The unfortunate event that is Quarantine.

[figmentofmyass]

This quarantine/outbreak/economic crisis isn't going to last forever, and I don't think it's going to last as long as many people seem to think it's going to.

the quarantine won't last forever. it's already ending.

however, the outbreak and all the social distancing stuff could be with us for years and years. a second wave is expected in the fall or winter. the WHO's chief scientist even thinks it will take 4-5 years to get under control: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/14/coronavirus-who-warns-it-could-take-up-to-5-years-to-control-pandemic.html

that's a realistic timeline for a vaccine too.

with that in mind, i foresee a lengthy economic disruption and some very big changes to the economy too. less physical shopping and entertainment and limited capacity is gonna be really, really hard on the brick and mortar economy. e-commerce behemoths like amazon are gonna continue consolidating market share.

i don't know that we'll have march/april levels of disruption again, but in many ways the damage has been done. the overall long term outlook is pretty worrisome IMO. the fed and other economists are expecting years of slow growth which means unemployment is gonna stay very high.

[shield132]

Apparently due to Quarantine , people are getting jobless ,but then again pause for a minute.
Some well established institutions are able to provide the financial support and they are shifting the jobs online . One should understand that, this is something that only some well off members of the society are enjoying. Unfortunately the people with small jobs are now deemed insignificant and they are sitting at home and hoping for it to end soon ..
This is making the economic gap between the two sections only wider .
Quarantine was not done properly , it is not the solution. People will soon starve and won't be able to pay of bills . With the loans from colleges and schools , kids will be deprived of a good future.
Soon enough if the Quarantine does not end , Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will . Therefore I urge all of you to stay home and practice good hygiene. So that we are able to control the breaking economic crisis which is bigger than the Corona virus.
What are your thoughts ? Please feel free to share.

I agree with you, quarantine isn't a deal that can solve this problem, a virus can't disappear itself and even if similar virus of corona may happen in future, society will have immune system against it. And this virus isn't that deadly after all, it's manipulation with statistics at some point. Some people think that 5-6 person dies in a particular European country while this number thousands daily.

It's easy to type #stayathome on Facebook for those people who have a lot of money or do job online, when their fridge is full, they think other's share the same situation and don't understand how hard life is for a lot of people. Virus may spread from one person to another but hunger - can't. So in overall rich people care about themselves, they say stay at home to take care of me but when they say it, they don't take care of you who needs job and salary to keep alive.

Millions of people were dying because of hunger in 21th century's economics. And imagine how this number grows because of the current situation in a lot of countries, but who publishes statistics of it in live like were doing on coronavirus? No one.
I'm very disaffected by the lies and the politics.

[adzino]

Apparently due to Quarantine , people are getting jobless ,but then again pause for a minute.
Some well established institutions are able to provide the financial support and they are shifting the jobs online . One should understand that, this is something that only some well off members of the society are enjoying. Unfortunately the people with small jobs are now deemed insignificant and they are sitting at home and hoping for it to end soon ..
This is making the economic gap between the two sections only wider .
Quarantine was not done properly , it is not the solution. People will soon starve and won't be able to pay of bills . With the loans from colleges and schools , kids will be deprived of a good future.
Soon enough if the Quarantine does not end , Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will . Therefore I urge all of you to stay home and practice good hygiene. So that we are able to control the breaking economic crisis which is bigger than the Corona virus.
What are your thoughts ? Please feel free to share.

Initially we do need to impose lock down. Should be long enough so that it does not start spreading rapidly. It was made to make sure it does not go beyond our control. Imagine what would have happened if lock down were not imposed. We would just see dead bodies everywhere. If you are trying to say that lock downs shouldn't be imposed because the economy will be destroyed, then you are wrong. No country would put economy before their people.
Though eventually lock downs rules will be bought to an ease. People will start learning to leave with the disease just like it had happened during previous pandemics.

[harizen]

Quarantine was not done properly , it is not the solution. People will soon starve and won't be able to pay of bills . With the loans from colleges and schools , kids will be deprived of a good future.

Wrong. Quarantine and lockdown were done properly. Definitely not a solution but at least it's working.

People will soon starve, who are these? Those who got unemployed? We are not talking about they are jobless for a year so at least they can keep up with the situation for at least half a year, I hope but there is no choice. Look at those beggars, they are jobless for many years prior to the pandemic virus but still can think of a way how to survive a day. I have known some people who are struggling financially right now and it's just 2 months since we put up on quarantine so how can they survive for the next months? Depending on the situation, still, the government is helping us plus and it's not totally zero business here so somehow people can think of a plan on how to make some financial source even how small it is.

Just trust the process and I know all countries in the world are doing the best to ease the spread of the virus.

[TimeTeller]

Quarantine was not done properly , it is not the solution. People will soon starve and won't be able to pay of bills . With the loans from colleges and schools , kids will be deprived of a good future.

Wrong. Quarantine and lockdown were done properly. Definitely not a solution but at least it's working.

People will soon starve, who are these? Those who got unemployed? We are not talking about they are jobless for a year so at least they can keep up with the situation for at least half a year, I hope but there is no choice. Look at those beggars, they are jobless for many years prior to the pandemic virus but still can think of a way how to survive a day. I have known some people who are struggling financially right now and it's just 2 months since we put up on quarantine so how can they survive for the next months? Depending on the situation, still, the government is helping us plus and it's not totally zero business here so somehow people can think of a plan on how to make some financial source even how small it is.

Just trust the process and I know all countries in the world are doing the best to ease the spread of the virus.

Quarantine and lockdown are really needed to fight this pandemic while we are waiting for the cure and medicine.
What the government can do, is to support its constituents as much as possible and know the needs up to the lowest class of their society.
Right now, I am seeing a lot of private individuals reaching out and helping out other people that the government can't afford to help.
Hats off to those individuals who are trying to help others by spending their own money, you can see a lot of that in YT videos.
For those that are still waiting for their government's help, find other options how to earn money or how to get food for your family.

[exstasie]

Quarantine was not done properly , it is not the solution. People will soon starve and won't be able to pay of bills .

Wrong. Quarantine and lockdown were done properly. Definitely not a solution but at least it's working.

People will soon starve, who are these? Those who got unemployed?

The number of people suffering from acute hunger is expected to double this year to 265 million, which is pretty horrific. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/hunger-could-be-more-deadly-than-coronavirus-in-poorer-countries/2020/05/14/32fd3f9a-8bd3-11ea-80df-d24b35a568ae_story.html

In place like India and Africa, most workers are informal workers who live hand to mouth. Without a daily wage, many aren't eating:

These are people who typically “wake up in the morning, go out to look for money for their food and then they come back and eat their meal,” he said at a World Health Organization news briefing last week.

In a recent survey in Africa, 85 percent of those who have been forced to stay home said they are either skipping meals or eating less because of the lockdowns, he said.

For these people, going hungry from lack of income is a bigger danger than the corona virus.

[Darker45]

The great economic divide in society is pretty much present during normal days as during pandemic days. But the chasm is greatly widened by the quarantine. It is a necessary measure nonetheless. It is basically implemented with health safety in mind, but not the economic aspect. There are, however, measures that would also address the economic repercussions of such drastic measure. Is it enough, though? No, I don't think so.

I can only speak of what I have directly observed, and somehow you are right. More than a third of the entire work force here in my country is under the informal economy which is terribly affected by the quarantine. Many of them lost their livelihood as most of them cannot shift to a work-from-home setup. And many of them have not received any assistance from the government.

In a way, my country has already bowed down to the economic pressure brought by this pandemic. We started to strictly implement our own version of lockdown when the confirmed infection was less than 100. A couple of months later, the confirmed infection has already climbed to at least 12,000. But despite that, we have started to ease the lockdown. We have now started to allow these workers to resume their livelihood activities. The economy cannot contain it any longer.

Now these people may not anymore face hunger as in the past weeks but they are facing health risks more than ever. The reality is that the poor can only choose between evils.

[carlisle1]

Apparently due to Quarantine , people are getting jobless ,but then again pause for a minute.
Some well established institutions are able to provide the financial support and they are shifting the jobs online .

Because this is depends on what company we are referring to,imagine a man power company will face this problem,then how can you apply a Homebase work when the job needs physical works?

One should understand that, this is something that only some well off members of the society are enjoying.

meaning of "Well Off MEmbers"?if you are pointing about the big businesses again i will tell you it depends on the nature of company.

Unfortunately the people with small jobs are now deemed insignificant and they are sitting at home and hoping for it to end soon ..

small jobs is not that degradable in this case,because we can at least be skilled to find other jobs maybe offers from the community or even make small business a this are ind emand now

[lienfaye]

Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will .

I remember the words that I often hear to people who belong to lower class. Due to this pandemic the businesses, establishment and company needs to close and stop operating causing many people to stop working. They say they wont die because of the virus, instead they will starve to death, the relief from the government is not enough to feed the people everyday. Good thing the situation here is slowly getting better, workers are now allowed to work because the number of new infected is decreasing which means its somehow under control though the virus is still existing. Hoping they will discover the vaccine so the virus will vanish.

[imstillthebest]

Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will .

I remember the words that I often hear to people who belong to lower class. Due to this pandemic the businesses, establishment and company needs to close and stop operating causing many people to stop working. They say they wont die because of the virus, instead they will starve to death, the relief from the government is not enough to feed the people everyday. Good thing the situation here is slowly getting better, workers are now allowed to work because the number of new infected is decreasing which means its somehow under control though the virus is still existing. Hoping they will discover the vaccine so the virus will vanish.

yes lower class people because they are the ones that are poor and have nothing to eat now but rich people still have some stocks left but lower class people has a wrong reason.  they say covid will kill them and not the hunger but the truth is they will not die even if cant eat for along time while covid is too fatal and can kill you faster than a hunger  . plus governments are still providing relief operations so how can they say they dont have food to eat ? they just only want to continue thier lives normally  in other words

[bitbunnny]

Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will .

I remember the words that I often hear to people who belong to lower class. Due to this pandemic the businesses, establishment and company needs to close and stop operating causing many people to stop working. They say they wont die because of the virus, instead they will starve to death, the relief from the government is not enough to feed the people everyday. Good thing the situation here is slowly getting better, workers are now allowed to work because the number of new infected is decreasing which means its somehow under control though the virus is still existing. Hoping they will discover the vaccine so the virus will vanish.

That is true and now we are having situation that the consequences of quarantine and lockdown will be worse than the consequences of pandemic. Not in medical way, of course, but in.social and financial.
Not that nany business are brought at the edge of existing and so many people will be left unempliyed and poor but many will literary starve.
If this situation repeats in fall like some scientist say I'm not sure how this world will look like. So, yes, vaccine or cure are the only solution but I'm not sure how likely it is for this to happen soon.

[Reatim]

Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will .

I remember the words that I often hear to people who belong to lower class. Due to this pandemic the businesses, establishment and company needs to close and stop operating causing many people to stop working. They say they wont die because of the virus, instead they will starve to death, the relief from the government is not enough to feed the people everyday. Good thing the situation here is slowly getting better, workers are now allowed to work because the number of new infected is decreasing which means its somehow under control though the virus is still existing. Hoping they will discover the vaccine so the virus will vanish.

That is true and now we are having situation that the consequences of quarantine and lockdown will be worse than the consequences of pandemic. Not in medical way, of course, but in.social and financial.
Not that nany business are brought at the edge of existing and so many people will be left unempliyed and poor but many will literary starve.
If this situation repeats in fall like some scientist say I'm not sure how this world will look like. So, yes, vaccine or cure are the only solution but I'm not sure how likely it is for this to happen soon.

And this is the sad but reality that many of people in lower living will be in harm of this situation and  the years to come .

the economy will have to wait for long time to recover from this and that made us all concern because the effect in small business will have effect in bigger also means that is domino effect.

maybe by the end of this month lockdown and quarantine will be end but yet the true effect will start to happen.

[longlivecapitalism]

Apparently due to Quarantine , people are getting jobless ,but then again pause for a minute.
Some well established institutions are able to provide the financial support and they are shifting the jobs online . One should understand that, this is something that only some well off members of the society are enjoying. Unfortunately the people with small jobs are now deemed insignificant and they are sitting at home and hoping for it to end soon ..
This is making the economic gap between the two sections only wider .
Quarantine was not done properly , it is not the solution. People will soon starve and won't be able to pay of bills . With the loans from colleges and schools , kids will be deprived of a good future.
Soon enough if the Quarantine does not end , Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will . Therefore I urge all of you to stay home and practice good hygiene. So that we are able to control the breaking economic crisis which is bigger than the Corona virus.
What are your thoughts ? Please feel free to share.

First of all, not every country has quarantined the same way (some countries didn't even quarantine at all). Therefore, we can't say that it wasn't done properly. Every country applied a different protocol. Second, you can't earn a living if you're dead, which is why quarantine is essential. Most countries don't have the health system to support multiple gravely ill people at the same time, which is where the quarantine comes in. No one says it's ideal but it's what you do when you're forced between amputating your hand so the whole body doesn't die. Mostly no one is enjoying this.

This is a worldwide crisis with multiple side effects. There are no magical solutions, just solutions that will help people face the future alive. This is about choosing the lesser of two evils and learning to live with that.

[figmentofmyass]

Second, you can't earn a living if you're dead, which is why quarantine is essential. Most countries don't have the health system to support multiple gravely ill people at the same time, which is where the quarantine comes in. No one says it's ideal but it's what you do when you're forced between amputating your hand so the whole body doesn't die. Mostly no one is enjoying this.

recent antibody studies seem to support that view. take spain for example: https://www.vox.com/2020/5/16/21259492/covid-antibodies-spain-serology-study-coronavirus-immunity

27,563 deaths but only 5% of the population has been infected. at 100% infection, you would then expect ~1.2% of the population (~560k) to die. and i think reasonable people will agree that overwhelming the health care system in that scenario would greatly worsen the death toll, perhaps exponentially so.

sadly we are nowhere near herd immunity. the outbreak we saw is tiny compared to how bad it could have gotten unchecked---or how bad it could still get in a second wave. going forward, quarantines are still the only realistic solution, and i expect we will continue seeing them implemented and relaxed repeatedly for months and probably years to come.

[Latviand]

Apparently due to Quarantine , people are getting jobless ,but then again pause for a minute.
Some well established institutions are able to provide the financial support and they are shifting the jobs online . One should understand that, this is something that only some well off members of the society are enjoying. Unfortunately the people with small jobs are now deemed insignificant and they are sitting at home and hoping for it to end soon ..
This is making the economic gap between the two sections only wider .
Quarantine was not done properly , it is not the solution. People will soon starve and won't be able to pay of bills . With the loans from colleges and schools , kids will be deprived of a good future.
Soon enough if the Quarantine does not end , Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will . Therefore I urge all of you to stay home and practice good hygiene. So that we are able to control the breaking economic crisis which is bigger than the Corona virus.
What are your thoughts ? Please feel free to share.

What do you mean the Corona virus won't kill us? millions have died already.

But government has to weight the risk here, will they allowed to ease quarantine in the next coming days but expect more cases of covid-19 virus increase? And if you are the one who have been affected financially, will you take the risk as well? It's really hard situation for everyone, specially bringing food in the table for our families, but if will be very difficult to sustain your family if you yourself go out and get infected.

Government are responsible for the safety and sustainability of its citizen as this pandemic is continuously on going. It is really hard to see our fellow citizen to experience and suffer especially those people who are poor enough to survive this quarantine. Not all of us can buy goods, can have stable work, and home for the safety and prevention of this pandemic. Some of us are just living in the streets, the beggar, the unfortunate, hopefully  the government do something about this so that the number of people who are suffering could be lessen.

Famine and starving will kill us so the government should do what they should do to serve its people. The community needs their help and they are accountable about the rights of the people, there are a lot of budget that are allocated for this pandemic although there is no precise plan about this. We're all not prepared for this pandemic so we should deal with this until everything goes back to normal.

[freedomgo]

All we can do now is just to pray that this pandemic will be over soon.

We are here already, it's not a dream, it's happening and we have to accept and fight it.
We will survive, just believe, if we can't make money anymore, we have the government to support us as that is their job now.

A lot of business closes at the moment, so it's expected that people will loss their job, but like I said, we will never give up.

[KrisAlex18]

There are many people who are now suffering from this pandemic virus, both infected and non-infected, because of this virus ou government implement community quarantine in different areas to avoid the risk of spreading the virus that is why most of the people now are jobless and they don't know where to get money anymore.

Even though we are at home, there are still some ways for us to earn money, there are many institutions that help us to support our lives during quarantine, there is DSWD, 4'Ps, DOLE, and many other institutions. There are also some people who are hoping for other people by giving relief goods.

But instead of waiting for the reliefs, let us all do some action to make money, there are some online jobs that e can apply to earn money.

[LogitechMouse]

Unfortunately the people with small jobs are now deemed insignificant and they are sitting at home and hoping for it to end soon ..

There is nothing we can do it. They can't work on their home so they have no choice but to stay on their home so that they will not be a burden to their government.
This is their problem already as they don't have any emergency funds. I hope that this will be a lesson for those who are experiencing difficulties right now.

Quarantine was not done properly , it is not the solution. People will soon starve and won't be able to pay of bills . With the loans from colleges and schools , kids will be deprived of a good future.

If you are the President of the country, would you suggest a solution to prevent further spread of the virus. The problem with most people is that they are only criticizing what the government is doing instead of supporting it. You are one of them, you are just criticizing and yet you can't come up with your own solution.

Soon enough if the Quarantine does not end , Corona virus won't kill us , but the economic situation will . Therefore I urge all of you to stay home and practice good hygiene. So that we are able to control the breaking economic crisis which is bigger than the Corona virus.

Some of the countries in the world lifted up the quarantine already but not for some places who have many COVID19 cases. The virus will not kill us if we know how to follow the order of the authority.
Lets stay on our home, follow the guidelines that our government has released. The vaccine is coming already in a few months time.

[wxxyrqa]

It may well be that quarantine in the form that governments in their countries are introducing today is not effective enough to save people and not kill the economy. by and large, isolation is the best way to avoid a large spread of the virus. But in order to introduce such precautions while saving a person and the country's economy, you need to have as much information as possible about the virus and about those people who are at risk. If it would be possible to identify such people who are most likely to be predisposed to a severe form of illness and death, then based on this, restrictions can be introduced for people selectively. How many people can continue to work, while using all the precautions, including personal protective equipment. But I read so much information about the virus, and not a single doctor, professor or scientist gave a concrete answer, which of the people is at risk. The only thing we know To date, the person who has some kind of pathology or severe forms of the disease, when infected with a coronavirus, can die from his own diseases, and not from a coronavirus. coronavirus only complicates the situation, but is not a disease from which they die.

[Reid]

It's better than being dead.
We value life and nothing is more important than that.

What is the use of having a government or economy if there is no one living in it?
We can still get up from all this pandemic and economic fall if there is still life.