Vod sending incompetent trust rating to me and few more legal sellers / buyers!

[SergeJeletski]

Hello,

User Vod wants to help the world again and he tries to ruin now our business / accounts. Though my customers does not care about that -1 trust rating, I do still feel its not right, as I have not ever scammed anyone. Not a single user has complained about me or my accounts. I do always agree escrow service and have used DireWolfM14 escrow service. He escrows the funds always without problems.

There is lot of real scammers, alt account scammers etc. who are scamming users every day and Vod does not red trust them. It does not feel right at all for me.

What to do? Is it normal to leave red trust for honest sellers? Vod left it also to user Cean, Telim, JWick83 and niddss. I have worked with all of them and all of them are legit, atleast as much as I have done co-work with them.

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[DireWolfM14]

Vod is within his rights to leave negative reviews for whatever reason he sees fit.  Reviews are not moderated, and the only recourse you have is convincing him to remove the tag.  

If the community determines that Vod's reviews are unwarranted and inaccurate, then maybe enough DT1 members will exclude him, and his reviews will become "untrusted."  I would venture to guess that will not happen as a result of this situation.  I don't think SES sellers are going to conjure up a lot of sympathy or community support, and Vod's review is actually pretty darn accurate.  The review states that you're scamming Amazon Web Services, and it's true that selling these accounts violates Amazon's terms of service.

[Vod]

What to do? Is it normal to leave red trust for honest sellers? Vod left it also to user Cean, Telim, JWick83 and niddss. I have worked with all of them and all of them are legit, atleast as much as I have done co-work with them.

I don't leave red trust for honest sellers.  I showed you where you were violating terms and instead of discussing it, you chose to attack.  :/

I often give people chances if they realize they were scamming, but you seem to think it's OK if the company is large and rich. 

[PrimeNumber7]

I would not say the OP is scamming Amazon/AWS as it appears he is selling AWS accounts that have high limits to send emails via their “SES” service.

My presumption is that the target market of the OP is spammers and scammers emailing mass spam and/or scam emails.

I am not entirely sure if AWS would be able to secure payment for the SES service the OPs customers would be able to use. If not, the OP would be crossing the line into helping people default on their obligations to AWS in addition to the above, which would be scamming.

I don’t think the OPs business is something that is giving BitcoinTalk a good reputation, nor reflects positively on the forum. I also can’t say I disagree with the concept of giving red tags for the OPs business.

[suchmoon]

I would not say the OP is scamming Amazon/AWS as it appears he is selling AWS accounts that have high limits to send emails via their “SES” service.

Yeah, it's totally fine to steal from Amazon, Bezos is too rich anyway. Next time you see an Amazon package on someone's porch - feel free to help yourself to it.

[NotATether]

Here is a hypothetical scenario how someone could get scammed buying these accounts:

People selling AWS accounts, and azure, and digitalocean, and any other cloud account, implicitly sell the credit card attached to it which they can revoke at any time by filing a fraud complaint to their bank. Then the accounts cannot be billed anymore and are terminated. At least that's how I imagine people are selling these accounts.

So if that happens, the people buying these things lose the accounts they buy which is sufficient to be called a scam and get red tagged over it.

I'm not accusing OP of pulling this trick because I don't know if he in particular did this. I see dozens of accounts like him making AWS and co. account sale threads in the Digital Goods section.

[teeGUMES]

I do always agree escrow service and have used DireWolfM14 escrow service. He escrows the funds always without problems.

Can you explain any further about your relationship here?

The review states that you're scamming Amazon Web Services, and it's true that selling these accounts violates Amazon's terms of service.

Also DireWolfM14 you can explain further about this and why you feel you should provide escrow services here? "Allegedly".

[PrimeNumber7]

I would not say the OP is scamming Amazon/AWS as it appears he is selling AWS accounts that have high limits to send emails via their “SES” service.

Yeah, it's totally fine to steal from Amazon, Bezos is too rich anyway. Next time you see an Amazon package on someone's porch - feel free to help yourself to it.

I am not sure if you are trolling, or are unable to read:

I am not entirely sure if AWS would be able to secure payment for the SES service the OPs customers would be able to use. If not, the OP would be crossing the line into helping people default on their obligations to AWS in addition to the above, which would be scamming.

[DireWolfM14]

Also DireWolfM14 you can explain further about this and why you feel you should provide escrow services here? "Allegedly".

It's not alleged, I did provide escrow for several of these transactions.  If you're asking me to justify it, I won't because I feel I shouldn't.  I was naive to provide my services for account sales in the first place, and it's not a mistake I intend to continue.

[suchmoon]

I am not sure if you are trolling, or are unable to read:

There is a third option: you have no clue what you're talking about and you're just trying to waffle your way through it.

The scam is not just someone hypothetically defaulting on future obligations, which wouldn't be specific to SES account sales. The scam is also the "method" those account sellers use to obtain the accounts (hacked/fake payments/etc) and to move them from SES sandbox to production mode to get the 50k limit. Because sure as shit they are not using their own personal details, they have to lie to support to get the limits raised, and they can't create those accounts anonymously, otherwise it wouldn't cost $200+.

So yes, they're scamming Amazon.

[Vod]

I am not sure if you are trolling, or are unable to read:

I thought you had stopped trolling? 

[TECSHARE]

Also DireWolfM14 you can explain further about this and why you feel you should provide escrow services here? "Allegedly".

It's not alleged, I did provide escrow for several of these transactions.  If you're asking me to justify it, I won't because I feel I shouldn't.  I was naive to provide my services for account sales in the first place, and it's not a mistake I intend to continue.

Tsk tsk! You are facilitating criminal activity Direpup! People have been flagged and tagged for much less. Good thing you got your special boy pass and your tin of scrotum polish to shield you from the penalties anyone else would be subjected to.

[DireWolfM14]

People have been flagged and tagged for much less.

If you feel I've done something that warrants a tag and flag, then by all means, tag&flag away.

Good thing you got your special boy pass

The ceremony was lovely.  You should have been there, but you weren't invited.

[PrimeNumber7]

I am not sure if you are trolling, or are unable to read:

There is a third option: you have no clue what you're talking about and you're just trying to waffle your way through it.

The scam is not just someone hypothetically defaulting on future obligations, which wouldn't be specific to SES account sales. The scam is also the "method" those account sellers use to obtain the accounts (hacked/fake payments/etc) and to move them from SES sandbox to production mode to get the 50k limit. Because sure as shit they are not using their own personal details, they have to lie to support to get the limits raised, and they can't create those accounts anonymously, otherwise it wouldn't cost $200+.

So yes, they're scamming Amazon.

I have not used Amazon's SES service, but I am a customer of AWS, GCP, and others. I have gotten various limits raised on various cloud platforms, such as GPU, ASIC and notebook limits, and I have never had to do anything more than enable billing (the first time), or occasionally give a one-sentence explanation of what I am working on and an offer to show the repo with my work.

I had also looked at the documentation for increasing SES limits, and I don't see anything about having to provide any kind of personal details. A google search did not yield any results that imply personal information needs to be provided to increase SES sending limits. If you have evidence the accounts being sold are hacked or require verification resembling KYC, I would recommend reporting the threads, and the sellers will be banned.

If you believe fibbing on a form that AWS support might review constitutes a scam, I would suggest moving to about 400 miles south of San Francisco to Los Angelos, where walking on dry sand might get you arrested, but walking on wet sand is okay.

[NotATether]

I had also looked at the documentation for increasing SES limits, and I don't see anything about having to provide any kind of personal details.

Because you don't need to provide personal details to open a support ticket to get an SES limit raise, but to make dozens of AWS accounts to resell you need to provide bogus identities when you create each AWS account.

[suchmoon]

I had also looked at the documentation for increasing SES limits, and I don't see anything about having to provide any kind of personal details. A google search did not yield any results that imply personal information needs to be provided to increase SES sending limits. If you have evidence the accounts being sold are hacked or require verification resembling KYC, I would recommend reporting the threads, and the sellers will be banned.

https://portal.aws.amazon.com/billing/signup#/account


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If you believe fibbing on a form that AWS support might review constitutes a scam, I would suggest moving to about 400 miles south of San Francisco to Los Angelos, where walking on dry sand might get you arrested, but walking on wet sand is okay.

Relevance?

[Golgoth]

I am not sure if you are trolling, or are unable to read:

There is a third option: you have no clue what you're talking about and you're just trying to waffle your way through it.

The scam is not just someone hypothetically defaulting on future obligations, which wouldn't be specific to SES account sales. The scam is also the "method" those account sellers use to obtain the accounts (hacked/fake payments/etc) and to move them from SES sandbox to production mode to get the 50k limit. Because sure as shit they are not using their own personal details, they have to lie to support to get the limits raised, and they can't create those accounts anonymously, otherwise it wouldn't cost $200+.

So yes, they're scamming Amazon.

So you mean his feed back is inaccurate then.

If Vod wants to say this user is scamming Amazon, he must write it explicitly.

But AFAIK he is not a policeman and he doesn't know how SergeJeletski got these accounts.


Moreover you should read another time what a negative feed back is for exactly :

[suchmoon]

If Vod wants to say this user is scamming Amazon, he must write it explicitly.

That's literally what he did.

But AFAIK he is not a policeman and he doesn't know how SergeJeletski got these accounts.

Using the trust system doesn't require one to be a "policeman". If Vod thinks that the OP is high-risk he posts a negative trust rating. If other users think that Vod is wrong more often than not they exclude Vod from their trust lists (or for any other reason - that was just an example).

I don't think Vod is wrong in this case.

[Vod]

But AFAIK he is not a policeman and he doesn't know how SergeJeletski got these accounts.

He told me in PM.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I would not say the OP is scamming Amazon/AWS as it appears he is selling AWS accounts that have high limits to send emails via their “SES” service.

Thanks for the partial explanation of what the problem is--I can't say I understand it fully since I don't deal with those types of digital goods sold here on bitcointalk. 

Funny how OP is upset after Vod left him a neg, but he seems to not care at all about the other negs he got well before Vod's.  Obviously I know why that is, but it tends to detract from OP's credibility in my eyes at least.

So yes, they're scamming Amazon.

In this particular case, I'll take your word for it (and Vod's)--not that it matters in the least to OP, since I'm not one of the ones who gave him negative trust.  And you mentioned that these sorts of shenanigans give bitcointalk a bad name, and I agree with that.