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May 31, 2020, 04:34:09 AM
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A couple of weeks ago, I posted here my theory that the virus was released intentionally by China and the Western elites to effect a reset of the global financial system.  It was quite a lively discussion!

We have one more important piece of evidence now.

It appears that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is a truly effective treatment for early patients, that can potentially be a game changer in the fight against covid-19.  See reports here, here and here.

I know the controversial US President Trump is a big supporter of this treatment, but this is a time to put politics aside and look at the science.

In the US, two high-profile reports have just been published against using the treatment, and have generated much coverage in the mainstream media, with predictable results.  (One comes from the US Veterans' Health Administration, and the other is published by The Lancet.  I won't provide the links because they're everywhere!)

Chris Martenson of PeakProsperity.com has argued that both studies are flawed, because the key to effective treatment is starting treatment early, plus the inclusion of zinc, and neither of these studies consider those factors.  French doctor Didier Raoult, an advocate of HCQ, also finds major problems with the studies.  (He has written an open letter to The Lancet in protest.)  In addition, Martenson has looked at the design of 3 major future US-based studies on HCQ and found them 'designed to fail' by not accounting for early treatment and zinc.

One has to ask the question, why, oh why?

If HCQ is indeed an unfairly maligned, highly promising treatment, it does look as if the entire US establishment, not just the anti-Trump politicians and media, and not just big pharma (who stand to profit from much more expensive future vaccines and treatments, whereas HCQ is a generic) is against HCQ, and are desperate to make sure patients don't get cured.  This would be consistent with my theory that the Coronavirus was released in order to effect a controlled, gradual reset of the financial system.

I have not seen a rebuttal of the arguments by Martenson and Raoult.  Raoult also complains that raw data was withheld from public review in the case of the Lancet report, against tradition.

Again, one has to ask, who has (have) this kind of power and ambition, to destroy what appears to be the biggest hope for the biggest problem facing the world?

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May 31, 2020, 05:07:35 AM
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Considering COVID as a tool of resetting the global financial system sounds like a conspiracy. I mean the system could be changed in a more humane way, what we see now is more like uncontrolled collapse.
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May 31, 2020, 07:15:09 AM
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my theory that the virus was released intentionally by China and the Western elites to effect a reset of the global financial system.
A military observer in my country based on valid sources stated that the virus was originally released by Western elites with Trump's knowledge, but at the end WHO leaked it to China so that China made a series of revenge attempts on Trump. including China bought up a very large number of personal protective equipment from many countries and sold back to other countries after a pandemic broke out in the world. China and WHO make false information about covid so that the world is fooled about the extent of its spread and its deadly effect.

Trump really idolizes Reagan and Xi against the agreement between Deng and Reagents is the beginning of the feud of the two presidents. In international politics, there are no eternal friends and opponents, only eternal interests. During a coalition with the American global elite, China felt that it would be more beneficial for its national interests and important to bring down Trump so that China could become a strategic American partner like Clinton and Obama days.


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It appears that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is a truly effective treatment for early patients, that can potentially be a game changer in the fight against covid-19.
Researchers from Brazil have found a drug that is claimed to cure corona 100%, namely treatment with a combination of hydroxychloroquine with macrolide antibiotic Azithromycin. But if treated with Hydroxychloroquine alone without a combination, the cure rate is only 57%.

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May 31, 2020, 07:44:12 AM
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I believe they simply took the virus as an opportunity to do whatever they want to do.
It is real and bad. The world is truely helpless. And it's about rebellion against GOD and things HE cherished. GOD (who is actually the true KING of this world) has full control over people/angels/satan, and HE can easily allow them to do HIS will or make mistakes.
If they keep "rebelling" against the CREATOR, it gets worse or something else bad will happen. HE knows all our thoughts, secret actions, etc

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May 31, 2020, 07:44:39 AM
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Maybe it's not that they don't want patients to be cured, but because the treatment is not completely effective. I don't know anything about medicine and such, but maybe the criteria they require for the patients they used to try HCQ, only fits for those who have the mild effect of the virus. Perhaps this HCQ does not guarantee to cure patients with severe symptoms, especially older people who are more vulnerable to the infected that's why they cannot approve it to be the cure for the virus. I bet WHO had already observed about this HCQ.

 Is this the only thing they can think of if they want a financial reset? The people are dying, not only because of the virus but also due to a lack of financial stability. I'm still in doubt about that they will put people's lives at risk just for a financial reset
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May 31, 2020, 08:08:33 AM
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If HCQ is indeed an unfairly maligned, highly promising treatment, it does look as if the entire US establishment, not just the anti-Trump politicians and media, and not just big pharma (who stand to profit from much more expensive future vaccines and treatments, whereas HCQ is a generic) is against HCQ, and are desperate to make sure patients don't get cured.  This would be consistent with my theory that the Coronavirus was released in order to effect a controlled, gradual reset of the financial system.

What's the bar you're setting? The FDA cleared off label use, doctors have been prescribing it for emergency use. Anecdotally, there are very few who vouch for its efficacy. Observational studies and now clinical studies are raising similar questions. You can poke holes in the data all you want but without any evidence to go on and only a couple crackpots alleging a vast conspiracy, this theory isn't convincing.

I don't understand why conspiracy theorists are so invested in hydroxychloroquine being a silver bullet, as if the most effective treatment was likely to be stumbled upon on Day 1. Remdesivir has similarly been a huge disappointment.

I have not seen a rebuttal of the arguments by Martenson and Raoult.

You're appealing to their authority and taking their words as gospel. I can't waste any more time watching this Martenson guy's videos where he surfs the internet, makes ridiculous unfounded conclusions based on random Medium articles, and acts like it's evidence of a vast conspiracy. You can't rebut that, which is why nobody bothers. This picture you're trying to paint where the entire medical industry can be controlled like puppets on strings also just isn't believable.

It's just like when a flat earther claims NASA satellite images must be photoshopped and that they alone have the authority to decide the veracity of their claims, and that these allegedly photoshopped images are proof that the earth is flat. It's totally circular logic with no proof involved.

We need more than a couple crackpots asking some unanswered questions and speculating.

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May 31, 2020, 08:22:18 AM
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I'm still in doubt about that they will put people's lives at risk just for a financial reset
The reality of what is happening right now is still shrouded in unsolved mysteries. The current set of evidence and facts is still in doubt by most of the world community. But it is not impossible Covid-19 is a very powerful weapon to be used as a rearrangement of the global financial system. If this is indeed true, Covid-19 is truly effective because its influence has damaged the global economy.

I do not really believe that this is propaganda, but whatever would be true if Covid-19 existed because the world needed improvements in the financial system, then I would say it was an extreme ideology. Killing a part of the population and making it a sacrifice to carry out a very cruel idea.

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May 31, 2020, 11:08:19 AM
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A couple of weeks ago, I posted here my theory that the virus was released intentionally by China AND the Western elites to effect a reset of the global financial system.

Why China AND the western elites?Do you think that China and the western elites are working together instead of competing?There are conspiracy theories that China released the virus in order to damage the western economies,but I've never heard about your conspiracy theory.What's the point of China and the western elite actually trying to damage the world economy and kill thousands of people?
Only a psychopath can imagine such a devious plan.

By the way,there is clear evidence that hydroxychloroquine has horrible side effects,so we should NOT consider it the panacea that is going to end the pandemic and cure all infected people.

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May 31, 2020, 11:55:27 AM
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A couple of weeks ago, I posted here my theory that the virus was released intentionally by China and the Western elites to effect a reset of the global financial system.  It was quite a lively discussion!

We have one more important piece of evidence now.

It appears that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is a truly effective treatment for early patients, that can potentially be a game changer in the fight against covid-19.  See reports here, here and here.

I know the controversial US President Trump is a big supporter of this treatment, but this is a time to put politics aside and look at the science.

In the US, two high-profile reports have just been published against using the treatment, and have generated much coverage in the mainstream media, with predictable results.  (One comes from the US Veterans' Health Administration, and the other is published by The Lancet.  I won't provide the links because they're everywhere!)

Chris Martenson of PeakProsperity.com has argued that both studies are flawed, because the key to effective treatment is starting treatment early, plus the inclusion of zinc, and neither of these studies consider those factors.  French doctor Didier Raoult, an advocate of HCQ, also finds major problems with the studies.  (He has written an open letter to The Lancet in protest.)  In addition, Martenson has looked at the design of 3 major future US-based studies on HCQ and found them 'designed to fail' by not accounting for early treatment and zinc.

One has to ask the question, why, oh why?

If HCQ is indeed an unfairly maligned, highly promising treatment, it does look as if the entire US establishment, not just the anti-Trump politicians and media, and not just big pharma (who stand to profit from much more expensive future vaccines and treatments, whereas HCQ is a generic) is against HCQ, and are desperate to make sure patients don't get cured.  This would be consistent with my theory that the Coronavirus was released in order to effect a controlled, gradual reset of the financial system.

I have not seen a rebuttal of the arguments by Martenson and Raoult.  Raoult also complains that raw data was withheld from public review in the case of the Lancet report, against tradition.

Again, one has to ask, who has (have) this kind of power and ambition, to destroy what appears to be the biggest hope for the biggest problem facing the world?

Some things that I would like to mention here :-

1. Hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment against the Corona Virus . Remember that it is mostly used in the tropical countries to combat Malaria. The malarial parasite " Plasmodium " is not a VIRUS . The only reason it is effective in some cases is because it is being carefully administered by the doctors to the patients , it is not exactly killing the Virus . * It cannot *, it's just preventing further complications in case of only a small number of patients.

Reports are different everywhere therefore we should be cautious with it . Everyday they are giving a new statement. Hydroxychloroquine can be effective in some cases but the percentage is not that big . Plus it won't work if you take it at home ! You need to be administered the drug by a certified medical professional that too when you do get the virus unfortunately.

Experts won't suggest you to take this drug at home!! Overdose and underdose can easily harm your body .

2. Drug For HIV is working in some patients ! Only if treatment is started early . Therefore it is a better option for us .

Unfortunately the president is a little out of the line here , I saw him telling people to take it as a preventive measure . You should not do that , I don't know why people are taking advice from anyone now a days .

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The synthesis of this drug along with the HIV drug is located at certain developing countries where one of them is engaging in a war with China . Trump have good relationships with India therefore I do think that they can politically somehow make sure the drug reaches the US on time if needed.

In contrast to Trump asking drug from India , he have actually said he is going to help mediate between China and India if needed.

Everything is with a reason here .

I am not against the treatment with the antimalarial drug , but am against people who are taking advice from a non medical professional.
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It's not just economic reset . It is the reset of the whole world , the government , the factories. It's going to change everything real fast. The countries who won't be able to change will suffer for a long long time .

Plus until and unless we don't have a big scale clinical trial with respect to the drug we need to remember that it is not a good idea .

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May 31, 2020, 01:32:37 PM
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The reality of what is happening right now is still shrouded in unsolved mysteries. The current set of evidence and facts is still in doubt by most of the world community. But it is not impossible Covid-19 is a very powerful weapon to be used as a rearrangement of the global financial system. If this is indeed true, Covid-19 is truly effective because its influence has damaged the global economy.

We have no proof and evidence about this pandemic if this is intentional or not. But somehow, it seems so suspicious that the country where the virus originated are now recovering so fast. If this Covid-19 exists on purpose, maybe it is for the people to become more aware about the financial status of the government, it can also make people individually and the community, how to maintain and value their money to have budget during lockdown.

I do not really believe that this is propaganda, but whatever would be true if Covid-19 existed because the world needed improvements in the financial system, then I would say it was an extreme ideology. Killing a part of the population and making it a sacrifice to carry out a very cruel idea.

Everything happens for a reason, but now, it is true that the global economy is really affected and some government as borrowing money from the World Bank. People are not prepared for this Covid-19 pandemic to happen, that's why the government are still shocked and still looking for the possible solution to minimize the suffering.

Soon, I hope that everything that affected by this pandemic will go back to normal and recover so that all of us can move on, and grow better in the future.
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It is going to be even tougher now that all Americans are on the streets protesting as well. Now you might say what could go wrong in the whole world just because some people out there protesting?

Well, the reality is covid is still out there, some people who are protesting could be infected, which means they will share it a lot with others, and the second wave could be even bigger than the first, plus there is financial costs as well with all those companies closed down as well, these people who are rioting and destroying stores like target, will need stores like target when the second wave starts and they need to buy supplies. At the end of the day coronavirus is still a legit threat to American economy, and American economy collapsing hurts every nation in the world.

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May 31, 2020, 04:29:18 PM
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If HCQ is indeed an unfairly maligned, highly promising treatment, it does look as if the entire US establishment, not just the anti-Trump politicians and media, and not just big pharma (who stand to profit from much more expensive future vaccines and treatments, whereas HCQ is a generic) is against HCQ, and are desperate to make sure patients don't get cured.  This would be consistent with my theory that the Coronavirus was released in order to effect a controlled, gradual reset of the financial system.
This is a flawed theory in many levels, when the virus hit you do not have enough data to come to a conclusion that whether one treatment was better than the other and to test that out it needs time. Initial it was like an experiment trying out different drug and everyone's body does not respond the same to different medication.

Even during these experimentation the main objective was to prevent the virus from entering the cells and then to prevent it from multiplying and for that they were experimenting with different drugs that are existing and used for other viruses.

So the idea about the virus is released as part of an agenda to reset the financial system is absurd, conspiracy theories does not require any proof so it was fun reading your theory  Wink Cheesy.
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Maybe it's not that they don't want patients to be cured, but because the treatment is not completely effective. I don't know anything about medicine and such, but maybe the criteria they require for the patients they used to try HCQ, only fits for those who have the mild effect of the virus. Perhaps this HCQ does not guarantee to cure patients with severe symptoms, especially older people who are more vulnerable to the infected that's why they cannot approve it to be the cure for the virus. I bet WHO had already observed about this HCQ.
As far as I know hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is a treat for malaria and there has no studies yet that proves the HCQ is the cure for covid. However supply is USA of HCQ are already in short as they are assessing this drug along with antibiotic called azithromycin. There is another problem with every patients, other drugs that was experimented does not have the same effect in an individual, I'm afraid that the cure we need is not just a single formula.

Is this the only thing they can think of if they want a financial reset? The people are dying, not only because of the virus but also due to a lack of financial stability. I'm still in doubt about that they will put people's lives at risk just for a financial reset
I think so, this is the only way they could turn the tables in favor of them. But I really doubt that China would do such silly things like this, I know most of you guys hate China for some reason but I don't really think China will come up to this because they are already at the top of the economy. Can we just stop theorizing ? I mean is it still not enough to you guys what the USA has said about the virus? Their medical research team has already announce the nature of the virus and it is not man made. At least the financial reset was not deliberate.

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Covid-19 has totally affecting the world economy globally, with little experience both Government and citizen of different nation's has experienced, clear evidence has showed that financial capabilities of Nation's has been reset totally. For each country by now should have at least plan for any future occurrence of such pandemic that might brake out in future and to boost the economy stage of the country just not to go into recession in future..
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We have been seeing a lot of discussions about this conspiracy theory and I'm almost believing all these since its very timely to see how much finance has changed and then there is also politics and China is also winning the game. The elites want to reset the financial system to make them on top still while planing a war in Asia, this is what I've read on a facebook post  Cheesy

There was an article that Obama was the one who moved the virus laboratory which was actually from the US to then moved to Wuhan China. I don't know how the truth about it but this article comes up.

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Looking at what Donald Trump said in his latest Press briefing, it hints at China blocking travel to major cities within China from Wuhan when it was first discovered that there were a breakout of Covid-19 but no restrictions was placed on travel to any other country. So it looks like China wanted to curb the spread of the virus in their country and not into other countries.  Angry

We all know that China wants to be the economic power house of the world, so it would make sense that they would want this virus to spread to the rest of the world and not within China. ( I am afraid that this strategy <if it was true> ..back fired on them, because this outbreak ruined their reputation in the rest of the world. People will always say that the outbreak started in China and that they hid this from the world. )

The question... was this a financial reset or the spark of a global recession.  Huh

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I believe that the virus was not created by chance. Indeed, the whole world claims that the virus was developed in China, but countries are holding to the last so as not to flood China with litigation. Time will pass and countries will begin to investigate the appearance of this virus and why it was created.
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The FDA cleared off label use, doctors have been prescribing it for emergency use. Anecdotally, there are very few who vouch for its efficacy. Observational studies and now clinical studies are raising similar questions. You can poke holes in the data all you want but without any evidence to go on and only a couple crackpots alleging a vast conspiracy, this theory isn't convincing.

I casually looked into two of the biggest local hospitals (these are renowned institutions,) and they will only allow using HCQ for hospitalized patients, if at all.  This is at least about one week too late to have any effect, according to my estimates based on Martenson's progression timetable.  Also, HCQ is merely the delivery vehicle for zinc which is really the antiviral drug, and there's no mention of zinc on the treatment strategy pages of the hospitals.  I believe the FDA only allows the use of HCQ for, as you say, emergency use only.  This is too late.  It must be started with zinc as soon as possible after symptoms appear, where in most cases patients stay home for the time being.

I have three links in the OP that help 'vouch for its efficacy.'  There are also studies in China and Brazil that I didn't include.  In addition, Indian doctors are generally in favor of it.


I don't understand why conspiracy theorists are so invested in hydroxychloroquine being a silver bullet, as if the most effective treatment was likely to be stumbled upon on Day 1. Remdesivir has similarly been a huge disappointment.

There's no need to speculate like this when you have so much data in support of HCQ.  We are where we are, by luck or whatever.  Of course, nothing is good enough for the US political establishment and media, who demand formalized (and apparently slow) studies.  And guess what, the next major US HCQ studies, just as the last two, don't take into account time of treatment and zinc, i.e. they're designed to fail.  In fact, the Lancet study doesn't allow the public to review its raw data, to independently verify there is no cherry-picking of patients, etc.

I have not seen a rebuttal of the arguments by Martenson and Raoult.

You're appealing to their authority and taking their words as gospel. I can't waste any more time watching this Martenson guy's videos where he surfs the internet, makes ridiculous unfounded conclusions based on random Medium articles, and acts like it's evidence of a vast conspiracy. You can't rebut that, which is why nobody bothers.

What we get from Martenson's videos are pages from the reports of 'mainstream' studies.  He highlights the text he finds interesting, including sometimes the study's own indirect admission of its limitations.  He has a doctorate in pathology and is well placed to understand these studies in detail.  I don't take anyone's words as gospel, but when you have a set of published mainstream studies (which are more than well publicized by the media), and he is able to dive into them and show you how they're really invalid, you really would have to go into his reporting and show how he's wrong.

To me, it really is pretty simple.  It doesn't take a genius to understand that if a study doesn't compare HCQ, as administered properly, vs non-HCQ approaches, it's invalid for its purpose.  (In the VA study the patients tend to receive their HCQ too late, and the Lancet study openly refuses to release their raw data.  Raoult claims there are funny patterns in the published data of that study that arouse suspicion.  Also, the alleged adverse effects on the heart by HCQ seem possible to be explained by the late-stage status of the HCQ patients, whose hearts had already been damaged by the virus.)

No 'random Medium articles' are needed.  Agreed?


This picture you're trying to paint where the entire medical industry can be controlled like puppets on strings also just isn't believable.

This much seems clear at this point: all it takes to stifle HCQ in the US is to author a couple of hit-piece studies, and for the FDA to approve HCQ for emergency use only (at least in the case of hospitals.)  By the time 'emergency' happens, the patient is too far along for HCQ to help.  Therefore, no well-publicized data of its efficacy and safety.

Raoult's open letter is co-signed by several pages' worth of names-institutions of physicians across the world.  These are just doctors who are aware of him.  So you're right, it's impossible to control the entire medical profession.  I'm confident that HCQ-zinc will eventually emerge at least as one of the major treatments.  Unfortunately, many will have died unnecessarily and, if my theory is right, the elites will have had time for their financial reset.


It's just like when a flat earther claims NASA satellite images must be photoshopped and that they alone have the authority to decide the veracity of their claims, and that these allegedly photoshopped images are proof that the earth is flat. It's totally circular logic with no proof involved.

We need more than a couple crackpots asking some unanswered questions and speculating.

There's no need to 'allege' photoshopping when the images themselves tell you they're photoshopped.

Ultimately, how do you decide whose word is closer to the truth?  The Western establishment, including the media?  Or independent and/or anti-establishment voices?  Let's take a peek at the tip of an iceberg.

It's not disputable that Martenson came out in late January to say this virus will cause huge death tolls.  Let's not forget this was a time when the entire Western world of governments, plus China and Japan, were minimizing the problem as much as possible, and when the entire mainstream media repeated their misinformation as is.  ("5 cases in the US" when testing was almost totally missing in action, for example.)

Going back just a little further, when Syria's President Assad openly defied the US-led global order, the US started a war that ended up killing half a million Syrians.  If we are to believe the mainstream media, high-minded idealists such as Hillary Clinton and John Brennan were happy to spend enormous time, effort, budget and political capital simply to realize the dream of freedom and democracy in the Middle East, where rebels had spontaneously sprung up against Assad, initially armed with nothing but their courage.

Later in the conflict, leaked documents from the OPCW itself showed that its own investigators in one incident found Assad did not use chemical weapons, as claimed by the West.  The Western media immediately suffered a severe case of silence.

Going back further, when the US helped Saddam Hussein use chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war, the mainstream media was silent.  (After Saddam turned from friend to enemy, every time a chemical-weapon accusation was leveled at him by the US, it was always with the addendum 'on his own people.'  I always wondered why, but I now see!)

Going way back to the immediate postwar era, if you read 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man,' you'll see that small, weak, and poor countries were forced, yes forced, to borrow US dollars in amounts that the US knew they could never repay.  Once they incurred the debt, their entire populations would become an artificially cheap source of labor for the US (to help boost the value of the dollar,) their economies subject to severe boom-bust cycles, and their governments forced to toe the US line.  If it were not for a book written by a former insider, you think we would still be informed by something like a CNN investigative report?

Let's just say, it's not certain that the Western mainstream media should be trusted by default.

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1990 - Oil crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2000 - dot com bubble crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2008 - Banking crisis, Lehman bros, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2020 - Corona crises, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart

Debt economy is simply not sustainable, so it needs a restart every 8-10 years triggered by a volutarely created crisis.
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1990 - Oil crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2000 - dot com bubble crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2008 - Banking crisis, Lehman bros, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2020 - Corona crises, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart

Debt economy is simply not sustainable, so it needs a restart every 8-10 years triggered by a volutarely created crisis.

So you mean that this current crisis is voluntary created crisis? the one you shown us is indeed a good indication that is but of the all the restart that we had this Corona virus is the most hurting and alarming,if this was created to be a restart, those who created has no conscience.
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