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[adamstgBit]

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the topic:
Lets discuses the bitcoin businesses, the good, the bad, the ugly
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There are many businesses out there right now willing to trade all kinds of services and goods for bitcoin, but this is just the beginning! Many entrepreneurs are only now starting to learn about bitcoin. Almost everyday a new bitcoin businesses is lunched, some of them totally unique, and some of them a competitor to existing bitcoin businesses...

Lets talk about:
- Which ones can be trusted
- Which ones to avoid
- Local (Real World) businesses
- Seek peek, of the big time bitcoin businesses under development right now.

your input is appreciated

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[Shuai]

I would love to see an approximate list of the biggest bitcoin accepting businesses, ranked by the amount of their trades done in bitcoin. Also, are there any big bitcoin-unique businesses in addition to SR?

With bitcoin-unique i mean something which business model could not function well without bitcoin.

[adamstgBit]

I would love to see an approximate list of the biggest bitcoin accepting businesses, ranked by the amount of their trades done in bitcoin. Also, are there any big bitcoin-unique businesses in addition to SR?

With bitcoin-unique i mean something which business model could not function well without bitcoin.

ya that's what I'm trying to figure out. I don't wana talk about more then two items pre Category. I don't want to go on the air and simply list all bitcoin businesses.

so far i got these notes:

Which ones can be trusted:
  - Alpaca socks - we'll talk about what a gr8 thing bitcoin is for small business
  - Bitcoinclassifieds.net - using btcrow - for escrow

Which ones to avoid
  - e-Wallet services !  (we'll talk about Mybitcoin)

Local (Real World) businesses
   - Meze Grill
   - edle-welten.de

Seek peek
 -bitcoin.com
 - www.iforgetTheURL.com  - will be lunching with 1,000,000 products

[BTCurious]

- edle-welten.de

Interesting… they are currently actually cheaper in bitcoin than in euros.

[adamstgBit]

- edle-welten.de

Interesting… they are currently actually cheaper in bitcoin than in euros.

i had not noticed.. definitely worth mentioning

why do you think that is?

[grubles]

Looks like we are going to go live once again!

So, there is going to be another show devoted to Bitcoin again? I'm not sure exactly what you mean.

[FreeMoney]

Poker. You might mention that Seals With Cubs is agorist online poker, not really possible before bitcoin.

[adamstgBit]

Poker. You might mention that Seals With Cubs is agorist online poker, not really possible before bitcoin.

Interesting! not really possible before bitcoin. is what we like to hear

not sure what you mean tho, isn't there many online poker sites?
please explain, what is agorist online poker, why is it not really possible before bitcoin.

[adamstgBit]

Looks like we are going to go live once again!

So, there is going to be another show devoted to Bitcoin again? I'm not sure exactly what you mean.

it will not be devoted to bitcoin, but it we'll be on the show.

go to https://www.freetalklive.com/ on the left hand site find "Top Published" - Lets discuses the bitcoin businesses, the good, the bad, the ugly
at first it was under "Best Upcoming" but people voted it up - looks like the listener at free talk live want to hear more about bitcoin 

[FreeMoney]

Poker. You might mention that Seals With Cubs is agorist online poker, not really possible before bitcoin.

Interesting! not really possible before bitcoin. is what we like to hear

not sure what you mean tho, isn't there many online poker sites?
please explain, what is agorist online poker, why is it not really possible before bitcoin.

Agorist means business without permission. If you want to accept dollars for a gambling business you can be stopped as soon as regulations change or start being enforced. The main danger in ignoring these regulations is the choke-point of banks. Using Bitcoin we can securely hold players funds and pay them quickly regardless of any third-party opinions or regulations.

I forget that some may not be aware of the recent online poker developments. The major rooms had their funds seized until they stopped serving US players. Any remaining rooms serving the US have very slow cashouts, 1-2 months from what I hear.

[BitcoinBug]

Seek peek
 - www.iforgetTheURL.com  - will be lunching with 1,000,000 products

http://www.bitcoindeals.com/

[adamstgBit]

Poker. You might mention that Seals With Cubs is agorist online poker, not really possible before bitcoin.

Interesting! not really possible before bitcoin. is what we like to hear

not sure what you mean tho, isn't there many online poker sites?
please explain, what is agorist online poker, why is it not really possible before bitcoin.

Agorist means business without permission. If you want to accept dollars for a gambling business you can be stopped as soon as regulations change or start being enforced. The main danger in ignoring these regulations is the choke-point of banks. Using Bitcoin we can securely hold players funds and pay them quickly regardless of any third-party opinions or regulations.

I forget that some may not be aware of the recent online poker developments. The major rooms had their funds seized until they stopped serving US players. Any remaining rooms serving the US have very slow cashouts, 1-2 months from what I hear.

perfect, i will defiantly talk about this

Seek peek - www.iforgetTheURL.com  - will be lunching with 1,000,000 products

http://www.bitcoindeals.com/

Thank you

[evoorhees]

Which ones to avoid
  - e-Wallet services !  (we'll talk about Mybitcoin)

There is no reason to "avoid all ewallet services."  Instawallet has been amazing, reliable, and innovative. BTCinch.com is also really good, and I know the guys who run it personally - they will not be scamming anyone. Flexcoin has also been around quite a while without problems.

With ewallets, people just need to be careful and understand that they're trusting a 3rd party. For small amounts, the ease of ewallets generally outweighs the security concerns. For large amounts, ewallets are probably not prudent.

[adamstgBit]

Which ones to avoid
  - e-Wallet services !  (we'll talk about Mybitcoin)

There is no reason to "avoid all ewallet services."  Instawallet has been amazing, reliable, and innovative. BTCinch.com is also really good, and I know the guys who run it personally - they will not be scamming anyone. Flexcoin has also been around quite a while without problems.

With ewallets, people just need to be careful and understand that they're trusting a 3rd party. For small amounts, the ease of ewallets generally outweighs the security concerns. For large amounts, ewallets are probably not prudent.

Mybitcoin was amazing, reliable, and innovative. but they got hacked.

why is Instawallet  or BTCinch any different?

[netrin]

Mybitcoin was amazing, reliable, and innovative. but they got hacked.

why is Instawallet  or BTCinch any different?

You can ask the same of all the exchanges. At some point, one must trust. And that, to me, is what bitcoin is all about.

[edd]

Which ones to avoid
  - e-Wallet services !  (we'll talk about Mybitcoin)

There is no reason to "avoid all ewallet services."  Instawallet has been amazing, reliable, and innovative. BTCinch.com is also really good, and I know the guys who run it personally - they will not be scamming anyone. Flexcoin has also been around quite a while without problems.

With ewallets, people just need to be careful and understand that they're trusting a 3rd party. For small amounts, the ease of ewallets generally outweighs the security concerns. For large amounts, ewallets are probably not prudent.

Mybitcoin was amazing, reliable, and innovative. but they got hacked.

why is Instawallet  or BTCinch any different?

Mybitcoin.com was also run by anonymous parties who couldn't be found once bitcoins started disappearing. As a matter of fact, many had difficulty finding ways to communicate with them even before that incident.

At least in the case of BTCinch, I can also say that I know the identities and have been in contact with several individuals running that particular service.

[MemoryDealers]

Mybitcoin was amazing, reliable, and innovative. but they got hacked.

Mybitcoin was not hacked,  they planned to steal everyones money from day one.

I strongly suspect Mybitcoin was not hacked, I think they planned to steal everyones money from day one.

[julz]

Mybitcoin was amazing, reliable, and innovative. but they got hacked.

Mybitcoin was not hacked,  they planned to steal everyones money from day one.

Roger, I generally love your work - but that's an unfounded claim.
It might be reasonable for you to harbour that as a personal suspicion, and it may even be true - but it's not reasonable to peddle it as fact.

edit: Whether hacked or not - the mybitcoin case serves as an interesting warning about doing business with an anonymous entity, even if it had a good reputation/rating.

[FreeMoney]

Mybitcoin was amazing, reliable, and innovative. but they got hacked.

Mybitcoin was not hacked,  they planned to steal everyones money from day one.

Roger, I generally love your work - but that's an unfounded claim.
It might be reasonable for you to harbour that as a personal suspicion, and it may even be true - but it's not reasonable to peddle it as fact.

edit: Whether hacked or not - the mybitcoin case serves as an interesting warning about doing business with an anonymous entity, even if it had a good reputation/rating.

I don't know what happened, but I really doubt they planned to steal from the beginning. When they opened all the coins in existance were worth one big pizza party. Anyone making bitcoin services back then was in it for personal/ideological reasons. It was a crime of opportunity imo.

I think the main lesson is that people holding tons of money better be making tons themselves. I feel pretty good about Gox because they make 1000BTC some days. Tom had big responsibility, almost no pay, and huge temptation.

[FlipPro]

I would love to see an approximate list of the biggest bitcoin accepting businesses, ranked by the amount of their trades done in bitcoin. Also, are there any big bitcoin-unique businesses in addition to SR?

With bitcoin-unique i mean something which business model could not function well without bitcoin.

ya that's what I'm trying to figure out. I don't wana talk about more then two items pre Category. I don't want to go on the air and simply list all bitcoin businesses.

so far i got these notes:

Which ones can be trusted:
  - Alpaca socks - we'll talk about what a gr8 thing bitcoin is for small business
  - Bitcoinclassifieds.net - using btcrow - for escrow

Which ones to avoid
  - e-Wallet services !  (we'll talk about Mybitcoin)

Local (Real World) businesses
   - Meze Grill
   - edle-welten.de

Seek peek
 -bitcoin.com
 - www.iforgetTheURL.com  - will be lunching with 1,000,000 products

If you can could you please plug http://bitcoincloset.com for Bitcoin related gear. Thanks.