Last of the V8s Merit Source Application

[philipma1957]

sigh,

As much as I hate to say it about such a rival, V8 would make an exemplary source.

Actually, I was pretty surprised to learn that he was not already one.

Yep  I always thought that he was a merit source.

He should be one!

[Last of the V8s]

   Means a lot; thank you Phil. And everyone else too

Got some time to look through just my watchlist a bit; picking up a lot need merits.

edit: archived the front page again https://archive.is/tIuGE in case of backscratching allegations - I didn't know who merited me, I saw I had a gained a merit while afk, and rushed just to merit the next person on my little list, who turns out to be the same chap.  coincidence!

[Timelord2067]

Hi,

I have a set of questions that I have been asking other Merit Source applicants:


Would you say that you are a  part of any Clubs, Groups, or indeed Gangs here on Bitcoin talk?

Please elaborate.


Do you feel that you are unbiased?

Please elaborate.


How would you distribute merits?  One per post?  Ten merits per post? Some skewered in one direction, but not another?

Please elaborate.


Given you are wanting to be seen to be accountable (my words, not yours) I can't help but notice this:

Trust list for: Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =5 / -1) (431 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-30_Sat_12.05h)
Back to index

~Timelord2067's judgement is Distrusted by:
25. NEW Last of the V8s (Trust: +8 / =1 / -1) (3208 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

My questions on this are:

Given I am impartial by not taking sides, together with I don't trade (not often and when I do I am usually selling BTC, so I have all the risk) so there are no scam accusations, no (active) flags against me and since I took over the Known Alts thread it is no secret that I have taken a mostly hands off approach to investigating alts (so any investigations and their conclusions are multiple years old I.E. enough time to be proven or not).

What have I done to warrant "distrust" from you?

Please elaborate.


Have you given other distrusts to others who are similarly inactive in trading / non-scamming etc?

Please elaborate.


How can we work together to bring consensus between us, so that I "trust" you and that you no longer "distrust" me.  To clarify, if you are unprepared to work through differences you have with others, then I don't believe you should be a merit font.  To further clarify, I neither trust you, nore distrust you simply because our paths have never crossed.

Please elaborate.

[Last of the V8s]

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Would you say that you are a part of any Clubs, Groups, or indeed Gangs here on Bitcoin talk? Please elaborate.
Yes, the Wall Observer chat group. I'm an established member of the bitcointalk forum at large, not an OG, not a complete noob, and have been engaged in mining, collectibles, beginners, dev'n'tech, meta, alts, locals. The gangs thing was funny, but unreal.
Do you feel that you are unbiased? Please elaborate.
No, meriting is subjective. I have strong opinions. I do merit posts that are well-composed and make a good point, even if I disagree. And I merit in threads that hold my interest, ie from my watchlist. I will have to go beyond that if I need to get rid. Meriting is inevitably something of a circle, you rate the people you rate.
How would you distribute merits? One per post? Ten merits per post? Some skewered in one direction, but not another? Please elaborate.
Depends on how many I might be allocated. For now, one per post, two for something very good that got no others, but as I said somewhere in this thread, more for a post to help a user that I rate to rank up, and I look to see how many total merits a posts get within current norms. If I get allocated a tonne to give, I will find a new balance.
Given you are wanting to be seen to be accountable (my words, not yours) I can't help but notice this:
I should have said I want to be openly accountable in meriting, but am happy to address your veer towards off topic into trust here. If the discussion extends much further we ought to split the thread off.

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~Timelord2067's judgement is Distrusted by: Last of the V8s
My questions on this are:
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What have I done to warrant "distrust" from you? Please elaborate.
You should have said "distrust my judgement". You made in my judgement spurious flags against Bruno's old accounts. You put unclear comments in people's trust pages, such as 'Bruno is back from the dead' when there is no evidence. Some of your statements cannot be believed. There should be no need for interpretation, for example that you might be joking or flippant.
Have you given other distrusts to others who are similarly inactive in trading / non-scamming etc? Please elaborate.
Yes. The tilde function within the trust system means you do not trust someone's judgment. There's a slippery slope from making unsupportable accusations to disingenuous-ness and worse. You do scrabble to stay near the top of the slope, but I do not trust your judgement in matters of trust. You should not be there on that slope, to start with.
How can we work together to bring consensus between us, so that I "trust" you and that you no longer "distrust" me. To clarify, if you are unprepared to work through differences you have with others, then I don't believe you should be a merit font. To further clarify, I neither trust you, nor[e] distrust you simply because our paths have never crossed. Please elaborate.

You can look at the feedback I give and at my trust list. Decide whether you trust my judgment, and that of those I trust, and react accordingly.

I've done that already for you. If you want to quiz me on another trust action I made, welcome, but best do a new thread for it. I've stated above in blue why I ~ you, that is, why I distrust your judgement in matters of the trust system, by giving examples of your actions. If you want to discuss my meriting, have at it here.

Our paths have crossed in the sense that we have read each other's feedbacks and studied each other's lists. We haven't given each other red or black trust because we have not traded, but you are asking questions about judgement.

[Timelord2067]

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You haven't answered the last question:

How can we work together to bring consensus between us, so that I "trust" you and that you no longer "distrust" me.

[Last of the V8s]

You haven't answered the last question:

How can we work together to bring consensus between us, so that I "trust" you and that you no longer "distrust" me.

I largely have. I would further want you to re-evaluate your methods in light of what I replied all above, and to re-jigger your feedbacks and list to conform very much more to current guidelines and advice, which both abound. I believe I've done that for mine as such things have progressed, but you can quiz me, publicly in another thread or via pm if you need. Putting me on your trust list is your own judgment call. Are my feedbacks worth having at the top of your trust page rather than the middle 'untrusted' section / not shown? And does my list show others with good feedbacks to your mind?

[Timelord2067]

... re-jigger your feedbacks and list to conform very much more to current guidelines and advice, ...

You mean like your own 77 I take it?

Must have taken you hours to go through your posts with a fine-toothed comb. 

[Last of the V8s]

My posts? What have they to do with the price of fish? Don't answer that, I don't mind. Keep to the topic. Make a new thread if you want, where I can defend or tickle up these 3 quite defensible feedbacks.

[Hueristic]

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You haven't answered the last question:

How can we work together to bring consensus between us, so that I "trust" you and that you no longer "distrust" me.

Of course he did, he stated to start another topic if you want to discuss that as it is off topic in this thread.

You are going to get more distrust if you cannot even follow that logic.

[Timelord2067]

My posts? What have they to do with the price of fish? Don't answer that, I don't mind. Keep to the topic. Make a new thread if you want, where I can defend or tickle up these 3 quite defensible feedbacks.

Keep to the topic? Sure, your "worthiness" to be a merit font.

Would you agree that this is a false statement given your previous rhetoric?



Or, was your previous statements false and your trust feedback is correct?  The two are contradictory.


... and when do you make the assertion there was a sudden turn-around?

Please Elaborate.

[nutildah]

I endorse V8 as a merit source!

I want to throw my hat into this ring and recommend v8s as a merit source as well.

I've watched this young man coming up over the years to make a name for himself as one of the most steadfast of bitcoiners, setting an exemplary example for us all. He has masterfully ascended the lower ranks (maybe it was just Hero to Legendary since I knew him) to become one of those forum jack-of-all trades that people (should) hold in high reverence.

Basically, v8s gets around the forum quite a bit, displays good judgment when sprinkling merits, and echoing many others in this thread I was surprised, nay shocked, to discover that he wasn't already a merit source. I'm certain his merit sourceship would be a clear benefit to the forum and can think of nary another I would consider to be more befitting of the position.

Keep to the topic? Sure, your "worthiness" to be a merit font.

Please, his merit source application has nothing to do with your qualms with his trust list. They are two entirely distinct issues. Start your own thread on the matter.

[Globb0]

Who made you the Queen?

Why not jump back in your tardis and do one.

This request to be a merit source is a good one. Active member with good sources of material and kind of heart.

Save your personal campaigns for somewhere else.

[Timelord2067]

Still stalking me I see...

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Start your own thread on the matter.

I don't have to - I'm not the one wanting to be a merit font.

#Accountability

[nutildah]

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Start your own thread on the matter.

I don't have to - I'm not the one wanting to be a merit font.

#Accountability

There's very little overlap between the two areas. One requires you to be able to recognize good posts and users worthy of increasing their rank, and the other requires having good judgment when it comes to recognizing scammers or trustworthy individuals.

There's plenty of merit sources who aren't on DT, and plenty of DT who aren't merit sources. This seems extremely personal and unnecessary, especially as it isn't part of your standard set of "merit font questions":

What have I done to warrant "distrust" from you?

That's a subject that requires its own thread. I know you disagree, but a lot of the people that have you distrusted are also merit sources, so the answer isn't indicative of anything relevant to the topic of this thread.

Anyway, when it comes to V8's being a merit source, I approve. Not much more to say. Carry on.

[Timelord2067]

If you block this application, you are only reducing the amount of merit shared around. Is that what you want?

Loser

There are many people applying to be merit fonts, Last of the V8's is one.  I've asked the the same/similar questions of others and gotten far more respectful answers.

Loser

Oh woe is me - he called me names!


Do you realise you're the one dragging this discussion down with name-calling?

[wolwoo]

I support all merit source applications. It's nice to have an abundance of merits in the forum with a butterfly effect.

[lightfoot]

I'd support him. He seems to be a good egg and adds value to discussions while also helping to promote other posters who add value.

[Globb0]

Do you realise you're the one dragging this discussion down

Get a mirror, there is 1 person trying to derail this thread and rake up the mud. Then a lot of people saying great idea.


Sorry for the loser comment I get over enthusiastic later at night.

[Timelord2067]

Do you realise you're the one dragging this discussion down

Get a mirror, there is 1 person trying to derail this thread and rake up the mud. Then a lot of people saying great idea.

Sorry for the loser comment I get over enthusiastic later at night.

I appreciate the apology and the spirit in which it was given.


I will leave this thread with this for you (and LV8) to ponder:

https://archive.vn/xf6Co#selection-15541.0-15541.54

[bullrun2024bro]

I actually thought you were a Merit Source already, lol. I love to read your posts in the WO and I know you have an excellent judgement to decide if a post is meritworthy or not. I fully support this application. Thumbs up!