This is the beginning of the end.

[20kevin20]

This is what I was talking about.

An old, innocent couple was arrested and taken by force for not willing to have their temperature taken at the entrance of Kaufland, a hypermarket in my country. The cops requested more forces (a total of 4 cars) to come and force the man be arrested for the pure fact that he was arguing temperature taking is unconstitutional.

Here's the article talking about it and here is a video of the cops taking the man by force. The cops even put their feet on the old man's head (and as you can see later in the video, the old man has been hurt).

Yesterday, after lots of people and even lawyers argued against taking the temperature, our government silently modified the latest order which made customer temp taking mandatory and removed this rule, as there was more than enough legal evidence this was a completely unconstitutional move.

As a reply to the answers I haven't replied yet to, I think the links I've placed in my posts on this thread and this event from my country is enough to prove why I really felt the need of writing this thread. To those hating on my thoughts, maybe now you understand me.

The old couple had NO violent behavior except arguing with the cops: the old woman requested the cop to show his cop ID and he refused her every time, and as you can obviously see, the cops have NO mask and the cops respected NO social distancing in the entire process. Cops touched them while they raised no hand at the cops.

This is the sad path we're heading for as humanity.


Edit: I'm going to leave here just a few links as an answer to those stating that "COVID-19 measures save more lives" and I will answer suchmoon's question..

Even if there is a margin of error in the count of presumed (unconfirmed) deaths, I hope you're not suggesting that authorities are inflating the total number of deaths... are you? Do they kill people to make the number higher?

Have you ever considered what the current crisis has done to the hundreds of millions around the world having no more job and some people going into absolute poverty?

Maybe there are more deaths because more than half a million of people from UK have joined a suicide prevention course in the last 3 weeks alone? Maybe there are more deaths because poverty is now on the rise? Maybe it's because ventilators may do even more damage to the lungs? Or maybe it's the fact that people die at home because they aren't treated anymore for anything except COVID-19... or maybe the fact that hospitals get paid $13k per COVID-19 positive patient and $39k per COVID-19 death... OR maybe it's the fact that more people have died in Austria from heart attacks than COVID-19, as lockdowns lead to some pretty bad mental and physical states? Or... perhaps... it could be due to multiple reasons including the above...

I don't know, I'm just wondering...

[madnessteat]

Lately, cops have become very aggressive towards civilians. And this is happening all over the world. In YouTube, there are more and more videos of cops acting like Hitler's police. And they do not care who is in front of them and often the aggression is directed towards women with children or pensioners.

[franky1]

here is the thing though. (and i might be repeating myself)
a shop owner has his property. and he sets the rules of who can come in and who cant.
thats his right

people dont actually by any law have the right to just walk into a supermarket.
its the thing people keep forgetting that responsibility that comes with rights.
a shop is private property

also the temperature check is not a 'health check' .. its a safety precaution
much like a shop owner checks that a floor is not slippery or could check if people are carrying a weapon and deny them access to the whole store if they have a weapon or a particular aisle if that aisle is slippery. thats his right.
he is responsible for peoples safety.

if someone does not like the treatment of a store. then they can turn around and find another store.
but to stand and argue. and even try to enter without being scanned. makes the shop owner in his right to get you escorted out.

maybe the use of excessive force was a little bit too much. but from the look at the video they were given many, many, many opportunities to turn around and go home.

i actually feel like the guy was put into the situation more due to his angry wife.

..
but overall
a shop can decline serving any one for any reason they like. no law forces a shop to serve people.
and its not the security guard or the police that can change that policy.. usually its something to request the owner of the supermarket chain to change.
but under this climate. that wont happen anytime soon.
arguing with the guy at the door wont get results. nor would continue arguing where the only result would be going home or getting arrested. pushing for the arrest does not make the action of not being temperature scanned an arrestable offence. but being a loud and persistently angry person trying to escalate an argument would

[Chrystora123]

Lately, cops have become very aggressive towards civilians. And this is happening all over the world. In YouTube, there are more and more videos of cops acting like Hitler's police. And they do not care who is in front of them and often the aggression is directed towards women with children or pensioners.

at the moment we cannot blame the police for their crackdown..  they (the police) only carry out orders from the government, the police in my country do not commit violence against civilians but look at what happens, the corona positive surge is increasing every day.  the most feared of the whole country is the corona positive explosion, if there is a patient explosion, the hospital is worried that it will not be able to accommodate corona patients, causing mass death..

I strongly recommend that we continue to follow the directions of each local government, run health protocols and keep a safe distance from others, this "PANDEMIC" will not stop, so we must take care of ourselves..

[franky1]

its always the idiots that think they can argue their way into getting what they want. and even with social distancing. thinking chest bumping and breathing on people less than 2 metres away will win them an award.

for the idiots that do decide to touch security/cops'store workers. guess what. it would be treated as assault.
if you dont like the fact that a store is trying to keep everyone else safe, at the expense of your experience. well go find another experience elsewhere.
dont try picking a fight. as it will just work out worse for you

you can stand still all you like. wiggle your body all you like.
but as soon as you come into proximity of another person that does not want their personal space invaded. or threatening them. then expect to not be given the red carpet experience

[Vod]

Personal space is an approximate area surrounding an individual in which other people should not physically violate in order for them to feel comfortable and secure. It is the zone around individuals which they regard as psychologically theirs. The amount of personal space required for any given person is subjective. It also depends on how well you know the other person. The more intimate the relationship, the less personal space is involved.

The law does not recognize a specific crime or civil action based on violation of personal space per se. However, the law does recognize various actions based on assault, harassment and unwelcome touching.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/personal-space/

I think we might see some new criminal legislation regarding personal space soon.

[20kevin20]

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Stores are private properties. If they decide to rule out customers with .. normal temperature .. then okay. Their rule. But our authorities gave an unconstitutional order for all stores to have this as a mandatory procedure. Let me give you one, simple example:

One man wants to buy his necessities. He is very poor, old and religious; he doesn't have a TV, internet or a phone. Once he arrives at the shop, they want to take his temperature. He's old - he doesn't understand tech, so he fears that's the mark of the beast (especially as it's taken from the forehead). If only that store decided to do this, he'd turn around and go to another shop which doesn't consider this necessary. But the authorities force all stores to have this mandatory. Hence, even after 5 shops he visited, he cannot buy food.

What does he do? Will he not be able to purchase food at all because he fears having his temperature checked (reminder: we are not allowed IF WE HAVE NORMAL BODY TEMPERATURE)? That's discrimination.

Before someone reading this doesn't care about religion and is willing to reply to this part specifically for this reason, then believe/don't believe in whatever the fuck you want. But if you decide NOT to believe in something and someone else decides they do, then let them choose to believe exactly the same way you chose not to.


Big difference between a store deciding not to let specific customers in and the authorities giving an unconstitutional order to force them all to do so.

Let me tell you one thing: at least in my country, security agents only need 4 years of school in order to become a security agent. If that's someone you'd trust even when it comes to basic temperature taking, especially considering we have these kind of devices for sale even under $15 in my country and could be wrongly calibrated (or the security agent could somehow decalibrate it by mistake), then I don't know what to say anymore.

Moreover, one of our authorities said something like the fact that temperature taking is a procedure through which any symptomatic or asymptomatic person takes the temperature of a healthy person willing to enter a shop. So as you can see, everything goes upside down right now over here.

What's even funnier is the fact that those without studies or with low grades at school have been considered idiots - yet the security agents with minimum 4 years of school are able to take our temperature. Damn, if I ever wanted this to be mandatory and I had 6 years of school, they would've talked about how stupid I'd be and how I would probably put that laser inside someone's eyes instead of forehead.

Were the 7 policemen really needed for that one old man? Why did the policeman touch the woman - I mean, the old woman who did not pose any danger to the cops? Why did EIGHT cops not respect social distancing and why did NO COP have a mask? Why did the police not respect social distancing even before the "arguing" starts? Please don't tell me that with these 7 policemen, if the old man was infected, the virus was perfectly contained in this encounter.. Honestly right now, if the old man had the virus, all cops would've already been infected and from a "you two go back home" we get to a "7 cops and an old couple have been infected with the virus" in a matter of minutes..

And about the arguing, the cops are obliged to introduce themselves when they appear and the arguing started when the woman asked him to show his badge - he refused to do so, and then he put the hand on her shoulder and she said he is not allowed to do so. In all honesty, the cops all look like they're under 20. Were they fake cops, maybe someone would've agreed with the way she proceeded. It's like being stopped and asked for money by a cop without him ever presenting himself. Would you give him money just because he has the cop clothing on him?

P.S: Take a look at the video again. The security agents are supposedly keeping us safe by checking our temperature and not letting someone with a normal temp go inside, right? Hmm. Do you see something not okay at all regarding the security agents? Maybe.. just maybe.. the fact that they wear the mask under their nose so if anyone infected came in their proximity to have their temp checked and coughed once or spoke, the security agent would've been infected 100% and would've infected everyone else who came into the store ..

I heard yesterday that they may ban women on their period from entering stores, because when a woman is on her period her temperature rises. Is that okay?

This "pandemic safety measures" got the stupidity of many to the surface really quick.


A little update in regards to how the narrative keeps changing continuously. We all heard the fact that a vaccine needs around 18 months to have the most basic research and make sure the vaccine has at least a bit of efficiency and safety and even 18 months are a world record.

Well, our TVs are now pushing the idea that we're going to have lots of people tested BEFORE the end of 2020 and they're talking about mandatory vaccination. I have a very curious thought: why do I have to be forced to take the vaccine? If I and all the other "anti-vaxxers" don't take it and everyone else does, doesn't that mean this "controversed community of anti-vaxxers" would die and everyone else lives happily?

Would wonder what happens if vaccines turn mandatory and the government ever comes out and say "hey, we have this mandatory experimental vaccine we want to put inside you!". What if in that, exact moment all the pro-vaxxers turn anti-vaxxers and vice-versa? It'd be VERY fair for us to push for vaccine administration inside your body, hmm?

But wait! When did 18 months turn into under 12? Hmm, maybe the PREP Act providing immunity for liability now speaks words huh?

[madnessteat]

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Well, first of all, any shop stands in the territory that belongs to the citizens of the country he rents and I do not have to obey their internal rules as it is illegal.

Secondly, no one can conduct any experiments on a person without his consent (wearing a mask, temperature measurement, etc.).

[PavelMed]

I support your feelings, and the situation seems absurd to me.
At first it was scary too, I succumbed to panic.
But then, after analyzing a lot, I was convinced that everything is not so scary with the virus. More terrible is the redivision of the world. Because you don’t know what to expect next. It’s really scary.