Satoshi Nakamoto a.k.a. Glenn M. Lilly (mathematician for the NSA)

[PSCQQSCQQP]

I don’t expect you to keep up, so for those who can, here’s a little more proof... make sure you know how to read before responding about this letter:

https://ibb.co/S3tNbzF

If they didn’t create it, then why is it a secret to answer a simple question... I understand some of you will be in constant denial. And that’s ok, one day you’ll know better.


If they didn’t have any participation in its creation then it wouldn’t be a classified matter... how’s that for a theory.

The message here is that they created it for a reason, and it’s not to do common people any favors.

A typical three letter agency Glomar response ...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_response

"We can neither confirm nor deny that our agency has any records matching your request."

 

Except that is not the response given in the letter...

They clearly stated “is a currently and properly CLASSIFIED MATTER in accordance with Executive order 13526”. That’s obviously different from the one size fits all Glomar response...

I gave the patent and this clear letter showing they had more involvement in it than even Craig Wright can prove, and yet people still aren’t paying any attention to details or clear evidence.

The good saying, “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink” applies here.

[BitcoinFX]

I don’t expect you to keep up, so for those who can, here’s a little more proof... make sure you know how to read before responding about this letter:

https://ibb.co/S3tNbzF

If they didn’t create it, then why is it a secret to answer a simple question... I understand some of you will be in constant denial. And that’s ok, one day you’ll know better.


If they didn’t have any participation in its creation then it wouldn’t be a classified matter... how’s that for a theory.

The message here is that they created it for a reason, and it’s not to do common people any favors.

A typical three letter agency Glomar response ...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_response

"We can neither confirm nor deny that our agency has any records matching your request."

 

Except that is not the response given in the letter...

They clearly stated “is a currently and properly CLASSIFIED MATTER in accordance with Executive order 13526”. That’s obviously different from the one size fits all Glomar response...

I gave the patent and this clear letter showing they had more involvement in it than even Craig Wright can prove, and yet people still aren’t paying any attention to details or clear evidence.

The good saying, “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink” applies here.

The response in the letter is a form of Glomar response and to quote your 'friends' letter ...

"We have determined that the fact of the existence or non-existence of the materials you request is a currently and properly classified matter in accordance with Executive Order 13526 ..."

i.e.

1. The NSA knows who Satoshi is and they are not going to tell you.

2. The NSA don't know who Satoshi is and they are not going to tell you.

3. The NSA is Satoshi and they are still not going to tell you ...

Perhaps your 'friend' might try telephoning the NSA and politely asking the switchboard operator to be put through to Satoshi Nakamoto on Ext. 13526, then when answered try saying "Hey Glenn, hows IT going?" ... If they should ask who's calling tell them your Kevin Mitnick. *Satire*

 

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The Broken - Episode 3
- https://youtu.be/rcWByfwkf4k?t=899

[iTradeChips]

Wondering though why are there's a lot of thread as of late, pertaining to Satoshi. Where is the new wave coming from and who are the people behind this? Are there people out there trying to destroy Satoshi and his creation? I have my hunch or who are those individuals, but I will keep it to myself. For me, Satoshi has long been gone from the scene and he/she/they chooses to remain like that. And one one to really prove if Glenn Lilly is Satoshi is to sign a message to a known bitcoin address of Satoshi and that's it.

Maybe there are this kind of demolition job to discredit Satoshi himself.

Anyways, we have a lot of likely candidates in the past, but we all know that everyone of them is fake and Satoshi is really good at hiding his identify to the world. But I don't think that people are going to rest in the next ten years and giving us supposedly proof who Satoshi is. But then again, this community has heard so much conspiracy pertaining to the real identity that we grew tired of hearing another one.

In my opinion the entire financial institution is basically at war with Cryptocurrencies. I mean many central banks all over the world is giving these establishments a hard time I mean the crypto establishments a hard time with their regulations and laws and anything that would limit movement of the assets. Giving this information really does not help in anyway. Patent expires in 25 years and it would now be free real estate for those who want to emulate Bitcoin. It's not helping all us who use it at all.

[pixie85]

When? 2001. By a mathematician known as Glenn M. Lilly, employed by and under the direction of the NSA.
Why? As a control mechanism to tax, as well as trace each individual with ease.

So a US agency made a payment system available for every person around the world so that it can trace and tax them?

Even if they only cared about US citizens they gave other people around the world a way to transact without the involvement of banks and hide their savings.
Was it a trojan horse for the rest of the world?

What about the people who mined their coins and then transacted with other Bitcoin users? Their identities are not linked to their wallets. Did the NSA forget that the system doesn't work when the ID of a user cannot be associated with a wallet?

[salamat700]

So the saga searching for the real Satoshi Nakamoto continues...and this will never stop as long as there is Bitcoin, I guess. I am not saying that a mathematician named Glenn M. Lilly is not Satoshi Nakamoto but at the same time I, for the time being, prefer to not believe that he is. Claiming is easy these days, you just go to this forum, make an account and then, of course, make a post that you already discovered - finally! - the real guy behind the Satoshi Nakamoto mystery but proving your claim beyond reasonable doubt can be another story. In my humble opinion, I think that it is China that made Bitcoin and not USA -- of course I also don't have verifiable evidence for this claim!

[PSCQQSCQQP]

When? 2001. By a mathematician known as Glenn M. Lilly, employed by and under the direction of the NSA.
Why? As a control mechanism to tax, as well as trace each individual with ease.

So a US agency made a payment system available for every person around the world so that it can trace and tax them?

Even if they only cared about US citizens they gave other people around the world a way to transact without the involvement of banks and hide their savings.
Was it a trojan horse for the rest of the world?

What about the people who mined their coins and then transacted with other Bitcoin users? Their identities are not linked to their wallets. Did the NSA forget that the system doesn't work when the ID of a user cannot be associated with a wallet?

1. That’s what it’s starting to look like as each day passes imho. There is a lot of corruption within the government (worldwide), unfortunately the corrupt ones are not stupid. They are all about insurance policies when it comes to control & power. Crypto-currencies will not impose restraint on the governments ability to emit or coin more crypto than exists. If they eventually taxed you directly at your wallet level, what’s to stop them? You see how fast they can make/change laws?

2. Banks work alongside governments, as well as ISP’s, etc. They have been working towards a one world order, and this crypto is just another piece of the puzzle.

On the contrary, most, if not all cell phones or internet connected devices have a “hard coded” MAC/serial number that is tied to an individuals internet service provider, which is tied to someone that showed an ID to open the account, the serial/MAC of that device links the name, directly linking the identity - via multiple steps. They have already started contact tracing for COVID19 by way of an individuals cell phone, imagine the things they are doing and not telling you about.

As far as Trojan horse, anything I say about that would be pure speculation but if you asked for my opinion I would say it’s designed to keep the government in control as they collapse the USD, it keeps their foot in the door so to speak. It gets people comfortable with the idea of using it. “Only criminals use it”, “you can’t be traced”, “it’s anonymous”, etc. And at a time like this, hardly anybody trusts the government, so if you ask me it was perfectly advertised and perpetuated by the mainstream media. Again, that’s just my opinion.

The internet was also invented for military use (NAVY), so everything we do on here (regardless of how “anonymous” you think it is) it’s really not.

3. If one were to guess, it would be collateral damage at the miner level. And all huge mining operations are generally taxed and regulated. Think about the device your using, cell phone, computer, etc. then it will make a lot more sense. Every device has a unique identifier (Media Access Control) responsible for sending and receiving packets. And every device you connect to the internet with a crypto wallet sends and receives packets, as well as packets identifying the user of said device likely via ISP/provider account information. These packets can be intercepted without you ever knowing. This certain 3 letter agency is proficient at it. Without warrants. Therefore, your wallet can be easily directly tied to your actual identity, and it can be done without you ever knowing about it.

Like I said before, these people are corrupt. However, they are not stupid.

I was arrested by the FBI at age 26 so it’s more than likely I know what I’m talking about when it comes to matters of privacy and DOCSIS. I was snitched on by someone who also worked in the same field.

[Cnut237]

The government created bitcoin. Specifically, the National Security Agency.

Seems very unlikely. They'd have used a digital US dollar instead, surely? This would meet all of their nefarious requirements without surrendering centralised control.

My thought process:
If I invented something as monumental as bitcoin, I would take credit for it somewhere. Wouldn’t you?

Depends why he created it, surely? If your aim was to create a decentralised alternative to the corruptions of fiat, then you would surely choose to remain anonymous - otherwise you become an overarching authority.
Alternatively, if you want to create a new financial system mostly to receive and bask in huge personal glory, then you'd go all Craig Wright about it and never shut up - in which case you'd never have been anonymous in the first place.
Makes perfect sense to me that Satoshi is anonymous, and it fits with what bitcoin is.

"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

^^Remember this?

I was also able to obtain Mr. Lilly’s private info, such as social security #, addresses, wife’s name, phone numbers, birth certificate, etc.

Why on Earth would you want to do that? If you have it, don't share the information.

[nutildah]

I don’t expect you to keep up, so for those who can, here’s a little more proof... make sure you know how to read before responding about this letter:

https://ibb.co/S3tNbzF

If they didn’t create it, then why is it a secret to answer a simple question... I understand some of you will be in constant denial. And that’s ok, one day you’ll know better.


If they didn’t have any participation in its creation then it wouldn’t be a classified matter... how’s that for a theory.

The message here is that they created it for a reason, and it’s not to do common people any favors.

This is a form letter which the only thing that can be deduced from is that the NSA has denied your friend's FOIA request. The verbiage in this letter can be found in dozens of other examples across the web, several of which are used by conspiracy theorists in support of their theory.

http://www.mountainvistasoft.com/personal/mia/mia-foia-page-1.gif
http://www.mountainvistasoft.com/personal/mia/mia-foia-page-2.gif

While nobody knows for sure if your theory about the NSA inventing bitcoin is true or not, we do know you are not the first person to propose it.

[PSCQQSCQQP]

Bitcoin is intended for governments to have more control over you, while using perpetuated media hyperbole to give you the illusion that it’s a “decentralized” payment network. Tell that to all the AML, and KYC laws... ISP’s can limit transactions based on MAC addresses.

If your statement were to be true. Then it's big irony since Bitcoin :
1. Inspire people to create cryptocurrency with better privacy such as Monero
2. Is used by criminal (before they move to more private cryptocurrency)
3. Make some more people aware about privacy and freedom

1. It can inspire whatever it wants. If governments mandate exchanges or service providers willingly give out customer data to government. The ISP/carrier can be forced to comply, thereby passing the burden on to the subscriber. It wouldn’t be hard for them to ban wallet apps from the stores either. Take a look at all the AML/KYC laws the exchanges need to abide by. Payment processors as well. A few extra laws could easily shut that whole idea down.

2. Just because law enforcement hasn’t arrested them doesn’t mean much. A lot of criminals are not always very bright and don’t fully understand the technicals of connecting to a network.

3. Those are both illusions when it comes to anything you do online, unfortunately. Speaking of privacy, the NSA headquarters in Ft. Meade is able to receive signals, and no signals are ever broadcasted from them. They monitor and spy on your phone calls without warrants. I know that they without a doubt monitor internet traffic.

[PSCQQSCQQP]

The government created bitcoin. Specifically, the National Security Agency.

Seems very unlikely. They'd have used a digital US dollar instead, surely? This would meet all of their nefarious requirements without surrendering centralised control.

My thought process:
If I invented something as monumental as bitcoin, I would take credit for it somewhere. Wouldn’t you?

Depends why he created it, surely? If your aim was to create a decentralised alternative to the corruptions of fiat, then you would surely choose to remain anonymous - otherwise you become an overarching authority.
Alternatively, if you want to create a new financial system mostly to receive and bask in huge personal glory, then you'd go all Craig Wright about it and never shut up - in which case you'd never have been anonymous in the first place.
Makes perfect sense to me that Satoshi is anonymous, and it fits with what bitcoin is.

"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

^^Remember this?

I was also able to obtain Mr. Lilly’s private info, such as social security #, addresses, wife’s name, phone numbers, birth certificate, etc.

Why on Earth would you want to do that? If you have it, don't share the information.

I’m glad you brought that up, as the us dollar is on it’s last legs and the federal reserve is about to print it into oblivion it wouldn’t make much sense to create a US $ coin because people wouldn’t have any confidence in it. This is all about centralized control. Doing away with any paper currency (by massive money printing), eliminating the $.

If someone creates a payment network to spy on everyone, that would also constitute an awfully good reason to remain anonymous. Meanwhile throwing controversial curveballs on mainstream media that claim credit to further distract people.

bitcoin is not at all anonymous as you’ve been lead to believe.

I remember the banking crisis in 2008 as well, and the banking crisis we are in now. From the Genesis block they set the framework to warm people up to using bitcoin with that trivial arcane message. You will end up losing more freedom if you fall for it.

[Slow death]

I thought I would no longer listen to this type of conspiracy theory, now someone comes to talk about conspiracy theory. All that's left is Faketoshi to appear on this thread and talk about his new version of how he created bitcoin. Wouldn't it be more practical if people concentrated on removing bitcoin of satoshi to serve as proof before talking about other theories?

They monitor and spy on your phone calls without warrants. I know that they without a doubt monitor internet traffic.

I'm wondering what it should be like in your house and what your life should be like? do you use phone? I suppose if you use a phone then you speak in code

[gentlemand]

bitcoin is not at all anonymous as you’ve been lead to believe.

Anyone capable of reading in bursts of up to 10-20 seconds can figure that out. It has the potential to operate without your real identity being known but you certainly have to work for it and most people can't be bothered or will be near guaranteed to slip up and blow it at some point.

As ever, Bitcoin has the potential to be whatever its users choose or allow it to be. The possibilities are there for it to be a tool of exclusion and surveillance but it can also be the polar opposite if the will exists to create and maintain it.

If they didn't create it government could still be attempting to influence it. It doesn't take much for that to slip away if it's taken in a direction the majority don't agree with.

[tbterryboy]

You are really making some points, but the truth is that nobody would like to believe that the Bitcoin we so much love and we are using today was invented by the government, and that includes me, I wouldn't like to believe that.

While I was reading this I started calculating a lot of things in my mind and they made it seem true, and others made it seem not to be true. You're right about saying that anyone that creates something as good as this would love to take credit, and that's why there has been a lot of people coming out from nowhere and claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto. And if you check other cryptocurrencies, those that created them are not being kept secret.

[vapourminer]

You're right about saying that anyone that creates something as good as this would love to take credit, and that's why there has been a lot of people coming out from nowhere and claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto. And if you check other cryptocurrencies, those that created them are not being kept secret.

take credit. why? if it really takes off you would be a huge target because of the amount of money you control and its direction (having mined so many when it was trivial and no one knew/cared), or taking blame if it tanks eventually and takes peoples fortunes with it. both ways could have serious disadvantages.. to say the least.

if i were satoshi (ha!) i would merely stash coins away here and there in random blocks he certainly could of mined early, but not too early.. once he had the software tweaked more to prevent that fingerprint the early versions left in the nonce (or whatever it was). as anonymously as possible. sneak them out as needed. im sure satoshi could do that and it would set him up for life anyway. i mean how many coins does he need? and he was that good obviously.

but then again im stupid, so my lines of reasoning im sure are flawed.

[fiulpro]

I do think we won't ever find him until and unless he does come upfront and talk about it , there are actually a lot more people in the line too .

All we know about him is he loves pokemon 😂

Why I think so :
(Ash Ketchum, known as Satoshi (サトシ) in Japan, is a fictional character in the ... As the protagonist of the Pokémon anime)- wiki

Finding id of this guy and checking if he does like Pokemon would be a good start though .

[rodskee]

There are hundreds of topics currently created by members in this forum, about "Satoshi Nakamoto", no matter for us 'Satoshi' is NSA, intelligence, UN, astronaut, moon and star.
What is clear is that 'Satoshi' has made changes in the economy of global communities around the world through digital currencies or Bitcoin that you know today.

and also added for this that even who is the real Satoshi is?the real score is that This person/s will never reveal
Himself so all of this claims came from?none of this will be legit and only
 bringing issue in the crypto cummunity.

OP, if you just want to reveal and say about 'Satoshi' it seems you are too late to say it all.
Precisely many people who want to reveal the identity of "Satoshi Nakamoto", but everything ends and is full of nonsense.

And if Satoshi really wanted to be Known by the crypto community?He will just contact theymos and fors ure this
 is enough to prove that he/They are  still existing but until that happens?all claims are false and FUD.

is enough everyone needs peace

This is what i wanna say,Respect Satoshi's decision and let the Peace silent
the issue about the real identity of Satoshi nakamoto.

[suvo05]

Bitcoin is intended for governments to have more control over you, while using perpetuated media hyperbole to give you the illusion that it’s a “decentralized” payment network. Tell that to all the AML, and KYC laws... ISP’s can limit transactions based on MAC addresses.

If your statement were to be true. Then it's big irony since Bitcoin :
1. Inspire people to create cryptocurrency with better privacy such as Monero
2. Is used by criminal (before they move to more private cryptocurrency)
3. Make some more people aware about privacy and freedom

The story seems to be similar to the TOR browser, which was developed by a mathematician of US Naval Research Laboratory employees but latter which turned out to be the browser for surfing the dark web.

[pixie85]

On the contrary, most, if not all cell phones or internet connected devices have a “hard coded” MAC/serial number that is tied to an individuals internet service provider, which is tied to someone that showed an ID to open the account, the serial/MAC of that device links the name, directly linking the identity - via multiple steps. They have already started contact tracing for COVID19 by way of an individuals cell phone, imagine the things they are doing and not telling you about.

Please explain to me how they'd know my ID by knowing my computer's serial number.
The only thing that is tied to my ISP is the IP address, but how does that reveal my identity through the blockchain?

Bitcoin is as anonymous as you make it.

I was arrested by the FBI at age 26 so it’s more than likely I know what I’m talking about when it comes to matters of privacy and DOCSIS. I was snitched on by someone who also worked in the same field.

The US agencies have no jurisdiction in my country.

[michellee]

So many scenarios about who is Satoshi Nakamoto, and we will read it again in the future. It is only a sample like the other story that we know, but we still don't know the person behind of Satoshi Nakamoto. If we know who is he/she/they, what we want to do? You want to come to his house and ask him with thousand of the question?

Let Satoshi Nakamoto decide, and if he/she/they still want to hide the identity, please let him stay at the dark without saying any more about that. If one day, he/she/they think that he/she/they need to clarify to the public, he/she/they will come out and tell the truth.

[dothebeats]

By your statement "If I invented something as monumental as bitcoin, I would take credit for it somewhere. Wouldn’t you?"

This means that CSW is the rightful inventor of bitcoin, then? He really pushes the Satoshi identity for himself to the extremes that even he defies local laws just to tell the world how genius he is.

It is a flawed logic, and does not apply to any and all individual just because your line of thinking is like that. For all we know, Satoshi just really wants to get off the hook as soon as the project got off of the platform--and even surpassed his expectations for it. Perhaps he's just overwhelmed with everything that he had to leave. There are people like that, trust me, that no matter how genius their inventions are, they'd just leave it for others to peruse without even boasting how they did it.

Also, reading on the 'bits and pieces' on the patent 6829355, there's really not much into it apart from SHA-2, which the SHA-256 belongs to. This does not explain the relationship of the patent, the mathematician and bitcoin--not even on the wildest thoughts. Just because I invented the ice cream machine does not mean that I invent other things that peruses my machine.