🍀 Default Trust Oylamalarına Nasıl Katılabilirim? 🍀 Bu Neden Önemlidir ?

[gospodin]

Theymos , gospodine ditrust vurmuş neden la bizim gosponun ne alıp veremediği olur gospodinle 

ben theymos'a distrust verdim hocam. sebebi ise ortada dt ile ilgili bir sorun var. karşı taraf haklı ya da biz haklıyız demiyorum belli ki bir karmaşa/kaos var ve forum yetkilisi olarak bir güncelleme ya da açıklama yapılmıyor. sadece aylık olarak dt1 güncel listesi yayınlanıyor. iki tarafın da birbirini yemesini bekliyorlar. kaba bir tabirle de "iti ite kırdırıyor."

not: globalde açıklama yaptıysa daha önce bilemem.

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[Kalemder]

Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Oysa söylenecek şey basit: Trust eklemekte disttrust eklemekte kişisel bir hak. Bu hakkı kullandığım için bana negatif bırakmaları yanlış idi. Bakınız laukun ekiller kullanıcısına bıraktığı negatife. Diyor ki "disttrust hakkımı kullandığım için ekiller vana negatif bıraktı" eee babuş sende aynısınu kalemdere yaptın. Yetmedi, kin ve nefretle bitcointurk ve diğerlerine negatif yazdın. Yani eleştirdiğin şeyi kendin yapıyorsun.

Theymos Gerektiğinde açıklama yapıyorsa, net konuşarak meseleleri çözmeli. Gospodin tepkisi yerinde. Bütün bunları ingilizce yazmak bir kaç saatimi alır her neyse pazardayım hava sıcak...

Bu arada forumun ikinci yöneticisi Cobra'nın Trust sistemi ve laukanın oyunları hakkında yorumları çok değerli. Bu kişi ve çevresindeki kişiler sistemi suistimal ediyorlar:

I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good, it should be removed IMO. The amount of people I get direct messaging me on Twitter complaining how they stopped using this forum because of issues around trust is noticeable, or ranting about Lauda. I don't think these people are necessarily scammers either.

Better to just remove it. I'm sure the overall happiness of the community would go way up. Let people figure out for themselves if someone or a business is trustworthy, as they do on the rest of the internet. It's a noble idea but it just builds resentment among members which might actually lead to more shady and dubious behavior. Mobs going around bullying members with trust scores is shady activity. Feels like more people complain about getting their trust fucked with and characters like Lauda than they do about scams here.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness. Just by using this site, all of you are implicitly trusting me, but that isn't reflected at all in my trust score, in fact I probably seem less trustworthy on first observation than some actual shady people on here. There's so much angst with the whole system, maybe there's a way to make it work better, and tweaking it could eventually lead to that, but for now it just looks like something that's dividing the community.

[amishmanish]

I know there are very strong opinions about Lauda and the others here. I am no spokesperson for Lauda but I have been asked why i trust them. My reason for trust is that they have been consistent in coming down heavily on forum abuse related to account manipulation, alt-accounts etc. This was due to the significant damage that was going on during the time of bounty abuse in the 2017 ICO craze. Over the years they have grown a very low tolerance to these penny scams where people invite a bunch of other people to post on this forum and they all together see it as an earning opportunity, enrolling in multiple bounties and pyramid posting.

That used to happen a lot and people like Lauda, Pharamacist, Hilariousetc spent much time and effort in tagging such accounts. This was before scam-and spam busting became a favorite activity for people here. These earlier incidents created a strong bias amongst what you refer as the "DT clique" for any activity that reeks of such "common socialized efforts". They actively tagged such farming accounts and this brought these people a lot of bad publicity and reputation threads. Most of them stopped doing it very publicly. Lauda is the only one that still sticks to the same principles and i respect that despite their terse and sarcastic language at times. I also participated in a signature campaign for a few weeks ran by Lauda when i was just a full member and never had any problems in receiving timely updates as well as the BTC. So I have my reasons from trusting them. They have been through a lot of drama but the thousands of accounts tagged by them during the bounty-hunting, shitposting days should not come back.

Lauda and the others have said again and again that they are not "Anti-Turkish". Nobody on the forum has any problem with the land of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and you should just give up that portrayal. In the recent CM posts, Lauda said stuff like "Turkish baboons" (Does Turkey even has baboons?? They are found in Africa i think. I saw some in a zoo in Sudan once). which is bad. I don't support such language in the name of fighting scam/ spam. Yet, I think for the best posters, it won't be a problem getting into CM or any other campaign. People respect the fact that Lauda has spent so much time fighting spam accounts but nobody agrees 100% to what they say. People judge based on their own experience. It won't be coloring anyones judgement as there are a lot of good users out there. My only request was, no matter how you see this whole episode, you should avoid making it about identity politics or nationalism, that too just because of one person. As far as getting over any "DT gangs" someone thinks are being unjust, the post from Bthd reflects my opinion.

Bundan sonra da böyle olacak. Biz bu sistemi zaten tamamen doğru kullandığımızda ve sistem yaygınlaştığında içerideki çetelerin hepsi zamanla yok olacak. Bu yüzden trust sistemine gerçekten inanan insanların sadece yargılarına gerçekten güvendiği kişileri listelerine eklemesi bizi gerçekten olduğumuz gibi gösterir, haklı olduğumuz konularda haksız konuma düşürmez.

English translation as i read it:

From now it is happening like this. When we use this system completely correctly and the system becomes widespread, the gangs inside will all disappear over time. Therefore, the fact that people who truly believe in the trust system only add the people they trust in their judgment to the list shows us as we really are, and does not make us unfair about what we are right about.

There are claims that Lauda's judgement cannot be trusted. if an unbiased user has any such references towards their scamming (not retaliatory trust), many people will happily go and see it. Distrust based on hurt feelings due to the sarcasm or emotional calls to racism because the merit-farming, bounty hunting circle of relatives/ friends was not looked upon kindly, is not objective. My trust is for the consistent and principled approach towards spamming, alt-account and merit abuse. As far as DT1, tussles are concerned, I prefer not to judge them (the ones between Ognasty/ QS etc) because i wasn't there earlier. Though i prefer going with the impression that QS had plenty of alt-accounts once (The reference of NLP on their profile is interesting and fascinating). Even then those people too are burying the hatchet now. Hence, as @Bthd said, correct use of trust will set things right automatically.

[gospodin]

I know there are very strong opinions about Lauda and the others here. I am no spokesperson for Lauda but I have been asked why i trust them. My reason for trust is that they have been consistent in coming down heavily on forum abuse related to account manipulation, alt-accounts etc. This was due to the significant damage that was going on during the time of bounty abuse in the 2017 ICO craze. Over the years they have grown a very low tolerance to these penny scams where people invite a bunch of other people to post on this forum and they all together see it as an earning opportunity, enrolling in multiple bounties and pyramid posting.

That used to happen a lot and people like Lauda, Pharamacist, Hilariousetc spent much time and effort in tagging such accounts. This was before scam-and spam busting became a favorite activity for people here. These earlier incidents created a strong bias amongst what you refer as the "DT clique" for any activity that reeks of such "common socialized efforts". They actively tagged such farming accounts and this brought these people a lot of bad publicity and reputation threads. Most of them stopped doing it very publicly. Lauda is the only one that still sticks to the same principles and i respect that despite their terse and sarcastic language at times. I also participated in a signature campaign for a few weeks ran by Lauda when i was just a full member and never had any problems in receiving timely updates as well as the BTC. So I have my reasons from trusting them. They have been through a lot of drama but the thousands of accounts tagged by them during the bounty-hunting, shitposting days should not come back.

Lauda and the others have said again and again that they are not "Anti-Turkish". Nobody on the forum has any problem with the land of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and you should just give up that portrayal. In the recent CM posts, Lauda said stuff like "Turkish baboons" (Does Turkey even has baboons?? They are found in Africa i think. I saw some in a zoo in Sudan once). which is bad. I don't support such language in the name of fighting scam/ spam. Yet, I think for the best posters, it won't be a problem getting into CM or any other campaign. People respect the fact that Lauda has spent so much time fighting spam accounts but nobody agrees 100% to what they say. People judge based on their own experience. It won't be coloring anyones judgement as there are a lot of good users out there. My only request was, no matter how you see this whole episode, you should avoid making it about identity politics or nationalism, that too just because of one person. As far as getting over any "DT gangs" someone thinks are being unjust, the post from Bthd reflects my opinion.

Bundan sonra da böyle olacak. Biz bu sistemi zaten tamamen doğru kullandığımızda ve sistem yaygınlaştığında içerideki çetelerin hepsi zamanla yok olacak. Bu yüzden trust sistemine gerçekten inanan insanların sadece yargılarına gerçekten güvendiği kişileri listelerine eklemesi bizi gerçekten olduğumuz gibi gösterir, haklı olduğumuz konularda haksız konuma düşürmez.

English translation as i read it:

From now it is happening like this. When we use this system completely correctly and the system becomes widespread, the gangs inside will all disappear over time. Therefore, the fact that people who truly believe in the trust system only add the people they trust in their judgment to the list shows us as we really are, and does not make us unfair about what we are right about.

There are claims that Lauda's judgement cannot be trusted. if an unbiased user has any such references towards their scamming (not retaliatory trust), many people will happily go and see it. Distrust based on hurt feelings due to the sarcasm or emotional calls to racism because the merit-farming, bounty hunting circle of relatives/ friends was not looked upon kindly, is not objective. My trust is for the consistent and principled approach towards spamming, alt-account and merit abuse. As far as DT1, tussles are concerned, I prefer not to judge them (the ones between Ognasty/ QS etc) because i wasn't there earlier. Though i prefer going with the impression that QS had plenty of alt-accounts once (The reference of NLP on their profile is interesting and fascinating). Even then those people too are burying the hatchet now. Hence, as @Bthd said, correct use of trust will set things right automatically.

translate kullanıp türkçe yazmanızı tavsiye ederim. nasıl ki forumun ingilizce kısmında türkçe yazmamıza izin vermiyor burada da böyle yapalım:) yorumunuz için teşekkür ederim. görmezden geldiğiniz bir kısım var: burada bulunan üyeler de scam projeleri ortaya çıkarmak için uğraşıyor, insanlara bilgiler veriyor. bu işi tek bir kişi yapmıyor. tamam, globaldeki gelişmelerden öğrenmiş olabiliriz ama bunu görmezden gelmeyin.

en basitinden sadece benim yazdığım 3-5 başlık:

bakın Burası Çok Önemli: % 100 Yerli ve Milli Scam Projelerimiz
Bakın Burası Çok Önemli: % 100 Yerli ve Milli Scam Projelerimiz - 2
GOOREO--TÜRK+ARAP İŞ BİRLİĞİ--SCAM MI DEĞİL Mİ?
Altına Dayalı ilk Yerli kripto para "Almeela" Nedir? (listelendiği borsa kalmamış.)
Mydexpay midir nedir?
mydexpay2
WAVE - waveplatform.io
Re: WAVE
SmartMixer-Scam Dikkatli Olun
Aphelion Scam Çıkmış Ya La!!!


sadece benim yazdıklarımdan birkaçı. diğer türk arkadaşların yazdıklarına da bakabilirsiniz. ülkemizde bulunan bir sürü dolandırıcı borsa var. bunlar hakkında hanginiz bu topluluğu bilgilendirdiniz?

mesela merit ticareti yapıyorlar diyorlar. ben türkçe yazdığım için bana kim merit verebilir? globalden kaç kişi benim yazıma baktı translate ile? ciddi olarak soruyorum buna cevap verebilir misiniz? tefas fonları: 16 adet merit almış ve burada yazan yazı türkiye dışından birisini ilgilendirmiyor. bu konuya başka kim merit verebilir?
bakın türkiye'de kripto para ile ilgili çok fazla dolandırıcılık olayları oluyor. özellikle ponzi/piramit kazanç yöntemi ile her gün birisi ortaya çıkıyor. bu kişilere karşı burada kim yazmalı? ben bıktım artık bu dt olayından. herkes beni distrust listesine eklesin.

multi hesap konusunda haklısınız. ben 2017 yılının sonunda üye olduğum için yeni sayılırım. eski dönemlerde 10-20-50 hesabı olanlar varmış herhangi bir kazanç elde etmiyorlarsa, trolluk yapılmıyotsa bence normal. çünkü ülkemizde istediğiniz fikirleri açıkça söyleyemiyoruz. sosyal medyaya bile yakında kimlik numaramızla girmek zorunda kalacağız.

son olarak kimse MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK'e laf edemez! "neden türkler bu kadar hassas?" diye soran olacaklara kısa bir özet: osmanlı devleti zamanında "türk" diye bir kavram yoktu. hepimiz padişahın kuluyduk. (köle amk) birinci dünya savaşı öncesi artan milliyetçilik akımıyla "türk" benliği yeniden ortaya çıktı. ve ülkemiz son halini aldı. eskiden kul, ümmet iken şimdi türk adı altında bir araya geldik. ben türküm diyen herkes bizim için türk'tür. japon, afgan, amerikalı fark etmez.
150 sene önce dedem çiftçi iken torunu şu an ülkenin en iyi üniversitesinde okuyup mühendis olabiliyor. kadınlara verilen haklar için tarih kitaplarına bakabilirsiniz.

neyse, yazınız için teşekkür ederim. yukarıda sorduğum sorular size değil.

edit: bir şey yapılmak isteniyorsa agresiflikle bu iş çözülmez. bir araya gelip fikir alış verişiyle sakince yapılmalı.

"yurtta sulh, cihanda sulh!"

[Bthd]

...

I'm going to write in Turkish cause writing in English is too hard for me.

Olayların sizin açınızdan nasıl göründüğünün farkındayım ancak ıskaladığınız noktalar var. Benim geçmişte bir şeyleri doğru yapmış olmam bugün de kesin doğru yaptığım anlamına gelmez. Geçmiş yanlışlarım için de aynı kural geçerli ve bunlar Lauda için de geçerli. Lauda kesinlikle şu anki trust sistemine güvenmiyor. Neye kızgın olduğunu yada buna neyin sebep olduğunu bilmiyorum. Fakat kuralları sevmediği insanlara karşı silah gibi kullanıyor. Bu belki de bahsettiğiniz 2017 dönemi olaylarının bir yansımasıdır. İnsanlara öncelikle nötr yaklaşamıyor. Genellikle şöyle çalışıyor, fikrine katılmayan insanların başka küçük bir hatasını bulmaya çalışıyor ve buradan diğer fikrinde de haklı olduğu gibi saçma bir çıkarıma ulaşıyor.

İngilizce dilini çok iyi kullanmayan çoğu kişi için bu forumun kurallarını ve trust sisteminin yapısını %100 anlamak gerçekten zor. İnsanlar her zaman doğrularının yanında küçük hatalar yapabilir, bu onları kötü ve dışlanması gereken kişiler yapmaz. Aynı şey Lauda için de geçerli tüm kararları %100 doğru değil. Siz bu güne kadar Lauda'ya karşı oluşan güven duygunuzdan dolayı çok fazla fark etmeyebilirsiniz. Ancak bazen gerçekten kurallar sadece insanları yok etmek için varmış gibi davranıyor ve gerçekte olduğundan daha ağır suçlayıcı kararlar veriyor. Bu davranış biçimi insanlara haksızlığa uğradığını hissettiriyor.

Aslında burada gerçek anlamda sizin düşündüğünüz kadar büyük bir gruplaşma yada oluşum yok. Lauda tarafından haksızlığa uğradığını düşünen insanlar doğal olarak Lauda'ya karşı bir tepki oluşturuyor (bu tepkilerin bir kısmının biçimi bence yanlış) ve bir grup gibi görünmüş oluyorlar. Buradaki temel sebep insanların kendisini güvende hissetmemesi ve haksız bir saldırıya uğrayacak olmalarından korkmalarıdır.

Örnekle açıklamak daha yararlı olacak.

Bir kurt grubu yavrularını doyurabilmek için bir bizon yavrusuna saldırır, aslında amacı kendi açısından iyidir. Saldırıyı gören bizonlar saldırının etkisiyle bir süre sonra yavruyu kurtarmak için ekip haline gelirler. Onlar da kendi açısından doğru bir amaçla bir araya gelirler. Burada her iki tarafta suçlu yada yanlış değildir. Fakat kurdun artık doymak için değil de başka sebeplerle saldırdığını hissederseniz ne olur ? Bizonları dışarıya kapalı çok daha sert bir grup haline getirmiş olursunuz. Sonrasında kurdun bizonları grup olmakla suçlaması komik olmaz mı ? Lauda, wolwoo yada ben kim olduğundan bağımsız olarak trust sisteminin yanlış kullanımı yanlış sonuçlar doğurur.

Muhtemelen sizinle forum kuralları ve trust sistemi hakkındaki düşüncelerimiz benzer. Fakat sadece farklı pencerelerden olaylara bakıyoruz. Hepimiz ön yargılarımızı ve geçmiş öğrenmelerimizi bir kenara bırakıp ortak bir pencereden olaylara bakabildiğimizde burası daha güzel bir yer olacak.

Not: Bu arada, hiç bir şey Lauda'nın kısa süre içerisinde 20'den fazla kez "Turkish Monkey" kelimelerini kullanmasını haklı göstermez. Bunu İngilizler, İtalyanlar yada başka her hangi bir millet için de söylemiş olsa aynı tepkiyi hak eder ve yaptığı yanlıştır. Ben sert bir milliyetçi değilim yada bu sözleri bana karşı kullanmadı fakat hiç bir milletin adı maymun kelimesiyle yan yana getirilmemeli.

[Vispilio]

~~~ whitewashing, straw men & black propaganda galore as is typical from this NPC user... ~~~
 

Beyler bu troll'e cevap vermeye değmez aslında, biri emir vermiş git yolsuzlukları savun diye o da maaşlı eleman olarak görevini yapıyor,

@bonesjonesreturns aşağıda cevapların nirvanasını yapıştırmış zaten bu düzenbazların avukatına, oradan takip edebilirsiniz mevzuların aslını...


ps. just the fact that genuinely insightful users like bonesjonesreturns have to hide behind alternate aliases to speak the truth on this forum,

while terrorists like ~lauda manage to sustain artificially net positive DT trust sheets, is all the evidence you need that this forum is broken,

Meanwhile more and more people seem to believe that Blockstream just wants to keep it that way in an attempt to silence all crypto competition with its paid trolls that have taken over Bitcointalk

[Çeviri]: Giderek artan sayıda kripto sever forumun bu geldiği rezil noktanın Blockstream şirketinin kripto dünyasındaki rakiplerini susturmak için maaşlı trollerini forumda çalıştırmasından kaynaklandığını düşünüyor, bilgilerinize.


son zamanların en büyük gazetecilik başarılarından biri kabul edilebilecek şu video da bence konuyla ilgili bazı gerçeklere ışık tutuyor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcvX0P1b5g&t=2s

Many of your points are clearly bogus.
There is observably a merit cycling self appointing DT that colluded to maintain grasp over lucrative rev streams here

Please stop pretending it is not there for anyone to observe

Or do you expect us to believe these peoples top merit fans and recipients are all stacked with each other, they all include each other on DT and mostly exclude the same group and most are on the highest paying sig campaigns.

I don't think there is a racial motive for excluding Turkish members but simply the current colluding group fear the cohesion of the turkish community.

There is no good reason to exclude some of the better turkish posters. I certainly would not accept they are less trustworthy than the likes of marlboroza , thepharmacist or any other of these willful scammer supporters.
There are some very undeniably greedy members on chipmixer.

I would suggest doing more research you are only new here young grasshopper.

Never seek to label important truths as drama. That is untrustworthy.
Never seek to lecture on greed specifically if you wear a gambling sig.

[Blacknavy]

Meanwhile more and more people seem to believe that Blockstream just wants to keep it that way to silence all crypto competition with its paid trolls that have taken over Bitcointalk

[Çeviri]: Giderek artan sayıda kripto sever forumun bu geldiği rezil noktanın Blockstream şirketinin kripto dünyasındaki rakiplerini susturmak için maaşlı trollerini forumda çalıştırmasından kaynaklandığını düşünüyor, bilgilerinize.

Blockstream denen şirketin Bitcoin developerleri fonlayıp kendi çatısı altında topladığını ve bir avuç çekirdek geliştirici grubu dışında birçok geliştiricinin dışlandığı ve aykırı fikirlere izin verilmediği biliniyor. Bunlar bir tekel oluşturmuş ve bana da bu teori mantıklı geliyor. Üstelik farkındaysanız BSV ve BCH'in herkes bir altcoin ve bir çöp olduğunu bilmesine rağmen, bu elemanlar en ufak BCH veya BSV yatırımı olanları ya da sadece mesajında bunun adını geçirenleri shilling adı altında negatif trust'a boğuyor. Bunlar çok şüpheli ve ciddiye alınması gereken hareketler, bu konuda bariz bir gruplaşma içerisinde olduklarına dair güçlü kanıtlar/davranışlar var.

İnanın bu yeni bir iddia değil, 2018'de bu iddiaları çok duymuştum. Blockstream'ın arkasında da bankacılar var, parayı onlar finanse ediyor;
AXA Strategic Ventures
AXA Group'un CEO'su Bilderberg
aha bu da kaymak: https://www.axavp.com/avp/blockstream/

2020 iddiası vs değil bu, bizim uydurduğumuz falan da yok Google'ye yazınca 2018'de bu konu hakkında çokça konuşulduğunu herkes görebilir. Bu tetikçi grubun davranışları baya bir anormal, forumdaki ilk saldırı default trust sistemine girişimizle başladı. Her şey %100 şeffaflıkta olmasına rağmen, public konuşulmasına rağmen atılan iftiraların ve forumun belli bir kesimin elinde kalmasını sağlamaya çalışmalarının başka mantıklı hiçbir açıklaması yok.. İmzaları domine ettikleri kesin, Blockstream meselesi de doğru olabilir aklımızın köşesinde bulunsun.

Not: Bitcoin blok boyutunun yıllardır 1MB'e sınırlandırılması, ölçülebilirlik propagandasından başka bir şey değil.. Hız ve yüksek fee'nin tek sorumlusu BTC'nin gelişimine engel olan Blockstream. Buraya elli tane komplo teorisi yazılabilir ama BTC'nin potansiyelinin sınırlandırılmasının mantıklı bir açıklaması yok.

bunun dışında youtube videosunu izlemenizi tavsiye ederim, daha güzel bilgiler var.

[gospodin]

son zamanların en büyük gazetecilik başarılarından biri kabul edilebilecek şu video da bence konuyla ilgili bazı gerçeklere ışık tutuyor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcvX0P1b5g&t=2s

ohaa hayal kırıklığına uğradım. bu dünya tek geçer türk lirası ve litecoin o zaman arkadaş. yok küresel krizmiş yok kapitalizmin insanları sikmesiymiş diye cırlayıp sonra bu sistemde işleyecek firma kurmak ahaha ne diyeyim lan umarım gerçek çıkmaz. ben hala ordudan yanayım.

İnanın bu yeni bir iddia değil, 2018'de bu iddiaları çok duymuştum. Blockstream'ın arkasında da bankacılar var, parayı onlar finanse ediyor;

ben ilk defa duydum. duymaz olaydım amk!

[wolwoo]

abi bu herif niye gelip gelip yazıyor, Lauda da Blacknavy'nin yazdığını alıp translate etmiş, gözler üzerimizde

not: videoya baktım o da bana baktı

[amishmanish]

abi bu herif niye gelip gelip yazıyor, Lauda da Blacknavy'nin yazdığını alıp translate etmiş, gözler üzerimizde

not: videoya baktım o da bana baktı

Can you please put those dialogs in writing so i can maybe google translate and understand?? I guess it must be something about Lauda's blackops against you people.

[koincik]

abi bu herif niye gelip gelip yazıyor, Lauda da Blacknavy'nin yazdığını alıp translate etmiş, gözler üzerimizde

[...]

Can you please put those dialogs in writing so i can maybe google translate and understand?? I guess it must be something about Lauda's blackops against you people.

SUMMARY: He is mentioning your interest on our local boards. And I think none of us can't understand why are you looking upon us? A member of forum is translating our all important posts here.

And my friend, please can you explain for us why are you really here? We didn't mention or tagged here about you ever.

[amishmanish]

SUMMARY: He is mentioning your interest on our local boards. And I think none of us can't understand why are you looking upon us? A member of forum is translating our all important posts here.

And my friend, please can you explain for us why are you really here? We didn't mention or tagged here about you ever.

Thanks Koincik. I would love to. I have noticed that there have been posts from Visipilio, wolwoo etc that seem to portray two things:
1. Some anti-turkish sentiment in global
2. DT-1 conspiracy involving Lauda etc.

I have no affiliations to any of them. I have explained in my earlier post that why i trust Lauda and why i think they are doing a good job at controlling scams on the forum. In my opinion, every single account on the forum should be an independent,actual thinking member who is interested in bitcoin and should contribute towards bitcoin ecosystem in their own small ways. When people see the forum only as a point of earning money, that defeats the purpose. People make alt-accounts or bring in their friends for bounties and exchange merit so that they can continue farming. When any evidence of such collusion comes to light, people justify it by saying that "we are only doing it to earn honestly". When campaigns like "Yobit" pop up, people post like mad making 20 posts a day to earn money and then go completely silent. I see that as detrimental to the forum as well as to the bitcoin ecosystem in general. People like Lauda actually put the effort to identify such scamming/ spammy accounts. Hence, they have my unstinted support. I am not some highly placed member. I am just some guy who joined the forum in 2017 and have been just trying to actually get involved in BTC in whatever way i can. I DO NOT support Lauda using terms like "Turkish Monkey". If they were a personal friend, i would personally castigate them for it., Yet, freedom of speech and this being internet means I don't gain anything by doing that.

I followed visipilio and wolwoo's post and got to know about the drama that happened with Kalemder selection into Chipmixer. On the face of it, mutual inclusions with TECHSHARE were questioned there and no decent explanation ever came forth at that time. Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.

That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc. This is too much. I think he is misguiding Turkish users for his own rating issues. When in reality, he should be taking it up only with the people those ratings come from.

I have no interest except a certain feeling that the damage to Satoshi's  forum or the damage to BTC is a loss for each and every on of us. We all as individuals have to help and grow the BTC ecosystem. We do it through individual contributions and initiatives, however small they maybe. It may be that i am misunderstanding Visipilio. Maybe some of you know him personally and have traded worth thousands with him and want to trust him. That is completely your own decision. I am not here to persuade anyone to trust lauda, wolwoo, visipilio or anyone. To me, you are all fellow human beings and i am only judging by what i see. I try not to be biased but then we may disagree on what constitutes a meritocracy.

I have to translate posts to answer some of you. I have some free time and I think Visipilio, who is very eloquent is not being fair by trying to propagate such misinformation about DT-cliques or Blockstream conspiracies. This is a disservice and a net negative to the forum. Thus, I just came here. I do have things to do and will stop when I don't have enough time or motivation. Ultimately, its for our Turkish brothers to decide.

[amishmanish]

Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?

[koincik]

Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?

Personally, I do not intend to engage in these unnecessary discussions. Frankly, I am not someone who actively uses the global part of the forum. But it's hard to believe that what's described here and what looks like some "coincidence" is innocent. I just tried to help you about your question.

[Vispilio]

Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?

sorry to tell you, you must be either a naive child or a zombie NPC to be asking such meaningless questions.

Your heroes LoyceV and suchmoon go through every single account that doesn't obey their instructions to find the most fringe reasons to distrust them,

childish frivolous things like: "you added so and so briefly to your trust list back in November 2018; therefore you must be distrusted and expelled from DT1",

while in broad daylight their troll criminal buddies are robbing people of hundreds of thousands of dollars with their nasty propaganda and character assassination hit jobs, and in their case the same petty police force that hunts down every independent member suddenly becomes the most fervent libertarian and anarchist, even giving positive ratings just to keep their criminal buddies on the payroll,

if you see all this disgusting hypocrisy day in day out and don't do anything about it,
you my friend would fit more in a dystopian novel than in an intelligent and free human society, get better & good luck


ps. your further zombie thrall whitewashing and black propaganda will be deleted from now on to save the time and sanity of innocent forum members, so contemplate hard before you start one of your childish rants again...

[Kalemder]

Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?

TECHSHARE, ırkçı öfkeye karşı makul yargılar üretti. Sizin aksinize adil görüşler belirtti. Yazdığı yargıları beğendim. Trust listeme ekledim. Daha doğal ne olabilir? 10 gün sonra sildim. Başkalarını da ekleyip kaldırabilirim.
CM kampanyasına katıldığımda bunu gündeme getirdirdiler. 7 ay sonra! Sadece beni hedef aldı. Tesadüf mü? Tabi ki değil!

Peki sen neden lauda'yı destekliyorsun? Ayrıca avukatı mısın onun? Irkçı öfkeye sahip birisinin yargılarına nasıl güvenebiliyorsun? Senin gibi şüpheli hesaplar ona güveniyor. Sistemi kötüye kullanan birisi o. Bu yüzden DT kara listesine alındı. Bunu bildiğine eminim.

İyilik ile kal.

[muslol67]

SUMMARY: He is mentioning your interest on our local boards. And I think none of us can't understand why are you looking upon us? A member of forum is translating our all important posts here.

And my friend, please can you explain for us why are you really here? We didn't mention or tagged here about you ever.

Thanks Koincik. I would love to. I have noticed that there have been posts from Visipilio, wolwoo etc that seem to portray two things:
1. Some anti-turkish sentiment in global
2. DT-1 conspiracy involving Lauda etc.

I have no affiliations to any of them. I have explained in my earlier post that why i trust Lauda and why i think they are doing a good job at controlling scams on the forum. In my opinion, every single account on the forum should be an independent,actual thinking member who is interested in bitcoin and should contribute towards bitcoin ecosystem in their own small ways. When people see the forum only as a point of earning money, that defeats the purpose. People make alt-accounts or bring in their friends for bounties and exchange merit so that they can continue farming. When any evidence of such collusion comes to light, people justify it by saying that "we are only doing it to earn honestly". When campaigns like "Yobit" pop up, people post like mad making 20 posts a day to earn money and then go completely silent. I see that as detrimental to the forum as well as to the bitcoin ecosystem in general. People like Lauda actually put the effort to identify such scamming/ spammy accounts. Hence, they have my unstinted support. I am not some highly placed member. I am just some guy who joined the forum in 2017 and have been just trying to actually get involved in BTC in whatever way i can. I DO NOT support Lauda using terms like "Turkish Monkey". If they were a personal friend, i would personally castigate them for it., Yet, freedom of speech and this being internet means I don't gain anything by doing that.

I followed visipilio and wolwoo's post and got to know about the drama that happened with Kalemder selection into Chipmixer. On the face of it, mutual inclusions with TECHSHARE were questioned there and no decent explanation ever came forth at that time. Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.

That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc. This is too much. I think he is misguiding Turkish users for his own rating issues. When in reality, he should be taking it up only with the people those ratings come from.

I have no interest except a certain feeling that the damage to Satoshi's  forum or the damage to BTC is a loss for each and every on of us. We all as individuals have to help and grow the BTC ecosystem. We do it through individual contributions and initiatives, however small they maybe. It may be that i am misunderstanding Visipilio. Maybe some of you know him personally and have traded worth thousands with him and want to trust him. That is completely your own decision. I am not here to persuade anyone to trust lauda, wolwoo, visipilio or anyone. To me, you are all fellow human beings and i am only judging by what i see. I try not to be biased but then we may disagree on what constitutes a meritocracy.

I have to translate posts to answer some of you. I have some free time and I think Visipilio, who is very eloquent is not being fair by trying to propagate such misinformation about DT-cliques or Blockstream conspiracies. This is a disservice and a net negative to the forum. Thus, I just came here. I do have things to do and will stop when I don't have enough time or motivation. Ultimately, its for our Turkish brothers to decide.

I'm sorry, but it's hard to be convinced of what you say.

In any case, it is unacceptable to use "ugly" attributes in the style you mentioned above in Lauda or someone else. It is very valuable to have freedom of expression in the forum. But it is not nice to say this to anyone, especially as a matter of race! Also, there can be absolutely no freedom of expression on such a subject! It shouldn't be! Education is a simple and basic thing taught in the first years of our life. Freedom refers to the space to interfere with someone else's personal space! In other words, Lauda violates freedom of expression with that discourse about Turks (I think it contains racism)! And @theymos or any other manager should do something about it! It is unacceptable for everyone to attack each other in a personal or racist way in the forum. Moreover, this reduces the quality of the forum much more than anything else.

It is not forbidden in many of the things you mentioned above and say that Lauda is protecting the forum! But in this process, he sees selfishly the right to intervene in the expression and action of everyone. It has left me negative feedback, meaninglessly only because I support @Vispilio! In this case, you support @Lauda here against us. Does this require me to give you negative feedback? Because I think I can open a flag that talks about the most racist and aggressive person in the forum, a selfish person who doesn't help anyone, and a gang of trust in him. Do you think this would be the right thing to do?

You mentioned multi accounts in your post. I agree with the freedom of expression in the forum. But likewise, having multiple accounts in the forum is not subject to any restrictions! In this case, the "cheap" heroism of Lauda does not help anyone! Merit abuse incident is completely against everyone and if there is 100% proof, it is the responsibility of the forum administration to take the necessary measures in this regard! No one else.

Nobody, including me, understands that you are defending Lauda as a person who has been excluded and declared as an undesirable person by most of the forum. Some of the above discussions already include this. I think you owe us a full explanation about it. Because it is somewhat suspicious that you are coming out of thousands of people in the forum.

I'm asking with a completely friendly approach. Because none of the above explanations satisfy me. Because I did not go as far as to speak in a language I do not know to defend any person before. I have a hard time understanding someone who does this. Please explain to us. Why are you here and why do you really need to defend that unnecessary person?

[Vispilio]

...
Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.

That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc.
...

just for your own education I will respond 1 time to your brainwashed indoctrination,

I was actually congratulated by many people in private for my intellectual comments regarding the entire Yobit affair, go to that accusation thread and read them again, I'm almost certain you also will agree with most of my points.

And yet, at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected (or at the very least always top rival in their perception because of the outstanding quality of my messages and my independent tone in general)...

So please don't try to rewrite history, when the cases of corruption and defamation have been already discussed and proven beyond a shadow of doubt multiple times.

[wolwoo]

Lan bak hala gelmiş onu niye böyle yaptın bunu niye böyle yaptın diye soruyor, buna cesaret edebiliyor. Sana ne birader, isteyen istediği kişiyi ekler çıkarır. Mutual-karşılıklı olup olmaması da seni ilgilendirmez, sen git ağababaların gelsin. Loycev, Lauda, suchmoon, marlboroza, Timelord2067 gelsin siaaa....

[amishmanish]

I'm asking with a completely friendly approach. Because none of the above explanations satisfy me. Because I did not go as far as to speak in a language I do not know to defend any person before. I have a hard time understanding someone who does this. Please explain to us. Why are you here and why do you really need to defend that unnecessary person?

There is confusion that I want to defend Lauda. I have no interest in defending Lauda. I understand you have to translate my answer and meaning can get changed at times. I am here because Visipilio is trying to portray this as a case of some anti-turkish conspiracy by DT-1 members. This is not the right thing to do.

It seems that he has now given up on the narrative of Anti-turkish conspiracy. he still continues about DT-1 conspiracy and now Blockstream conspiracy on which he is free to spread his misinformation. Users are free to judge what is right and what is wrong on that. If you are still suspicious that someone wanted to call out Visipilio's false accusations then I cannot help it. I think he is intentionally poisoning the local environment by saying such things. I wanted to present a different point of view. You should not allow the new people in Turkish section to think that  it is all a conspiracy by blockstream. Blockstream is just another of the many companies involved in sponsoring Bitcoin development.

...
Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.

That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc.
...

just for your own education I will respond 1 time to your brainwashed indoctrination,

I was actually congratulated by many people in private for my intellectual comments regarding the entire Yobit affair, go to that accusation thread and read them again, I'm almost certain you also will agree with most of my points.

And yet, at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected (or at the very least always top rival in their perception because of the outstanding quality of my messages and my independent tone in general)...

So please don't try to rewrite history, when the cases of corruption and defamation have been already discussed and proven beyond a shadow of doubt multiple times.

Visipilio, your accusation and trust on that DT-1 issue was only by Jollygood initially. It wasn't copied or referenced by anyone else. That is just one person. If you are such a great, righteous person as you claim to be, your profile will soon be filled with positive trust from people who have entrusted BTC to you. One negative from Jollygood should not have meant much. Yet, your throwing tantrums against the Chip mixer campaign, then against forum and now this conspiracy theories about blockstream.
How should someone trust your judgement if you can go to such extremes just because of one negative rating? A person may leave you a negative but there will be people who will give you positives too. That is just how it works when you are expressing opinions publicly. Some will agree, some will disagree. Some will leave you ratings. Honestly though, you are free to do what you want. Some people may support you but I will oppose you when i see your actions hurting the forum or BTC in general. That is not cool. If you think and have evidence against Lauda or other DT-1 members then present it and let us change how things are done. Do not use that as a tool to change what this forum is about. It is not just about "lucrative bounties" as you say again and again.

TECHSHARE, ırkçı öfkeye karşı makul yargılar üretti. Sizin aksinize adil görüşler belirtti. Yazdığı yargıları beğendim. Trust listeme ekledim. Daha doğal ne olabilir? 10 gün sonra sildim. Başkalarını da ekleyip kaldırabilirim.
CM kampanyasına katıldığımda bunu gündeme getirdirdiler. 7 ay sonra! Sadece beni hedef aldı. Tesadüf mü? Tabi ki değil!

I think a lot of information gets lost in translation. Getting into CM campaign generally means that the poster is top-quality. I am sure you were too. It is no coincidence that this happened. People tend to dig into the profiles which become popular. They would have also done the same to you. And seen those mutual inclusions and then exclusions. You are right that you should have been free to add or remove whoever you want. Yet, see how things work here. People are being suspicious on me simply because i am trying to counter Visipilio. Don't you think people will be suspicious if they see such trust inclusion and exclusion, that too within 10 days??

I can only say that you should continue contributing in real life too. The trust issue will slowly sort itself out too. Good Luck for that.

Peki sen neden lauda'yı destekliyorsun? Ayrıca avukatı mısın onun? Irkçı öfkeye sahip birisinin yargılarına nasıl güvenebiliyorsun? Senin gibi şüpheli hesaplar ona güveniyor. Sistemi kötüye kullanan birisi o. Bu yüzden DT kara listesine alındı. Bunu bildiğine eminim.

I have explained multiple times that I do not support Lauda's bad words. They shouldn't have used those words. You can very well call Lauda a "White Pig" in reply. On internet, it means nothing. I support her trust ratings against spammers and scammers using the forum to only earn from multiple bounties.

İyilik ile kal.

Of course buddy. Have i said anything to offend you? Maybe it is due to translation.