesses, hoping to be on the right side and fooling people with a good run.

He isn't a bookmaker nor does he own a betting platform and if he did, I surely wouldn't place my bets there. What is possible otoh, is him publishing these bets here, to get better odds on the opponent and/or producing his own surebets via this method.

So he bets on Player A for 2.10, then comes here and recommends to bet on Player A, claiming this is a fixed match. If lots of people bite, odds for Player B would go up - maybe to 2.10 too - and he has a surebet of 5%.
If he actually wanted to take a punt on Player B, but wants higher odds, he just recommends Player A here as fixed outcome and would place a bet on Player B once the odds have gone up.

[Saint-loup]

I agree with you but I don't understand how he could scam people...
Do you think he knows these players personally and he fixes the matchs?
Do you think he is a bookmaker and he owns a betting platform?

Yohann/Sportify/TT_Guru is basically not scamming people with his "tipster services", because he is not asking about money upfront. What he is trying to do here with multiple accounts, is still fishy, shady, misleading or whatever you want to call it - and it's highly unprofitable to follow his bets. He has proven to be a losing player with dishonest behaviour.

He did scam one of the forums users by not paying a promised refund though: YohannHermann owes $51usd from money back guarantee offers and refuses to pay

I doubt he knows any of these players in person and these matches are not fixed too. Well, they might still be fixed, but Yohann doesn't know in which direction, so it's just wild guesses, hoping to be on the right side and fooling people with a good run.

He isn't a bookmaker nor does he own a betting platform and if he did, I surely wouldn't place my bets there. What is possible otoh, is him publishing these bets here, to get better odds on the opponent and/or producing his own surebets via this method.

So he bets on Player A for 2.10, then comes here and recommends to bet on Player A, claiming this is a fixed match. If lots of people bite, odds for Player B would go up - maybe to 2.10 too - and he has a surebet of 5%.
If he actually wanted to take a punt on Player B, but wants higher odds, he just recommends Player A here as fixed outcome and would place a bet on Player B once the odds have gone up.

Thank you very much for all these clarifications. But the strategy you are referring to only works for mutual bettings.
AFAIK most betting platforms only look at the probability of events to occur to fix the odds and don't rely on the amount of bets : doing that would be dangerous for them because it would allow manipulations of the odds.

[tyKiwanuka]

Thank you very much for all these clarifications. But the strategy you are referring to only works for mutual bettings.
AFAIK most betting platforms only look at the probability of events to occur to fix the odds and don't rely on the amount of bets : doing that would be dangerous for them because it would allow manipulations of the odds.

No, that would be careless The betting people regularly move the odds, even in the big markets; odds go up and down in Champions League as well. The bookmakers don't even necessarily publish odds according to their models, but they put some "human factor" in as well, i.e. they lower odds for outcomes they expect to have a lot of action on (Liverpool, Barca, Real home win).

All the bookmakers care about is a balanced book, since they don't want to bet and/or take any risk themselves. They have their house edge and will win anyway, if they are doing their job. To get a balanced book (=profit, no matter the odds), they have to adjust the odds frequently, to balance the action. If they need action on away win, they will just increase the odds for away win, if they need action on draw, they will increase odds for draw. When the match starts, they already made their profit in a perfect scenario.

One of the biggest bookmakers in the world, Pinnacle, has automated odds adjustment. I was betting a lot of cycling and this is really a small market. Especially with early odds, after each bet you placed, you could see the odds getting adjusted (odds for my selection went down). This way you can of course manipulate the odds a bit, but bookmakers are not dumb and have measures in place. When odds are published for certain events, the betting limits are small. This way the bookmaker is able to get the market sentiment and can adjust their odds, without having lots of action, in terms of money, on one side already. Once the odds have matured, the betting limits are upped, because there is now a clearer picture of what are the "correct" odds. Near kick-off you then have the highest betting limits, because bookmakers are sure about their odds - the market did all the work for them.

In table tennis (small market), you can even move the odds shortly before matches start. People always go crazy about fixed matches and a few k can move the odds to make it a surebet for certain people like OP.

[bitbunnny]

My Selections for the day

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KpspaNMC/#match-summary {Varchenko | 2.20 Odds | 16:30 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/bVzZQ5Oj/#match-summary {Smirnov | 2.10 Odds | 17:00 GMT}
https://www.flashscore.com/match/EcLXo70G/#match-summary {Trushkin | 2.00 | 18:00 GMT}

Hi Yohann,

every one of them lost, perfect proof this is you with another alt account here on Bitcointalk =)

Posting "fixed" matches later?

A very good example of not to trust newbie users who post any kind of predictions unless having a good history on predicting. I don't know if someone bets on those predictions but some here know who TT_Guru is and accusing as an alt account.

Somethings really fishy here..

If it's a scam or something fishy it's a very bad strategy because people will see he only posts bad predictions and won't follow his tips.

It.looks like something fishy but people are so naive and I'm sure there'll be some who will fall for this. People are greedy for money and anyone who promises good winning has potential victims. People do worse things than just following bad tips and rarely learn on their mistakes.

[Saint-loup]

Thank you very much for all these clarifications. But the strategy you are referring to only works for mutual bettings.
AFAIK most betting platforms only look at the probability of events to occur to fix the odds and don't rely on the amount of bets : doing that would be dangerous for them because it would allow manipulations of the odds.

No, that would be careless The betting people regularly move the odds, even in the big markets; odds go up and down in Champions League as well. The bookmakers don't even necessarily publish odds according to their models, but they put some "human factor" in as well, i.e. they lower odds for outcomes they expect to have a lot of action on (Liverpool, Barca, Real home win).

All the bookmakers care about is a balanced book, since they don't want to bet and/or take any risk themselves. They have their house edge and will win anyway, if they are doing their job. To get a balanced book (=profit, no matter the odds), they have to adjust the odds frequently, to balance the action. If they need action on away win, they will just increase the odds for away win, if they need action on draw, they will increase odds for draw. When the match starts, they already made their profit in a perfect scenario.

One of the biggest bookmakers in the world, Pinnacle, has automated odds adjustment. I was betting a lot of cycling and this is really a small market. Especially with early odds, after each bet you placed, you could see the odds getting adjusted (odds for my selection went down). This way you can of course manipulate the odds a bit, but bookmakers are not dumb and have measures in place. When odds are published for certain events, the betting limits are small. This way the bookmaker is able to get the market sentiment and can adjust their odds, without having lots of action, in terms of money, on one side already. Once the odds have matured, the betting limits are upped, because there is now a clearer picture of what are the "correct" odds. Near kick-off you then have the highest betting limits, because bookmakers are sure about their odds - the market did all the work for them.

In table tennis (small market), you can even move the odds shortly before matches start. People always go crazy about fixed matches and a few k can move the odds to make it a surebet for certain people like OP.

Very interesting post you should make a thread on it if you haven't done before. In fact I've read that all big betting platforms directly buy their odds to few specialized compagnies. And that's the reason why you get always almost the same odds on big betting platforms like betclic, bwin, unibet... but it's maybe just some BS.

[tyKiwanuka]

Very interesting post you should make a thread on it if you haven't done before.

I have talked about that already multiple times, in no dedicated thread though Otoh this is pretty common knowledge normally.

In fact I've read that all big betting platforms directly buy their odds to few specialized compagnies. And that's the reason why you get always almost the same odds on big betting platforms like betclic, bwin, unibet... but it's maybe just some BS.

They actually do - maybe doing some adjusments before publishing - but this market moves as a whole and is kind of centralized nowadays. So if there is a lot of action on home win, at some point bookmakers will start to lower the odds for home win. Even a bookmaker that didn't have a lot of action on home win yet, will have to lower their odds, because a) the odds for home win probably have been too high and b) if he sticks to his initial odds, he might leave a surebet on the table (and will have a hard time to balance his book then).

For smaller markets, you can't buy any odds - but you can just copy them. In cycling for example there is Bet365, who are compiling the odds in-house and who are the benchmark for all other bookmakers. They will publish their odds and all other bookmakers just copy them - you won't see any odds before Bet365 has published theirs. The sharper bookmakers like Pinnacle don't copy them instantly though; they wait a bit (some hours), before they copy and publish them. By waiting, they get already more matured odds (less value to be found), because people have already started placing bets at Bet365 and thus the odds have already been adjusted by Bet365.

[Saint-loup]

Very interesting post you should make a thread on it if you haven't done before.

I have talked about that already multiple times, in no dedicated thread though Otoh this is pretty common knowledge normally.

In fact I've read that all big betting platforms directly buy their odds to few specialized compagnies. And that's the reason why you get always almost the same odds on big betting platforms like betclic, bwin, unibet... but it's maybe just some BS.

They actually do - maybe doing some adjusments before publishing - but this market moves as a whole and is kind of centralized nowadays. So if there is a lot of action on home win, at some point bookmakers will start to lower the odds for home win. Even a bookmaker that didn't have a lot of action on home win yet, will have to lower their odds, because a) the odds for home win probably have been too high and b) if he sticks to his initial odds, he might leave a surebet on the table (and will have a hard time to balance his book then).

For smaller markets, you can't buy any odds - but you can just copy them. In cycling for example there is Bet365, who are compiling the odds in-house and who are the benchmark for all other bookmakers. They will publish their odds and all other bookmakers just copy them - you won't see any odds before Bet365 has published theirs. The sharper bookmakers like Pinnacle don't copy them instantly though; they wait a bit (some hours), before they copy and publish them. By waiting, they get already more matured odds (less value to be found), because people have already started placing bets at Bet365 and thus the odds have already been adjusted by Bet365.

Very interesting educated post. I will merit this when I'll get some merits to spend.
BTW tyKiwanuka since you are talking about surebetting, do you think doing it all the time instead of normally betting can be really profitable? (Maybe I should open a thread about that question).

[tyKiwanuka]

BTW tyKiwanuka since you are talking about surebetting, do you think doing it all the time instead of normally betting can be really profitable? (Maybe I should open a thread about that question).

In theory it is VERY profitable, because surebet means you will win no matter the outcome In reality, surebets have their own obstacles, which are not related to the bets itself, but to bookmakers T&C's, limits, supply of accounts, cancellation of bets, account logistics and all those things. I posted a surebet/freebet here.

Feel free to open a thread, it's an interesting topic, but a dying species because of the centralization I mentioned above. In the past you could find surebets giving you 5%-10% on a regular basis. Nowadays 2% is already a big one

[Saint-loup]

BTW tyKiwanuka since you are talking about surebetting, do you think doing it all the time instead of normally betting can be really profitable? (Maybe I should open a thread about that question).

In theory it is VERY profitable, because surebet means you will win no matter the outcome In reality, surebets have their own obstacles, which are not related to the bets itself, but to bookmakers T&C's, limits, supply of accounts, cancellation of bets, account logistics and all those things. I posted a surebet/freebet here.

Feel free to open a thread, it's an interesting topic, but a dying species because of the centralization I mentioned above. In the past you could find surebets giving you 5%-10% on a regular basis. Nowadays 2% is already a big one

I'm sorry but since it's forbidden in my country and our IPs are banned from these platforms, I don't know very well the exchange betting platforms (In fact I'm only able to access them with a VPN and I can't register an account) but there is no interesting surebets there either?

[earnadoge]

Very interesting, who would of thought table tennis will become this hot.  Why not make tips website slap all sorts of sport betting ads everywhere like everyone else does.  A few hundred affiliates on different sites betting on your picks will bring profit and help people or free.

[tyKiwanuka]

I'm sorry but since it's forbidden in my country and our IPs are banned from these platforms, I don't know very well the exchange betting platforms (In fact I'm only able to access them with a VPN and I can't register an account) but there is no interesting surebets there either?

With exchanges and the big asian books there is always a way to register an account and play. This is done via agents and presents a workaround for the bookmakers/exchanges and the punter itself. The bookmakers don't just georestrict certain countries, because they don't like those countries, but because there is some legal concerns. This is probably not interesting for someone who just wants to gamble a bit though. These agents have their websites and you can sign up for accounts there. I am using Bet-Football for example among others.

You can find surebets between exchanges and bookmakers, just like you can find them between different bookmakers (crypto ones incluced). There are dedicates sites for surebets, which I am sure you can find via googling. I am not into surebets - or not actively looking for them - but the odds comparison site I mostly use, has a surebet section too: https://www.oddsportal.com/sure-bets/