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May 24, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
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Sometimes I feel that we are getting trapped more and more, day by day into the trap of logic. Though in writing this I must use logic but not logic only. There is something far more powerful that drives us, you can call it emotions but it is in the domain of irrationality and trying to name it is a futile effort of logic.
Logic is not out there it is a lens that we have decided to pick. For logic in order to exist there must be preexisting irrationality. We are the product of randomness, we are the children of irrationality free from any limitations not matter how logical they seems.  
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May 25, 2020, 11:38:46 PM
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Sometimes I feel that we are getting trapped more and more, day by day into the trap of logic. Though in writing this I must use logic but not logic only. There is something far more powerful that drives us, you can call it emotions but it is in the domain of irrationality and trying to name it is a futile effort of logic.
Logic is not out there it is a lens that we have decided to pick. For logic in order to exist there must be preexisting irrationality. We are the product of randomness, we are the children of irrationality free from any limitations not matter how logical they seems.  

Logic is a way to organize our experience. It is not the basis of that experience.
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May 27, 2020, 09:53:33 AM
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the limit of logic is how informed that logic is

logic fails with limited data
EG
1. a car runs over a person
logic is that it is the drivers fault

.. then more data
a. the person waited until the car was too close and then jumped into the road to suicide themselves
or
b. the driver recognised his ex-manager that fired him. he aimed the car at the guy
or
c. person was crossing the road normally. but the driver realised his brake line was cut

suddenly logic changes directions. where now its only 33% drivers fault(b) instead of 100%

logic can organise decisions but is only most effective if the amount of data to make a decision is available
we are random and there may be many many many variables of data/info/experiences. logic tries to organise that. but whats more important is how informed that logic is
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May 27, 2020, 12:50:25 PM
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the limit of logic is how informed that logic is

logic fails with limited data
EG
1. a car runs over a person
logic is that it is the drivers fault

.. then more data
a. the person waited until the car was too close and then jumped into the road to suicide themselves
or
b. the driver recognised his ex-manager that fired him. he aimed the car at the guy
or
c. person was crossing the road normally. but the driver realised his brake line was cut

suddenly logic changes directions. where now its only 33% drivers fault(b) instead of 100%

logic can organise decisions but is only most effective if the amount of data to make a decision is available
we are random and there may be many many many variables of data/info/experiences. logic tries to organise that. but whats more important is how informed that logic is

No matter how much data you have. logic is based on rationality which depends upon cause effect relationship which is one thing among so many other. The way we have evolved over the time logic makes sense for survival. It is human nature (which comprises of logic + so many other things) to strive for unknown even if logic fails (not because lack of information but because of absence of causality).
Logic is not out there like some truth or the ultimate way to find truth (IMHO they both are same) it is a frame which we have adopted and frames keep changing.
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May 30, 2020, 07:34:32 PM
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anybody can answer questions logically, but even getting the right answer in a logical way there is no way out to the word that "we must consider".

We can get out to the Trap of Logic if we stand in one Decision,information and belief.

once we don't have a concrete wall then we fail to judge logically.

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June 04, 2020, 11:29:42 AM
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Logic is the basis of science, maths, laws, and all of modern society and technology. It is hugely important. And it's not just human, all thinking animals apply at least basic logic. Without it, we simply wouldn't survive.

However logic can be misused when it is applied selectively or (in the case of false syllogisms, for example,) incorrectly. It is common human experience to have an emotional response to something, and then try to apply selective logic and selective facts in order to justify that response. Really the emotional response, and the determination of whether a thing is right or wrong, should come after all pertinent facts have been considered, not before. I'm not saying that we should be unfeeling robots and not have snap emotional responses, rather that we should be willing to amend that initial emotional reaction once we have considered the facts, not merely seek out only those facts that reinforce it.

We are the product of randomness, we are the children of irrationality
I would disagree. Whilst DNA mutations are random, the determination of which of those mutations survive through natural selection has much less to do with randomness. In general there are logical reasons that certain mutations survive long enough to pass into a next generation.
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June 08, 2020, 03:18:01 PM
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Logic can be explained with what we all know as Inertia, that is, the properties of matter in an inertial state; the dependence always on an external force to change its state of rest or relative movement.

The logic therefore depends on everything that surrounds you, the interaction allows you to trigger your pattern of logic for solve each event.

Those events far from becoming simpler are becoming more complex every day, they are trapping logic...

The matter! that allowed us to have life and therefore logic, it may be that in the future it ceases to exist in the way we know it and becomein the initial logic of what the whole should be, radiation and matter.
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June 09, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
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once we don't have a concrete wall then we fail to judge logically.

And logically, there is no way we can stand in one concrete wall to adjudge logically because there would have been a lot of inductive and deductive reasoning for logic to be produced based of either deductive or inductive wave of evidence and that makes a judgement sound legally.
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