Covid: Killing Fields of the Old and Sick?

[BADecker]

Things seem to be this way. Elderly people in health care facilities have been intentionally introduced to Covid-19, rather than quarantined away from it. And who did it? Main government people, who are supposed to be there to protect people.

Euthanasia (the killing of a class of people, but mostly aimed at the elderly) is murder, and against the law. But in this Covid crisis, it became possible to maybe get away with it. Why to do it? Then government doesn't have to live up to its Social Security agreements, and pay to help these people.

It wasn't only the introduction of Covid to the facilities. Old people are people. Many died because their visitors weren't allowed to visit any longer, and they lost sight of a friendly face, that was actually keeping them alive by keeping company with them.


Covid: Killing Fields of the Old and Sick?

The numbers are sickening and impossible to ignore. Throughout the United States the Coronavirus "pandemic" looks more and more like a war on the elderly and sick than a mysterious new virus that was so dangerous and unknown that the entire country (with notable exceptions – South Dakota for example) had to be completely locked down tighter than Guantanamo Bay.

Nationwide, 42 percent of the Covid-19 death toll was comprised of Americans who were confined to live-in care facilities. While at first it was easy to simply gasp at a disease so cruel that it seemed to target older people, now that the smoke has cleared it is becoming painfully – and criminally – obvious that the virus had some very powerful human enablers.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who has shamelessly used the coronavirus crisis to puff up his national political profile, ordered the elderly hospitalized with Covid back to their nursing homes where they could spread the virus like so many Typhoid Marys. Amid calls for a Federal probe into Cuomo's callous and deadly decision to rip elderly patients from their hospital beds and send them back to cramped senior facilities, Cuomo demurs, blaming…you guessed it: Trump!

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[madnessteat]

I have heard that there have been cases in Russia where people with suspected coronavirus have symptoms but whose diagnosis is not yet confirmed are placed in the same room as patients with confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19.

I think that old people ask fewer questions and resist.

[franky1]

glad to see that badecker is no longer in the 'january denial' stage and in the march-april stage of realising there is a virus and that countries were not prepared.
please dont go backwards now

so. now you have admitted the virus is real. you can actually start making releveant comments

so here are some issues and also some clarifications. yep even the clarifications are not good policy. but atleast it takes away the myths

mainly from UK experience but also mentions in places like america and russia and italy

care homes dont have their own lab to do testing. so if a elderly resident gets sick they are not immediately swabbed within an hour. instead the care home makes a request for a swab which gets delivered the next day, and sent back meaning results are unclear for 3 days.

in this 3 days some health policies/to accommodate supply limitations on PPE say carers/nurses. not to wear full top quality PPE unless they are handling a confirmed covid patient.
in many care homes PPE suppliers only send enough top quality PPE for that shift of limited staff nominated to certain rooms.
yes there has been mega problems with PPE where instead of a supply able to let all staff have as much PPE as they want/feel safe. they have been given limited supply.

also the residents are not going to be put into the rooms with confirmed covid patients until they themselves have been confirmed.
which means in many well prepared/capable care homes the care home is sectioned off into 3 sections
no covid, suspected, confirmed
but some care homes dont have the space to section off the homes into 3. so are left with only putting them into the confirmed area when confirmed.

its also worth noting. if you touch someone with covid. the incubation period is not 1hour-1day. it can be multiple days before its even multiplied to significant amounts. this means that if you took a test in the next hour you cant find out if you got it.
the incubation period takes days. and has to exponentiate/multiply to big enough numbers to be testable
so the 72 hours from requesting a test to getting a result. might actually be a week from first contact to confirmed test.

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badecker. do you now realise that a 'let them mingle' mindset you had previously. is more of a eugenics theory you have been pushing previously.. and now realise the benefits of self isolation.

[BADecker]

It's the principle, F-1. Not the fact of a Covid virus pandemic. The pandemic is a fear pandemic, not a virus pandemic.

[michellee]

I heard from some news telling that older people can be the next victim of the Covid because their immune has reduced a lot and their body cannot work as young people. The government states that workers who are in 45 above can work from home because they are susceptible to the virus, and they can get infected easily than young people.

But if that is the case, I think that will be a killing field for the older people because the population of the older people in many countries still high, and I don't think that the government can put them in the health care facilities to all older people. I hope that older people will still have the freedom to live in because no matter we realize or not, we can be like this because of the older people.