Vietnam bursts an illegal casino who used to handle bets worth $3 billions

[michellee]

But for example I know some gambling games from the street, you can't find those games with cards, dices or some other kind of objects in any regular casinos!

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

[Saint-loup]

What kind of games are you talking about? Can you be more specific?

For example maybe it's forbidden to bet on cockfighting, but in illegal casinos you can watch fights, or they have it on TV and people watch and bet. Same like with dog fights and races, or any other kind or racing or fighting (maybe we can include here people fight to death, or I went too far?)... games that are forbidden by law, but people still do it! It's cruel but it exists.

You know illegal casinos where you can bet on people fighting to death?  
Where have you seen that please?

[crwth]

What kind of games are you talking about? Can you be more specific?

For example maybe it's forbidden to bet on cockfighting, but in illegal casinos you can watch fights, or they have it on TV and people watch and bet. Same like with dog fights and races, or any other kind or racing or fighting (maybe we can include here people fight to death, or I went too far?)... games that are forbidden by law, but people still do it! It's cruel but it exists.

You know illegal casinos where you can bet on people fighting to death?  
Where have you seen that please?

Are you interested in that "Saint"-loup? See what I did there? Lol

Anyways, I only have seen kind of things in movies, not in real life. I bet it's the same where the richest group of people who pay people just to fight. Isn't fighting sports something like that? It's not like up to the death thing but it's close. Maybe there are parts of it in the deep web.

[Latviand]

Vietnam authorities are claiming to burst an online casino that used to handle bets worth $3 billion, and what’s surprising is despite getting such huge volumes the casino owner never felt the need to get his casino registered and operate legally.

Holy shit! With all those massive profits and the owners never even bothered to operate legal for a lot much less fees?
Indeed, gamblers should open their eyes and be careful on which kind of casino they are dealing with.

That's the most disgusting news about casino owner that I've ever known. He didn't even think about where are those money that he collected came from. Gamblers should be really mindful and aware about the online casinos that they are accessing to prevent those fraud casinos to continuously operate and fool people.

I'm really not a fan of gambling but if you're are not that good at looking for the best and good online casino, then you should not do it.
Always check the reputation of an online casino so that you know if it is legit or it is worth it to play there.

And also you should tell the authority if you know someone who are running a casino that is not legally registered.

[Saint-loup]

What kind of games are you talking about? Can you be more specific?

For example maybe it's forbidden to bet on cockfighting, but in illegal casinos you can watch fights, or they have it on TV and people watch and bet. Same like with dog fights and races, or any other kind or racing or fighting (maybe we can include here people fight to death, or I went too far?)... games that are forbidden by law, but people still do it! It's cruel but it exists.

You know illegal casinos where you can bet on people fighting to death?  
Where have you seen that please?

Are you interested in that "Saint"-loup? See what I did there? Lol

Anyways, I only have seen kind of things in movies, not in real life. I bet it's the same where the richest group of people who pay people just to fight. Isn't fighting sports something like that? It's not like up to the death thing but it's close. Maybe there are parts of it in the deep web.

Thank you but I was talking to iv4n. And I don't think it's your alt account since you replied to him...  

[crwth]

What kind of games are you talking about? Can you be more specific?

For example maybe it's forbidden to bet on cockfighting, but in illegal casinos you can watch fights, or they have it on TV and people watch and bet. Same like with dog fights and races, or any other kind or racing or fighting (maybe we can include here people fight to death, or I went too far?)... games that are forbidden by law, but people still do it! It's cruel but it exists.

You know illegal casinos where you can bet on people fighting to death?  
Where have you seen that please?

Are you interested in that "Saint"-loup? See what I did there? Lol

Anyways, I only have seen kind of things in movies, not in real life. I bet it's the same where the richest group of people who pay people just to fight. Isn't fighting sports something like that? It's not like up to the death thing but it's close. Maybe there are parts of it in the deep web.

Thank you but I was talking to iv4n. And I don't think it's your alt account since you replied to him...  

Being part of the quoted post makes you part of the conversation as well. Better yet, you could specifically put "iv4n" on that question. You should've just deleted my quote on there and prevent this confusion.

[tranthidung]

Why it is so hot about the burst on the illegal casino in Vietnam? It is clearly that online casinos are illegal in the nation, for many years. There are plans to make them become a legal industry but it has never come closely to real law. The interesting fact is despite of many difference in laws and moral principles in Vietnam (or many Asian nations) and the Western nations, gambling are everywhere and locals keep gambling. Even they know their gambling activities are illegal, they keep gambling or operate gambling activities.

Governments know such activities, obviously, and there are corruptions locally. At the right time, such gambling holders will be caught and bring to law courts. It's a matter of time.

There are many sites, forums that advertise for gambling sites, and they have been still fine with laws.

[batang_bitcoin]

But for example I know some gambling games from the street, you can't find those games with cards, dices or some other kind of objects in any regular casinos!

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

Yup. This isn't new. A lot of this happens in many streets especially if those areas aren't being that much visited by the authorities. But they won't spent time hunting them down because bets there are not that much and they can't tax them because it's considered as a small time gambling place. But if they have a tip that a place is raking a lot of money, they'll start to act and pursue them.

[7788bitcoin]

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You are correct. Online casinos are illegal in Vietnam. There are real casinos in Vietnam but the government here does not allow online casinos. There are many people got punished in jails because of their online gambling/ casino operations as well as their participation in online gambling.

That means there are land based casinos which are legal and you cannot run an virtual based online casino. But what i do not understand is how they are able to pin point and bust these online casino as you can run anything virtually if you could register and run the servers in a safe heaven.

As I wrote above, even if online casinos' owners want to do so, they still don't have chances to get a license legally for their online casinos in Vietnam.

By reading the article it says the operations were done through agents by giving credits in return of physical properties and that is bound for disaster but you could run an online casino without having any office in Vietnam and registering in other countries and that is the advantage of an online casino.

[carlfebz2]

Why it is so hot about the burst on the illegal casino in Vietnam? It is clearly that online casinos are illegal in the nation, for many years. There are plans to make them become a legal industry but it has never come closely to real law. The interesting fact is despite of many difference in laws and moral principles in Vietnam (or many Asian nations) and the Western nations, gambling are everywhere and locals keep gambling. Even they know their gambling activities are illegal, they keep gambling or operate gambling activities.

Governments know such activities, obviously, and there are corruptions locally. At the right time, such gambling holders will be caught and bring to law courts. It's a matter of time.

There are many sites, forums that advertise for gambling sites, and they have been still fine with laws.

Then whats next?

They would surely bail out since they do have the money to do so and would continue on the same process all over again.
You are right, this isnt something new and this had just been a norm in most countries on where illegal acts are commonly happen
underground.If they havent been bust out then its understandable that someone is protecting from above which they do
know that they can milk it out.

This isnt something that should really be surprised on.

[michellee]

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

Yup. This isn't new. A lot of this happens in many streets especially if those areas aren't being that much visited by the authorities. But they won't spent time hunting them down because bets there are not that much and they can't tax them because it's considered as a small time gambling place. But if they have a tip that a place is raking a lot of money, they'll start to act and pursue them.

The local authorities will still ask the money for the security reason to the house so they can operate illegal gambling without any risk. I see that is happening not just in gambling but also in the discotheque, and that is like a mushroom everywhere. The security money is not too big, but it's enough to give "hot money" to the corrupt local authorities, and they will shut their mouth, pretending that everything is okay in their area.

[yazher]

This is how it goes on Vietnam, I wonder how much does it cost for the Casino to run in our Country. Here they legalize it but still, there are lots of illegal casinos running. especially in Capital City where most of them got busted by the authorities and most of the players are Chinese. Maybe they cannot run casinos in their own country because of huge payment that's why they came to us to play because the consequences if caught are just lightly deported back to their country.

[NavI_027]

Here they legalize it but still, there are lots of illegal casinos running. especially in Capital City where most of them got busted by the authorities and most of the players are Chinese. Maybe they cannot run casinos in their own country because of huge payment that's why they came to us to play because the consequences if caught are just lightly deported back to their country.

That's why I'm so disappointed with the claws of our justice when it comes to foreign violators. The hardest they can do is to deport them, that's all. But on the other hand, once our fellow people did a crime in abroad (even sometimes only due to self defense), the final verdict is usually death sentence . *sigh

Anway, what I see right now is that POGOs and the Chinese people associated with it (not all of them, only the bad ones) are not helping our economy any longer. They just add on the stack of problems of our country .

[batang_bitcoin]

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

Yup. This isn't new. A lot of this happens in many streets especially if those areas aren't being that much visited by the authorities. But they won't spent time hunting them down because bets there are not that much and they can't tax them because it's considered as a small time gambling place. But if they have a tip that a place is raking a lot of money, they'll start to act and pursue them.

The local authorities will still ask the money for the security reason to the house so they can operate illegal gambling without any risk. I see that is happening not just in gambling but also in the discotheque, and that is like a mushroom everywhere. The security money is not too big, but it's enough to give "hot money" to the corrupt local authorities, and they will shut their mouth, pretending that everything is okay in their area.

Yes but they won't be hunted because of that protection money. They're small and they know how much they can ask with that so there's no need to chase them for legal matters and separation. This is one of the realities that do happen probably not just in third world countries.
And that's the reason why there are movies that's being inspired with this kind of scene. Going to the burst, this will remind other casinos that they have to be registered.

[rodskee]

But for example I know some gambling games from the street, you can't find those games with cards, dices or some other kind of objects in any regular casinos!

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

Gamblers always find ways, they are so creative as long as there are other people who also wanted to gamble with them.
You can find lots of gambling activities outside the street.
Though even in a very strict countries this gamblers will continue to seek for ways to fill their urged into gambling, we mostly
seen that in a rural places and crowded areas.


This gambling activities will continue, you burst one place expect that someone will replicate it and start a new one.

[StephenJH]

But for example I know some gambling games from the street, you can't find those games with cards, dices or some other kind of objects in any regular casinos!

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

Gamblers always find ways, they are so creative as long as there are other people who also wanted to gamble with them.
You can find lots of gambling activities outside the street.
Though even in a very strict countries this gamblers will continue to seek for ways to fill their urged into gambling, we mostly
seen that in a rural places and crowded areas.


This gambling activities will continue, you burst one place expect that someone will replicate it and start a new one.

Nailed the point and I want to add few more things from my general observations. The people need to fill their personal gambling needs with this or another way no matter the law has forbidden it or it is legally accepted. In real practice, the gambling law preventative model shows its side effects such as the urge forces the punters to find alternative ways. Some underground casinos even hire the specific "professional" employee to shut down all electronics in case of police to seize the place.

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

Yup. This isn't new. A lot of this happens in many streets especially if those areas aren't being that much visited by the authorities. But they won't spent time hunting them down because bets there are not that much and they can't tax them because it's considered as a small time gambling place. But if they have a tip that a place is raking a lot of money, they'll start to act and pursue them.

The local authorities will still ask the money for the security reason to the house so they can operate illegal gambling without any risk. I see that is happening not just in gambling but also in the discotheque, and that is like a mushroom everywhere. The security money is not too big, but it's enough to give "hot money" to the corrupt local authorities, and they will shut their mouth, pretending that everything is okay in their area.

Yes but they won't be hunted because of that protection money. They're small and they know how much they can ask with that so there's no need to chase them for legal matters and separation. This is one of the realities that do happen probably not just in third world countries.
And that's the reason why there are movies that's being inspired with this kind of scene. Going to the burst, this will remind other casinos that they have to be registered.

Simple logic, the more restrictions get applied in this sector the more gamblers will attend the tournaments and other specific events. The casino owners are interested to make money with bypassing the government's casino or gambling restrictions rules but the interest grows towards the "no-entrance" places in practice.

[michellee]

The local authorities will still ask the money for the security reason to the house so they can operate illegal gambling without any risk. I see that is happening not just in gambling but also in the discotheque, and that is like a mushroom everywhere. The security money is not too big, but it's enough to give "hot money" to the corrupt local authorities, and they will shut their mouth, pretending that everything is okay in their area.

Yes but they won't be hunted because of that protection money. They're small and they know how much they can ask with that so there's no need to chase them for legal matters and separation. This is one of the realities that do happen probably not just in third world countries.
And that's the reason why there are movies that's being inspired with this kind of scene. Going to the burst, this will remind other casinos that they have to be registered.

The local authorities will not chase them, but only use them to add more "hot money" every month. As long as nothing bad happens in that place, everything will be okay, and the small casino in that place will continue their business while they still give that "hot money."

That movie gets their research by asking some people who play on that local casino and interviewing them so the director and the staff can start the movie. The movie shows reality about what happens in the third world, even in the big country, that happens too.

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

Gamblers always find ways, they are so creative as long as there are other people who also wanted to gamble with them.
You can find lots of gambling activities outside the street.
Though even in a very strict countries this gamblers will continue to seek for ways to fill their urged into gambling, we mostly
seen that in a rural places and crowded areas.


This gambling activities will continue, you burst one place expect that someone will replicate it and start a new one.

Yes, I agree with that. People can find a way to gamble, and they will not stop gambling in strict countries. If the local authorities catch them, the other people will search for another place to continue gamble.

[carlisle1]

Vietnam authorities are claiming to burst an online casino that used to handle bets worth $3 billion, and what’s surprising is despite getting such huge volumes the casino owner never felt the need to get his casino registered and operate legally.

Maybe the Owner/operator thought that Government wasn't aware of His large bets thats why he has not been alarmed of forced Himself to register for legalities .

Further he had deployed a very clever strategy where he had hired people to lure gamblers out, and then he used to pay those people fixed commissions for every deposits the gambler made through them.

He must be Smart and greedy but nothing is permanent and everything has an end,and now here comes the time and he will pay for everything he did.

Lastly I would request you’ll to wager only on reputed casinos, and check their history before you wager otherwise you may end up loosing your funds to fraudulent online casinos.

Sources:

https://calvinayre.com/2020/05/31/business/vietnam-biggest-ever-online-gambling-bust/

https://www.gamblingsites.com/online-casino/safe/ (Ignore those banners and links, but read those pointers)

actually those who entertained illegal casinos are surely part of the syndicate and they don't want to be taxed as well by the government.

[Genemind]

I guess the demand for gambling casinos is that high on Vietnam since there are only a few casinos and only land-based casinos which are only a few are allowed to operate. That is also the reason why this illegal online casino app was able to gather a lot of users. I also doubt if they can even get a license to operate even with the amount of money they are earning since it is illegal in Vietnam.

That is why it is best to use a platform that is already trusted to lessen the risk of your funds getting lost if you are using an illicit gambling platform.

[robelneo]

That is why it is best to use a platform that is already trusted to lessen the risk of your funds getting lost if you are using an illicit gambling platform.

That is if you are going to gamble with a huge amount like the amount mentioned in the title, but if you are only going to play just for fun you are ok with gambling site with a good reputation even if it is not yet licensed, it's right logic that if you are depositing a very huge amount it's better to a gambling site that is compliant to the government.