WHY LAUDA'S PLAGIARISM CASE HAVE SO MUCH DRAMA?

[Teleman]

Moderator's and staff are quickly banning members who plagiarize, and why does Lauda can explain about the issue? Why it's taking too much drama?
He should be perma ban! quickly as that. If that is a normal member, right now he is ban. But if it's lauda he can explain?

The forum rules are simple, you plagiarize you are gonna get perma ban.

Username: Lauda
Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872
Evidence

Post 1:

Your English levels are under those of a 5th grader. Consider taking a course, because you complicate things and usually make no sense.
I never said that SHA256 for a normal computer wasn't SHA128 for a quantum one. You didn't explain it because it can't be explained well i.e. what you said effectively makes no sense. A quantum computer can't beat SHA 256 (i.e. SHA 128). Actually if SHA gets broken the problem will be on a much larger scale where Bitcoin will be irrelevant (unless globally adopted). A lot of things use SHA, for example banks.

What I'm trying to say is:
For SHA256, it effectively becomes SHA128 to a Quantum computer. Now the question remains, can a Quantum search for SHA128 faster than a classical computer search through SHA256?
With out current technology and for the near future, we still can't build a real Quantum computer that can even begin to tackle this problem, let alone solve it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20160204084145/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026125.0

Shor's Algorithm applies to prime factorization, which SHA256 doesn't use.
What you're looking for to crack SHA256 is Grover's Algorithm. Basically under classical models of computation the optimal way to find a matching hash is to simply search through the entire space yielding O(n). Under Quantum Computing the optimal time is O(n^0.5), which means effectively you have halved the key-length.
For SHA256, it effectively becomes SHA128 to a Quantum computer. Now the question remains, can a Quantum search for SHA128 faster than a classical computer search through SHA256?
With our current technology and for the foreseeable future, we still cannot build a Quantum computer that can yet begin to tackle this problem, let alone solve it in a time within our lifespan. Thus SHA256 is considered "secure enough" for now.

http://web.archive.org/web/20190105172604/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78693.0


Post 2:

I see no information about 128 bit keys being broken. Any information found on stackexchange has no guarantee to be correct. It confirms what I said. SHA can't be reversed; it has to be brute forced.
It clearly indicated that quantum computers are more powerful than the computers of today, which is logical. There is no information on there internet about this. You're talking out of a hat.
Yes 128 bit security is 18446744073709551616 times faster to bruteforce than 256 bit. This doesn't mean that it is vulnerable when used.
It's obvious that people are commenting without proper knowledge in quantum related technology. The computers are not nowhere near ready to do any complicated jobs.
The main challenge in a Qcomputer is to make sure that the qubits are entangled (if you're familiar with Schrödinger’s cat you will know what I'm talking about; look that up). The computer must stay in this state (for the cat - it can't be simultaneously dead or alive) long enough to perform calculations and get results. The ones that we have can keep the state for miliseconds or maybe a couple of seconds. That's not long enough to do something useful. To break encryption these computers must have 500-2000qubits. Existing quantum computers operate with 14 qubits at maximum.
I have not forgotten about D-wave though. The company D-Wave claims that it has produced a 512 qubit Qcomputer. That is not a real quantum computer because it uses quantum annealing effect and can't demonstrate full properties of one. It is basically set to do a few specific tasks and represents no danger to encryption.
To summarize: You're wrong. Existing implementations have not shown that they can beat 128bit encryption. They aren't even close. That's the current situation. I'm not saying that in 5 years we won't have better technology. We might operate with 1400 qubits or be stuck at 140. Nobody really knows.

http://web.archive.org/web/20160204084306/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026125.40

Quantum computers don’t reside on the desktop of every other teenage hacker wishing to eavesdrop on his classmates’ Facebook sessions for good reason. Creation of a full-scale quantum computer involves many engineering challenges that some specialists consider to be impossible to accomplish.
The main challenge is making sure qubits are entangled, because each quantum system tends to collapse into a classical state, lacking valuable undetermined properties. We can’t avoid mentioning the long-suffering Schrödinger’s cat here, which eventually can’t stay both dead and alive simultaneously – a quantum computer, however, must maintain this miraculous state for a long enough time to perform calculation and measure results. Modern prototypes can keep this state for milliseconds, and in some cases, a couple of seconds. The task becomes more and more complicated when the qubit count rises too. To break cryptosystems, computers must have 500-2000 qubits (depending on the algorithm and key length), but existing quantum computers operate with 14 qubits at maximum.
That is why today’s quantum computers are not usable for breaking your SSL certificate, but the situation may change in 5 years.
Against this background, Canadian company D-Wave brassily claims that it produces 512-qubit quantum computers. Moreover, these devices are available for sale. Many experts say that the D-Wave computer is not “real,” because it utilizes a quantum annealing effect and can’t demonstrate full properties of a quantum computer.

http://web.archive.org/web/20190507194853/https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/quantum-computers-and-the-end-of-security/2852/


Post 3:

Exactly how is spreading FUD related to retardation?
Fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) = is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information.
At least he is not spreading any FUD about Bitcoin. The altcoins matter no less. How about you take a look at OP? Those 2 threads in Bitcoin Discussion truly amazed me. 

http://web.archive.org/web/20160225063655/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=729053.140

People say all is fair in business - win at all costs. One strategy some competitors use is to confuse the buying/selling process through infusing fear, uncertainty, and doubt into the buying/selling decision.
FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information. FUD is a manifestation of the appeal to fear. (Wikipedia).

https://web.archive.org/web/20200520044610/https://www.ideateinc.com/blog/2013/08/fear-uncertainty-doubt-in-buying


Post 4:

Well this is actually an advanced view of the matter. This is what I expect from people who aren't from Bit-X and DaDice. You've written this very nicely. It is making them reject reasoning and critical thinking.
Religions such as Christianity are absurd. This is an objective opinion.  Just think about it. How would it be if you had never heard of any religion till you were grown up and actually though for yourself? If we take Christianity for an example; you believe in an invisible man who allegedly lived over 2000 years ago. He was killed by religious zealost and then he magically raised from the dead just after three days. In addition to that, they believe in other invisible being such as angels and demons. Meanwhile, another invisible Spirit (the Holy Spirit) is constantly at work behind the scenes around the earth, keeping the whole thing straight and intervening whenever he can. The words 'whenever he can' have been specifically used because since he exists why should he save the little children from abuse and rape? 

http://web.archive.org/web/20160202021047/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.40

From an outside observer’s standpoint, Christianity is kind of absurd. Think about it. We believe in an invisible man who lived over 2,000 years ago in a series of backwater towns in the Middle East, was killed by some religious zealots, and then was magically raised from the dead three days later, after which he floated up into the sky and disappeared, thus becoming the invisible man we now believe in and pin all our hopes to. Oh, and on top of that, we believe in other invisible beings: angels and demons — who are all around us, helping and influencing us. Meanwhile, another invisible Spirit (the Holy Spirit) is constantly at work behind the scenes around the earth, keeping the whole thing straight and intervening whenever He can. When put that way, even I think it sounds crazy.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200518082744/https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2015/02/06/a-conservative-christian-finally-admits-his-faith-makes-no-sense/


Post 5:

Is this supposed to be a real discussion or some troll thread? You can't really find scientific proof for something like this to not to exist. If there is no proof that it exists then it should be assumed that it does not.
What one can do is explain how the Bible and whole religion is messed. As an example take praying.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. What will happen when we pray? Nothing.
I'm not exactly sure from which part this is but I know that it exists "Ask and it will be given to you". If we all ask for cancer to be cured it definitely will. 

http://web.archive.org/web/20160205222449/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035211.0

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way: Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Will anything happen? No. And the fact that nothing happens proves to us that God is imaginary. Here's why: Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. The fact that those promises are untrue tells us that God is imaginary.

http://web.archive.org/web/20181017072746/https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/why-wont-god-heal-amputees.70716/page-32


Post 6:

This was not easy to understand for someone who's not native to English. People believe in something because they need to, hence hope exists. This doesn't affect it being true or not.
We used to think something(X) was caused by physical cause and effect, but now we understand that it's caused by God, or spirits, or demons, or the soul.

http://web.archive.org/web/20160205222449/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035211.0

Now. The number of times that a natural explanation of a phenomenon has been replaced by a supernatural or religious one? The number of times humankind has said,
“We used to think (X) was caused by physical cause and effect, but now we understand that it’s actually caused by God, or spirits, or demons, or the soul”?

https://web.archive.org/web/20190331065516/https://the-orbit.net/greta/2008/09/15/the-ten-main-reasons-i-dont-believe-in-god/

[acroman08]

because Lauda is a well-known member and has contributed to this forum. Lauda also has a lot of enemies which where most of the drama comes from(maybe not). in the end, moderators will have to make a decision whether to permaban him or temporary ban(moderator might consider his contribution and lessen the punishment but I am not certain).

[hackerplace]

Moderator's and staff are quickly banning members who plagiarize, and why does Lauda can explain about the issue? Why it's taking too much drama?

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lauda plagiarism? BAN

no sorry: PERMABAN

as others are banned, he too must be banned

[Shimmiry]

Moderator's and staff are quickly banning members who plagiarize, and why does Lauda can explain about the issue? Why it's taking too much drama?
He should be perma ban! quickly as that. If that is a normal member, right now he is ban. But if it's lauda he can explain?

The forum rules are simple, you plagiarize you are gonna get perma ban.

Why do some users make alt accounts just to post the same? You've just cited your opinion yet you've quoted all the evidences. This thread should be removed as it is just like the recent post

"HOLY FUCK !!!! THE SCAMMER IS ALSO A PLAGIARIST OF GIANT MAGNITUDE - SIG BAN NO"

You could've instead posted your opinion on that thread or make a reply at the main Report Plagiarism thread than making your own.

If you wanted others to be banned, you are free to open up your sides and opinions. Yet if you would make accounts just to post the same issues, you might lose the argument in the end, making your accusations subjective. I don't side with Lauda nor with anyone at all. Yes, he must be punished the same as the other users. Yet with those desperate actions, again, you might lose the war.

lauda plagiarism? BAN
no sorry: PERMABAN
as others are banned, he too must be banned

Meanwhile, you've been active just to post that, and used the same comments here. We all know that there is a forum rule that states that it is prohibited to duplicate posts.

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated).

Lauda deserves disciplinary actions. Yet you also deserve the same. Remember not to do the same mistakes as what you accuse to others.

[snipie]

Moderator's and staff are quickly banning members who plagiarize, and why does Lauda can explain about the issue? Why it's taking too much drama?
He should be perma ban! quickly as that. If that is a normal member, right now he is ban. But if it's lauda he can explain?

The forum rules are simple, you plagiarize you are gonna get perma ban.

Oath,,,! for the sake of the vast sky.

OP your English is very messy, I repeated a few times reading, it looks like I have to find a swimming pool to soak myself for a moment.

I dislike people judging others for such things seriously, in addition to neglecting what the thread is talking about and going very far off topic.
Most people in BitcoinTalk aren't native English speakers so refrain from commenting nonsense. The important point is to write your idea in the clearest possible manner and others can react if they wish.

Back to the topic now, i prefer to keep my neutrality in bitcointalk drama. Lauda is well known person and admins/staff will take more time analysing evidences, although whatever the decision will be, it will bring much more drama.

[YOSHIE]

Moderator's and staff are quickly banning members who plagiarize, and why does Lauda can explain about the issue? Why it's taking too much drama?
He should be perma ban! quickly as that. If that is a normal member, right now he is ban. But if it's lauda he can explain?

I don't know what you are talking about, I seem to have to find something to translate what you write.
I hope I'm not mistaken in interpreting the objectives of the OP.

Are you showing that @Lauda is copying/pasting, you are wrong about it, @Lauda does the explaining about the SHA256 computer, and shows all the original text and posts edited previously, he tries to explain what is wrong with the topic.

How can you say @Lauda made a mistake, you should correct your language to say something that is true for others. troll.
No one cares about all that, @Lauda is very clear in straightening out what was wrong in the post, the OP was wrong in drawing conclusions, not careful or not reading it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

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OP's English isn't that bad.  He's basically writing what I figured members would start doing once this thing was uncovered, though I suspect there are some alt accounts involved here just trying to accelerate the drama. 

Lauda is well known person and admins/staff will take more time analysing evidences, although whatever the decision will be, it will bring much more drama.

Yeah, that's definitely part of it.  It's one thing to remove a member like Lauda from DT, but it's another thing entirely to ban one like him/her.  I don't know what, if anything, is going on behind the scenes (and by that I mean in Theymos's head), but popcorn is about to become harder to get than hand sanitizer.

[Bitcoin-Babe]

Lauda should be banned.
The other thread demonstrated some very crafty patchwork style plagiarism.
The excuse given of a word for word memorized mistake is quite ridiculous.
Lauda also has a scammer thread open describing in detail how he was deliberately telling lies to entice investors under a false premise. It is in the reputation section.
There is also a serious extortion thread and serious risky escrow I am reading through now.
It is remarkable they are still a member. Theymos removed lauda from admin and lauda has been banned several times already.

[Steamtyme]

Must say I was surprised to see a thread like this. Will there be a ban? Yes, if the threshold for plagiarism is passed. The forum is consistent in punishment. Will it be permanent? No.
I believe that regardless of how you feel about Lauda and their judgement they have been a net positive to the forum. It's not a good look but they will still be welcomed as a member if the forum.
Unless I've missed something that is still the criteria.  So likely a sig ban for a year and 30 day temp ban.

[Bitcoin-Babe]

Must say I was surprised to see a thread like this. Will there be a ban? Yes, if the threshold for plagiarism is passed. The forum is consistent in punishment. Will it be permanent? No.
I believe that regardless of how you feel about Lauda and their judgement they have been a net positive to the forum. It's not a good look but they will still be welcomed as a member if the forum.
Unless I've missed something that is still the criteria.  So likely a sig ban for a year and 30 day temp ban.

Stop spreading lies.
I have reviewed the evidence that proves lauda is a scammer.
He has had multiple bans already.
There is strong evidence he tried to extort a member by threatening their family.
A 2yr sig ban is for "normal" non scamming not previously banned members

Why would lauda get less. Dont be stupid.

You appear to be trying to suggest a far lower than appropriate punishment. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Claiming a person with this kind of history is a positive and constructive member makes you look untrustworthy.
Perm ban now after all of his previous attempts to scam other members or every member banned should be reinstated.
Plagiarism is the smaller part of Laura's negative influence here. Make it the final.

[philipma1957]

Must say I was surprised to see a thread like this. Will there be a ban? Yes, if the threshold for plagiarism is passed. The forum is consistent in punishment. Will it be permanent? No.
I believe that regardless of how you feel about Lauda and their judgement they have been a net positive to the forum. It's not a good look but they will still be welcomed as a member if the forum.
Unless I've missed something that is still the criteria.  So likely a sig ban for a year and 30 day temp ban.

Yeah one or two of the examples do not look to good for Lauda.

I would imagine a 6 month to 2 year signature ban and maybe a 30 to 90 day real ban.

I don't believe in permaban

I do think signature bans are good.

I would prefer to see lauda post and have a  signature ban.  With the following statement my signature has been banned until (Jan 1 2021)  or what ever date.

I actually prefer signature ban for most offenders.

It allows you to follow the person and new posts they make.

Instead of them retreating to an alt account no one knowns anything about.

[Bitcoin-Babe]

Must say I was surprised to see a thread like this. Will there be a ban? Yes, if the threshold for plagiarism is passed. The forum is consistent in punishment. Will it be permanent? No.
I believe that regardless of how you feel about Lauda and their judgement they have been a net positive to the forum. It's not a good look but they will still be welcomed as a member if the forum.
Unless I've missed something that is still the criteria.  So likely a sig ban for a year and 30 day temp ban.

Yeah one or two of the examples do not look to good for Lauda.

I would imagine a 6 month to 2 year signature ban and maybe a 30 to 90 day real ban.

I don't believe in permaban

I do think signature bans are good.

I would prefer to see lauda post and have a  signature ban.  With the following statement my signature has been banned until (Jan 1 2021)  or what ever date.

I actually prefer signature ban for most offenders.

It allows you to follow the person and new posts they make.

Instead of them retreating to an alt account no one knowns anything about.

You are discussing this in terms of a " normal-" member that has not been previously banned. Also this member lauda has been found guilty of scamming. I have reviewed the evidence and it is air tight.

Scammers should be banned.
Plagiarist scammers ... well you do the math.

Lauda has himself advocated for plagiarist to be banned. Let him live by his own standards.

[Steamtyme]

I'm spreading no lies. Feel free to point out if  I have my non perma ban punishment information confused.

You're problem is that you forget the forum does not moderate scams.  That is for the police to sort out. It is again just your opinion that they are a scammer which you are wrongly applying to this instance.

The "extortion" case was something people have delved into on numerous occasionsand is something from before my time.  This again goes down to disagreeing with them and their actions. Disagreeing with how someone conducts themselves within the rules of the forum again has no business being taken into consideration here.

Yes they have been banned before but that still doesn't mean they have not been an overall net positive for the forum at large. Consider the numerous pinned topics that have for years provided good solid information for newbies.

You are laser focused and only concerned with your opinion and distaste for Lauda. If toy really wanted a consistent punishment applied then you would be open to the possibility of a temp ban then a sig ban.

[Bitcoin-Babe]

I'm spreading no lies. Feel free to point out if  I have my non perma ban punishment information confused.

You're problem is that you forget the forum does not moderate scams.  That is for the police to sort out. It is again just your opinion that they are a scammer which you are wrongly applying to this instance.

The "extortion" case was something people have delved into on numerous occasionsand is something from before my time.  This again goes down to disagreeing with them and their actions. Disagreeing with how someone conducts themselves within the rules of the forum again has no business being taken into consideration here.

Yes they have been banned before but that still doesn't mean they have not been an overall net positive for the forum at large. Consider the numerous pinned topics that have for years provided good solid information for newbies.

You are laser focused and only concerned with your opinion and distaste for Lauda. If toy really wanted a consistent punishment applied then you would be open to the possibility of a temp ban then a sig ban.

You are spreading lies now. The plagiarism in this case is clearly a patchwork attempt which is clearly an obfuscation attempt and not a simple forgetting to place a reference.
The lie here is that the scam evidence against lauda is not rock solid. I have looked through it and gone back to the orignal 2014 threads. There is no doubt this member lauda was attempting to scam investors. Please do not dispute this without presenting your clear case.  The" you are wrong" doesn't cut it. Again it makes you look very untrustworthy. I am surprised the forum permits members to tell lies and receive payment.
You can not permit scammers that have been subsequently been banned several times,  to be given weaker punishment than those that have not been so net negative and dangerous.
The extortion attempt was real. They simply forced the victim to say it was not when they got caught
Theymos removed lauda from mod over this so stop lying.
It looks like you need to be watched extremely closely.
If you are going to accurately assess a members net value then you can not allow liars like steamtyme to pollute this process.
Scamming should be impossible to earn your way back from. The financially dangerous must be removed.
Lauda was just here claiming that a 2yr sig ban was not sufficient punishment and a perm ban was the way to go.
Let lauda have his way.

You must not listen to peoples friends who have themselves had zero pity for plagiarists. Thepharmacist is the first to jump on plagiarists previously and demand perm bans for less serious plagiarism. His friend lauda is a confirmed scammer who was removed from being a mod due to trying to extort members.

[Quickseller]

Bitcoin thrives on drama. If the forum doesn’t have enough drama, the price won’t go up as much.

We have largely stopped permabanbing users for plagiarism, so I would guess Lauda won’t get a permaban. He probably will get some kind of punishment based on how others have been handled for similar situations.

[nutildah]

A 2yr sig ban is for "normal" non scamming not previously banned members

New cryptohunter alt detected.

non scamming

non scamming

NON SCAMMING

non scamming

Set phasers to Ignore.

[koshgel]

Lauda has always sucked as a poster 

[peloso]

by rules Lauda must be banned and it must be permaban only
in my opinion I would not want her to be banned
but i would like sig permaban and its would be fair

[friends1980]

"Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!"

I added the quotation marks, to make sure it's clear I'm quoting - wouldn't like to be accused of plagiarism.

[marlboroza]

Oh, ffs lauda...

I added the quotation marks, to make sure it's clear I'm quoting - wouldn't like to be accused of plagiarism.

"It happened long time ago"

Makes me wonder, where are some forum members...

We have largely stopped permabanbing users for plagiarism, so I would guess Lauda won’t get a permaban. He probably will get some kind of punishment based on how others have been handled for similar situations.

He will probably get signature ban, but in case nothing happens there will probably be more theories and more topics. Never ending bitcointalk drama.