The logic of man in this devastating crisis

[JoeDemashow]

We are all greatly affected by this Pandemic, amidst this crisis how come some people cant follow simple instructions given to them by the government. Yes the government is corrupt and all but what can we do about their slow progress. In our country rapid testing to high volume infected places haven't even started yet.  Given the situation, how come man can still go out without a face mask, go to their neighbor and gossip till the sun goes down. To a certain degree, many people here in my country lack in education background but information about the virus is spoon fed to them, how come they still fail to comply.

[BADecker]

The answer is that the pandemic is simply a pandemic of fear. What it isn't is a pandemic of Covid-19.

When you put all the medical info together, you will see that people are dying of loads of things other than Covid, but that the medical and government are attributing the deaths to Covid rather than what the people are really dying from.

When people realize this, because some of them have gone out and mingled, they start to get back to the business of life. The timidly fearful remain huddled in their lockdowns. And that's okay. We don't need their fear contaminating society.


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[Cnut237]

The answer is that the pandemic is simply a pandemic of fear. What it isn't is a pandemic of Covid-19.

When you put all the medical info together, you will see that people are dying of loads of things other than Covid, but that the medical and government are attributing the deaths to Covid rather than what the people are really dying from.

If you don't believe it, then why not look at total deaths irrespective of attributed cause? Here's the UK total deaths over the last 4 months, compared with the 5-year average.
Something has killed large numbers of people in April 2020. What do you think that might be?

[BADecker]

^^^ Proof?

However, the death pandemic has worked so well so far, that only about 7.4 billion of all the people who have ever lived, are still alive. And most of these will be dead within about 75 years.

[Cnut237]

^^^ Proof?

Apologies, I normally provide a source but forgot to in this instance. Figures are from the Office of National Statistics. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths

If you want more detail, this is probably a clearer example:
https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-febf-4a66-8d1c-ea3e48bbc034



Note - excess mortality is higher in some parts of the UK than in others - but there is an excess in every region.

I know what's coming next - no, I didn't count the individual deaths myself, so I am relying on data obtained by professionals.
Just do a Google image search for 'excess deaths 2020' or similar.

[BADecker]

^^^ Proof?

Apologies, I normally provide a source but forgot to in this instance. Figures are from the Office of National Statistics. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths

If you want more detail, this is probably a clearer example:
https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-febf-4a66-8d1c-ea3e48bbc034



Note - excess mortality is higher in some parts of the UK than in others - but there is an excess in every region.

I know what's coming next - no, I didn't count the individual deaths myself, so I am relying on data obtained by professionals.
Just do a Google image search for 'excess deaths 2020' or similar.

At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?

However, you can see that the population is growing. So, why not the deaths, as well? If the deaths weren't growing, the population would be growing a lot faster.

Must be fun counting ahead.

[JoeDemashow]

At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?

However, you can see that the population is growing. So, why not the deaths, as well? If the deaths weren't growing, the population would be growing a lot faster.

Must be fun counting ahead.

In order to count or estimate the probable population, the government do statistics and its commonly known as "census". Through this process the government can plan out projects and how to allocate the budget for each year. Now if you will look at the image below, it shows japan's population. Now lets say the virus killed at least 1/4 or 1/2 of the population, either young or old. If that is the case, then japan would suffer a great depression because those killed are part of the working force of their economy.  Yearly there are deaths and it is replaced by new members of the society ( although japan have a different case)

https://images.populationpyramid.net/capture/?selector=%23pyramid-share-container&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.populationpyramid.net/japan/2019/%3Fshare%3Dtrue

source for usage of census: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-10973-8_2

[BADecker]

At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?

However, you can see that the population is growing. So, why not the deaths, as well? If the deaths weren't growing, the population would be growing a lot faster.

Must be fun counting ahead.

In order to count or estimate the probable population, the government do statistics and its commonly known as "census". Through this process the government can plan out projects and how to allocate the budget for each year. Now

source for usage of census: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-10973-8_2

Time to do death stats ahead and see how they match with Covid around.

Census doesn't come to my apartment. They go to the office and get the statistics for everybody in the complex.

[JoeDemashow]

Sorry mate , I was still editing it and accidentally clicked post

[Cnut237]

At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?

Not sure of the relevance of this. From your link:

The statistic shows the total population in the United Kingdom from 2014 to 2018, with projections up until 2024.

... so it's not a crystal ball, it's a (mathematical) projection.

Why are you interested in 2024? In the charts I shared 'Apr 24' simply means 24th day of April, not the year 2024. Red line is this year, grey line average of recent years.

[BADecker]

At https://www.statista.com/statistics/263754/total-population-of-the-united-kingdom/ you can view the total UK population from 2014 to 2024. What!? How do they know what the population will be in '20, '21, '22, '23, and 2024? Crystal ball?

Not sure of the relevance of this. From your link:

The statistic shows the total population in the United Kingdom from 2014 to 2018, with projections up until 2024.

... so it's not a crystal ball, it's a (mathematical) projection.

Why are you interested in 2024? In the charts I shared 'Apr 24' simply means 24th day of April, not the year 2024. Red line is this year, grey line average of recent years.

We all need to think better. Have you ever seen the little statement: "82.4% of statistics are made up on the fly," or some other such statement?

If they can make up statistics for 2024, maybe they made up the stats for 2018. How do you know what anything means regarding stats?

Sure, the little people in the various localities are probably reasonably honest. The tell their superiors what the stats are that they, personally worked with. But by the time it gets to the top to get printed on the Internet, how do you know those stats haven't been massaged in some way by some man in between?, or by the main man who runs/authorizes what gets put up on the website?

For example. You personally might not like the movie Plandemic. But Google, Facebook, Youtube, and others, are censoring it as much as possible. Yet, it has loads of good info in it, and tons of info that is just statistics (like the ones in the posts above), and isn't irritable at all.

If they can do this, why not the statistics makers in the statistics websites? After all, you trust them. All they have to do is hide from you the fact that they might be manipulating the statistics.

[franky1]

new topic same BS from badecker

seems he took one step forward and is now going back to old january scripts again.
seems badecker is stuck in the past yet again

he doesnt realise that the statistics for upto april. were released in May because it is May right now
its not january. its not looking at future predictions. but looking at actual numbers of actual deaths.

what he also doesnt realise is and keep forgetting is the facts.
that U.S CDC and UK ONS have higher numbers than the US department of health and UK department for health

media is actually publishing the lower numbers from health departments that show only those deaths of actually caused by symptoms that progressed because of covid.

EG a car crash death due to crush injuries but covid asymptomaticly tested positive wont be a covid death.

so many times badecker needs to be reminded of facts. because he keeps trying to forget facts in new topics

yea badecker says 'medical evidence' but his freeman cult worship groups and anti-vaxx fangirls are not saying the medical evidence. they are saying their opinion based on random information they take out of context

but i know one thing for sure.
badecker will just enter another topic and pretend he never got corrected and just try to advertise his commercial group wanting people to buy into stupid stuff

[BADecker]

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[Mometaskers]

To a certain degree, many people here in my country lack in education background but information about the virus is spoon fed to them, how come they still fail to comply.

Or maybe they just don't care. I also see those people around here. Like, there are already cases here in my neighborhood but they just don't really care.

That could be the only explanation. It's impossible that they haven't seen it in the news or heard about some family nearby getting hauled off to a facility.

[BADecker]

To a certain degree, many people here in my country lack in education background but information about the virus is spoon fed to them, how come they still fail to comply.

Or maybe they just don't care. I also see those people around here. Like, there are already cases here in my neighborhood but they just don't really care.

That could be the only explanation. It's impossible that they haven't seen it in the news or heard about some family nearby getting hauled off to a facility.

Or, maybe they are smart enough to realize the whole thing is a hoax.

[Mauser]

We are all greatly affected by this Pandemic, amidst this crisis how come some people cant follow simple instructions given to them by the government. Yes the government is corrupt and all but what can we do about their slow progress. In our country rapid testing to high volume infected places haven't even started yet.  Given the situation, how come man can still go out without a face mask, go to their neighbor and gossip till the sun goes down. To a certain degree, many people here in my country lack in education background but information about the virus is spoon fed to them, how come they still fail to comply.

The worst thing about this crisis is that you don't see it. Especially for young people it's to live with it as you just hear it from the news. If you don't have any friends or family members infected with COVID 19 there are no touching points. The sick people are at home or in hospitals. It's kinda of an abstract connection to the disease.

And if you don't have any elderly people around you, like your grand parents are far away and your parents still fairly young. I think the people lose interest in following the rules anymore. As most of the times you just worry about things that are close to you, where you have a real connection.

It really sad our culture here in the west compared to the east. For asian people its so common to wear a mask and be responsible towards  the people around you. I hope our mentality is shifting more and more now.

[Krislaw]

Some people are not used to this maybe because of their extrovert lifestyle. I'm sure most introverts won't have problems with staying indoors.

Some believe that they also have a strong immune system because they are still young. The issue here is the youth not practicing safety among themselves, assuming they are,I think others in that environment will also want to do the same.

[BADecker]

The more logical people realize that the pandemic is a hoax. They are confirmed in their knowledge by things found here https://bolenreport.com/what-do-we-actually-know-about-viruses-like-covid-19/ AND here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q/videos AND a whole lot of other places as well.

Btw, here's the cure which works just fine - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252003.0.

[Guryon_master]

We are all greatly affected by this Pandemic, amidst this crisis how come some people cant follow simple instructions given to them by the government. Yes the government is corrupt and all but what can we do about their slow progress. In our country rapid testing to high volume infected places haven't even started yet.  Given the situation, how come man can still go out without a face mask, go to their neighbor and gossip till the sun goes down. To a certain degree, many people here in my country lack in education background but information about the virus is spoon fed to them, how come they still fail to comply.

I guess we are in the same country Philippines. Majority of Filipinos are really stubborn, they are demanding help from the government but they  can't follow even to the simple instructions.
When the problem arises the blame is pass to the government which is done because of their disobedience. I think nothing can change to this spoon fed creations.

[20kevin20]

Something has killed large numbers of people in April 2020. What do you think that might be?

There's this book, it's called.. "How to Lie with Statistics", and before you call it a no-name.. Gates has done a very brief review of this book he considers excellent.

"The secret language of statistics, so appealing in a fact-minded culture, is employed to sensationalize, inflate, confuse, and oversimplify" - Darrell Huff (Author)

"One chapter shows you how visuals can be used to exaggerate trends and give distorted comparisons. It’s a timely reminder, given how often infographics show up in your Facebook and Twitter feeds these days." - Bill Gates

Interesting.

Read this:

Have you ever considered what the current crisis has done to the hundreds of millions around the world having no more job and some people going into absolute poverty?

Maybe there are more deaths because more than half a million of people from UK have joined a suicide prevention course in the last 3 weeks alone? Maybe there are more deaths because poverty is now on the rise? Maybe it's because ventilators may do even more damage to the lungs? Or maybe it's the fact that people die at home because they aren't treated anymore for anything except COVID-19... or maybe the fact that hospitals get paid $13k per COVID-19 positive patient and $39k per COVID-19 death... OR maybe it's the fact that more people have died in Austria from heart attacks than COVID-19, as lockdowns lead to some pretty bad mental and physical states? Or... perhaps... it could be due to multiple reasons including the above...

I don't know, I'm just wondering...

In march 2020, Knox County (USA), in a matter of two days 9 people killed themselves which is 10% of the entire number of suicides from 2019. 10% in 2 days.

So many people give 0 f's about the situation others have been put into. We're shouting WEAR MASKS and STAY HOME in everyone's ears but you have food to eat while millions have gone from an okayish fiancial status to poor in under half an year.

I've seen so many riots and protests with thousands of people and yet I haven't seen a single video of someone falling randomly on the street from a supposedly extremely bad virus during these protests. It's been 6 entire months and I still have to hear of ONE person that's been infected with severe symptoms. But you know what? I have more than 5 families I know that are afraid they won't have food to eat anymore, nor will they have any money to buy with within 2 weeks.

Tell me again that "I should not underestimate the situation of the pandemic just because you live in a city where you don't know any infected" - well excuse me, but there are more than 1M people living around me and I think it's a significant number and I should've heard of at least 1. ONE. One in 6 f'ing months of a supposed pandemic that kills everything and everyone it meets.


Hey, if anyone reading this is so scared of this virus, then please stay home. Barricade yourself and never come in contact with any other human forever if you will.

But don't fucking force someone to die from hunger because you are afraid to ever contact a human again. 6 of my family members are going hunger mode within days and I will have to help them out by purchasing food and delivering it to them - which .. do you know what that means? It means that my money bag will be emptied faster and in a matter of months I might have to go into hunger mode as well. Why? Because I'm forced to do nothing for a pandemic that ONLY EXISTS IN STATISTICS AND ON TV. Are we seriously going this fucking pathetic? Turn the TV off, go outside and if you ignore the masks and those absolutely pathetic paranoid humans, you'll see there's nothing to fear. It's the nature, man, we're literally being afraid of the environment we came from.

So if in a matter of months you see hoards of millions destroying EVERYTHING in their way on the streets and robbing you, then don't say you did not expect it. The world is literally dragged into suicide, hunger and depression right in front of your eyes.

And then there are some members here calling me indirectly mentally unstable. Sorry for speaking the truth out loud and for possibly having less money than you. Didn't know there'd be a day when all this shit goes down to the middle class & poor being literally forced into killing themselves or dying from hunger by the richer, in the name of "saving lives".