Greed or Need? What's changed with bitcointalk ?

[bonesjonesreturns]

For many years previously quite a few " legendaries" were happy to contribute without wearing a gambling or mixing sig.

Recently I have noted quite a few of these are  now milking it to the max with both sigs and even deleting their personal avatars they have had for years to milk some extra via their avatars?

What's happening here?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

People enjoy this forum, it’s good to get paid for doing what you enjoy. Most high ranked accounts would still be here, participating on the forum if sigs were banned. They’re not banned though so it makes sense to get paid for posting, no?

Bitcoin has made my life & brought me amounts of money I never dreamed possible, I love this place. I don’t make any apologies for adding a little to my stash every week by wearing a sig though so I guess you can label me greedy (I’d post just as much if there were no sig campaigns regardless).

[Vod]

It's not "greed" when you take what you need to survive.

It's greed when you are set for life, and you still actively work to get as much profit as possible from everyone.  (I don't think sig campaigns are greedy)

I've never needed extra income as I have very few expenses other than food, utilities and property taxes.  But being Legendary does not automatically mean "rich".  

[gentlemand]

I haven't noticed anything different in recent times. I've been a soulless whore since about 2014 ish and have a pretty remarkable haul for the price of my soul, which I was willing to give away for very little anyway.

If I was positioning myself as some sort of authority or 'thought leader' then I might not have done so. But I'm a silly sausage and aspire to nothing more.

And what's so holy about legendaries anyway? They're just creeps who've crept around for longer than others.

[Welsh]

One thing for sure there's always been a certain demographic of the forum that has a vendetta against those that wear signatures under their posts. Now I'm not saying that all signature campaign participants are posting quality content regardless with the fact that they are in a campaign, and I'd expect the opposite is true. Being in a signature campaign likely encourages certain users to contribute more, and make better quality posts, and in my opinion that isn't necessarily a bad thing. 

These signature campaigns are very good money for certain countries, and due to signature campaigns people are able to put food on the tables of their families, and why exactly is that a bad thing. Even for countries such as the UK the money offered on some campaigns can be very enticing, let alone for these poorer regions. I don't see why we should be criticizing anyone that's earning on the forum, as long as they're doing it legitimately, and without abuse then what's exactly the problem?

[mindrust]

For many years previously quite a few " legendaries" were happy to contribute without wearing a gambling or mixing sig.

Recently I have noted quite a few of these are  now milking it to the max with both sigs and even deleting their personal avatars they have had for years to milk some extra via their avatars?

What's happening here?

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This is a bitcoin forum what did you expect? We are all greedy here. If there is money to be made, people will make it. I see nothing wrong with it as long as they don't cheat or produce absolute spam.

If you want information only go read wikipedia.

[Lafu]

CH is just complaining again about Signature Camps and guess it would not take long if he brings up some Usernames for example in his opinion.
Always the same complaining story about Sig. and trust things .
Everybody can wear what he wants on his Account.

When do you get something new ?

Dont feet the Troll again !

[YOSHIE]

It is not 'greed and need' why it can happen because the factor is "The desire of a human being is unlimited".

Absolutely can not hide the name 'desire' condition that causes all these things can not stop while still alive, with this condition makes us want to do everything and push again with social status.
For example: Today on a motorcycle, tomorrow you want to have a car, don't have a helper, maybe tomorrow you want to have a housemaid, have one house, tomorrow you want two houses, and so on.

With demands like that, a person can do anything for a great desire to achieve what he dreams of, to achieve his desires.
Personal avatars can be turned into collateral and replaced with other avatars, personal signatures can be used as guaranteed bets as campaign signatures, in order to achieve wishes.

[pugman]

I will tell you what has changed, back in 2013/14 campaigns were relatively new, and people just started to change their posting habits to fit the criteria of the campaign. What has also changed is that, people lost control over their post quality while in midst of it, and most people just let that happen, either by ignoring it or by gave up reporting posts and left the forum for good.

Also, don't make this a legendary thing, its common for all ranks, just because legendaries get paid more than other ranks, doesn't mean other ranks haven't whore-ified their profile/post quality.

People left because there are noticeably a few good topics here to contribute towards. The idea of topics just keep getting redundant. One person starts a thread regarding merit, 10 others follow. One person creates a thread about fake satoshi, 10 others follow.

It is not gonna change until there is a somewhat rigid moderation system, or good managers for signature campaigns, or if the whole godforsaken Altcoin board is nuked for good.

[Vod]

This is a bitcoin forum what did you expect? We are all greedy here.

Hold on there mindrust.

I've never been greedy.  I bought what I need, and now I work when I want.  Last month I was volunteering in the hospitals here. 

I've never scammed anyone for as much as a satoshi.   Some people get more joy out of helping others. 

[bonesjonesreturns]

So far I see some greedy, some need.
I should have said elder members 2011 -2014 but those I have observed for a while.

I never recall seeing pages stacked filled with banners many 5 or 6 of the same banner per page before.

I suspect that greed must be the core for most here that have been through 2 huge bull runs.

Adding to your stashed is of course denying others with less to add to their non stashes.

I mean if you wear a sig to support projects you are fans of just to support even if no financial reward that is one thing.
But shoving gambling sigs down people's necks if you are just adding to your stash is greed.

Need would be less grotesque.

When did bitcointalk become only a way to milk money from your sigs and avatars ?

Some members have had their personal avatars from day 1 for years? Only now they start up sigs and delete their avatars to milk a bit more from each post??

These are DT members you say?

The greed is showing for many but why now? This was pre corona I noticed a few older legends that had previously not even worn sigs?

Lafu the shill for the scamming exchange you were pushing until the very exit scam please avoid groundless off topic speculation
I have not need to hear why you have gone from pushing scams to gambling I think that is clear you will push anything for some dust.

I am not interested in dirty little peasant plans such as yourself who have always been here just to milk the forum
I mainly interested in members that for years have not been sig spammers that suddenly go full sig and avatar for the highest bidder whores.

We dont need to mention names any observant member knows who they are , if not you won't need to look far.

The greed and the lack of protection ...or to put it a other way the absolute gift of a design to the most greedy and ruthless seems to be irresistible to some now.

Anyway good to see some honest replies.

I don't think you can compare members that have been here since bitcoin was 50 bucks to new members turning up now with bitcoin 10k

I had suspected mostly greed but I will believe Vod when he says it is semi need. It seems remarkable such elders are not immensely rich. Then again vod is admittedly not a sig spammer or it appears greedy from past experience. I don't really seem to know the new vod though but I will still give them the benefit of the doubt for now and believe his words.

Very commendable indeed if you have been helping out at a hospital board politics aside.

[Timmzzy]

For many years previously quite a few " legendaries" were happy to contribute without wearing a gambling or mixing sig.

Recently I have noted quite a few of these are  now milking it to the max with both sigs and even deleting their personal avatars they have had for years to milk some extra via their avatars?

What's happening here?

The greed is likely Much, theymos should look over this and secondly I was even having this suggestions that those legendaries for a long time who definitely have earned so much money should just have a retirement note. Than dragging seat with upcoming members.

[mindrust]

This is a bitcoin forum what did you expect? We are all greedy here.

Hold on there mindrust.

I've never been greedy.  I bought what I need, and now I work when I want.  Last month I was volunteering in the hospitals here.  

I've never scammed anyone for as much as a satoshi.   Some people get more joy out of helping others.  

Being greedy doesn't mean you are also a scammer. I thought I pointed that out in my post. (It is fine as long as you don't cheat or spam)

Being greedy itself is not necessarily a bad thing. That's the system we are living in that taught us it is good to be greedy. That's capitalism is all about.

Bigger, more, latest is always better.

If that wasn't true, then who is buying all these new cars, phones, bigger houses and boats? If we were all spending for the stuff only that we needed (like you) then the capitalism wouldn't exist. (Is this what you want vod?)

Greed is good. Long live capitalism.

[The Cryptovator]

What is need?

need
/niːd/
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verb
1.
require (something) because it is essential or very important rather than just desirable.
2. expressing necessity or obligation.
noun
1.
circumstances in which something is necessary; necessity.
2.
a thing that is wanted or required.

What is greed?

greed
/ɡriːd/
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noun
intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.

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Hope OP know about Greed & Need.

For me I need some passive income that's why I have joined signature. I don't think you should call it greed. I am not doing something extra, as usall I am making post and getting payment for it. It's just not me, whoever wore signature they need money and we have to admit that.

To be honest, signature campaign indirectly helping to forum keep cheerful. I believe there will be less discussion if there is no signature either you may call it spam or whatever. I don't see it's greed any point of view. I am not sure if OP mean it for some specific participants, if so there should appropriate explanation why you think its greed.

[Savemore]

This is a bitcoin forum what did you expect? We are all greedy here.

Hold on there mindrust.

I've never been greedy.  I bought what I need, and now I work when I want.  Last month I was volunteering in the hospitals here.  

I've never scammed anyone for as much as a satoshi.   Some people get more joy out of helping others.  

Being greedy doesn't mean you are also a scammer. I thought I pointed that out in my post. (It is fine as long as you don't cheat or spam)

Being greedy itself is not necessarily a bad thing. That's the system we are living in that taught us it is good to be greedy. That's capitalism is all about.

Bigger, more, latest is always better.

If that wasn't true, then who is buying all these new cars, phones, bigger houses and boats? If we were all spending for the stuff only that we needed (like you) then the capitalism wouldn't exist. (Is this what you want vod?)

Greed is good. Long live capitalism.

Anyway, humans are forever controlled by greed and fear after all. Why I said so? because all of us have desires that we want to achieve and fulfill that can bring joy or enjoyment to us . In terms of fear, we are controlled by fear because we are afraid that we are not going to fulfill our desires. For example, there are members who are in this forum who are afraid to abandon or leave their current sig because they know that they will not earn some btc that can help them to survive. Both greed and emotion are important but we should control it. Having a desires are not a bad thing after all because it is one of the economic engine that help us to be determine and achieve what we want.

[Kunnu]

This should not be an issue they worked hard to achieve the higher ranks in this forum which is absolutely a big advantage for them and now they're making the right use of it according to the situations so I don't think it's about need or greed they're doing the same what lower ranks members are expecting to do in future.

[ChuckBuck]

Well, I'm late here  I don't see any problem if someone wants to earn more money than what they have on this forum  Everyone wants to have more money, we are not all born at the finish line, why don't we try to have more money? Moreover, everyone knows about the impact of the covid-19 pandemic on the economy. Having any extra income is necessary, why bother with it? 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Recently I have noted quite a few of these are  now milking it to the max with both sigs and even deleting their personal avatars they have had for years to milk some extra via their avatars?

Dude, I'm 99.99% sure this mindset was set in motion at the moment signature campaigns were created.

By the way, I admittedly fall into the category of ditching my old avatar for Foxpup's creation--and since I wasn't married to the previous avatar, it's no big deal to me to change it.

OP, I know you know this is a forum about bitcoin and that there are many of us who are passionate about it.  If an opportunity presents itself to get paid for doing something you'd be doing for free anyway, it's a no-brainer.

I think that's probably going to be my last reply to OP, as bonesjonesreturns is obviously an alt account of cryptohunter/TOAA or one of those.  He's just trying to stir up shit as usual.

[ChuckBuck]

I think that's probably going to be my last reply to OP, as bonesjonesreturns is obviously an alt account of cryptohunter/TOAA or one of those.  He's just trying to stir up shit as usual.

Yes, it happens often. Almost every week I see one or two of his posts to complain about this forum, reputation, activities, ... Obviously, it is an alt account created to harass  I really want to know who this guy is behind this curtain  Or this is a fastidious girl so always complain about what she sees on this forum 
One more thing, who is milking with both signatures? I really do not understand the way you present here  Two signature campaigns at the same time or signature and personal text?

[Vod]

Bigger, more, latest is always better.

If that wasn't true, then who is buying all these new cars, phones, bigger houses and boats? If we were all spending for the stuff only that we needed (like you) then the capitalism wouldn't exist. (Is this what you want vod?)

Greed is good. Long live capitalism.

I see your point of view on capitalism, and I understand most people here feel that way.

I think mine has changed from that over the last few years after I received massive support from the health care system I paid about $20/month into since I was out of university. 

A good portion of these purchases you mention are people moving from poverty.  If we take all the toilet paper, they will have none and we have no right to stop them from having what we have.  Just like the fresh water problem I see no solution other than population adjustment.

I would not want to be forced to share my property with fifty immigrants.  Those who work should be rewarded.  But those who steal from those who work should be identified and cast out.  Greedy people are more likely to steal - but that, and the morality of theft in today's world, are a topic for another thread.