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June 01, 2020, 06:33:55 AM
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The UP button as you can imagine one can move the post upwards and bring it to the top of rest OR just below the original post.



Why?

Many times we make an original post and then put reserved post in the second and third place as per the requirement. Everyone is fine with that. But this second place might be for some specific updates.

In later times there might be instances we send an update that is important but posted in the middle of no where!

For exmaple: In signature campaigns, the manager might tell us about new openings, OR in some big threads like those of MERIT history, Bitcointalk updates where big debates are going on, some good announcements to be made etc etc.

In such case one can post it in middle of no where but to get the attention of everyone s/he can easily move that comment at the TOP by clicking the UP button.

Who?

Only the original poster will have this option available. Since in his thread he is the updater we concerned about.

There are many other threads, sections where this can be useful function.


Let me know what you think about this idea.
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June 01, 2020, 07:29:09 AM
Last edit: June 01, 2020, 07:43:44 AM by Upgrade00
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This is not a bad suggestion, but, I have an issue with it affecting the forum layout.
An alternative could be the edit option. If changes are made to threads, and the updates could get lost in the replies, the OP can edit the original topic, and bump up the thread so it increases visibility. If users are going to check the first pages to see a reply that was brought up, then they will likely not miss an update on the OP.
The reserve option is also being used and works pretty fine imo.

This quote from theymos suggests that he may not want to allow thread starters to have extra benefits:
The purposes of the unofficial rule are:
 1. Prevent excessive bumping, which is unfair to other topics.
2. Prevent people from monopolizing pages of topics, which is unfair to other posters.
 3. Prevent padding of postcounts and similar, which is basically spam.

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June 01, 2020, 07:39:48 AM
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Although I could have used this, I think it's a bad idea. I barely go back to read updates in the first post(s). Forum users read new posts, so if there's any news to add, add it as a new posts.

For exmaple: In signature campaigns, the manager might tell us about new openings, OR in some big threads like those of MERIT history, Bitcointalk updates where big debates are going on, some good announcements to be made etc etc.
You can edit the OP with the latest additions, and quote that part as a new post to bring it to the attention of existing readers.

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June 01, 2020, 08:05:29 AM
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For exmaple: In signature campaigns, the manager might tell us about new openings, OR in some big threads like those of MERIT history, Bitcointalk updates where big debates are going on, some good announcements to be made etc etc.
You can edit the OP with the latest additions, and quote that part as a new post to bring it to the attention of existing readers.
As far as I know, there's a limitation of length for each post. In some cases when the #1 posts reach limitation, they can't be added any new content. I think OP's idea fits those cases.
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June 01, 2020, 08:29:56 AM
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As far as I know, there's a limitation of length for each post.
Correct. That's what Reserved posts are for.

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June 01, 2020, 10:13:00 AM
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As far as I know, there's a limitation of length for each post.
Correct. That's what Reserved posts are for.

What I mean is, reserved posts are not really useful for updates. Like you said above, people mostly read new posts; new comers to the topic read (skim & scan) #1 also to get the topic idea. Then updates in #2 are more likely to be overlooked. Take this topic as an example, its author changed the important contents (duration, reawarding pool, rules, stakes...) in #1 instead of updating them in #2. Clearly skimming and scanning #1 is enough to get the latest information. But in case the OPs want to maintain #1's content then a new #1 for updates is perfect (like this topic suggests).

 
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June 01, 2020, 10:56:02 AM
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The UP button as you can imagine one can move the post upwards and bring it to the top of rest OR just below the original post.

Who?
Only the original poster will have this option available. Since in his thread he is the updater we concerned about.
There are many other threads, sections where this can be useful function.


I just imagine the idea of having a pinned post then I come up with this kind of idea that the OP can transfer on the top the thread.




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June 01, 2020, 11:01:06 AM
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We can think of easier solutions instead of creating a lot of noise because of how "UP Button" works as follows:

 - Add it to Layout Preferences: This option modifies how layout appears to you[1] and there are many options for displaying it, we can add "Show topic creator posts first."

Perhaps this is the easiest solution, but it may be at the end of theymos what-to-do list, as it requires a lot of adjustments with little benefit.

 - All changes in this forum need a lot of time so it is best to request this modification in Epochtalk.


I don't think anything will happen soon so it is best to use these codes if you want to send an important warning at first.
Code:
[iurl=#st6]XXX: [/iurl]
[anchor=st6]YYYY[/anchor]

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June 01, 2020, 01:37:26 PM
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Although I could have used this, I think it's a bad idea. I barely go back to read updates in the first post(s). Forum users read new posts, so if there's any news to add, add it as a new posts.

Indeed. Making an "UP" button would simply make a thread's conversation useless. I mean, first of all that's the sense of Forums, to interchange opinions like how a normal conversation works. Therefore, pinning a certain reply would just make a drastic change to the forum's chronological layout just for a feature that most would find confusing. Why confusing? Imagine having a reply at the 39th page of the thread because the exchanging of opinions is so profound, and just pinning it on the first page, how could others follow the topic nor how could they know what's the root of the pinned post?

I just imagine the idea of having a pinned post then I come up with this kind of idea that the OP can transfer on the top the thread.



Just the same as what the OP suggests, and it's kinda unnecessary. I think the best option is to include anchors to the main post that redirects to the good replies on that thread (which what @hugeblack had suggested)
I don't think anything will happen soon so it is best to use these codes if you want to send an important warning at first.
Code:
[iurl=#st6]XXX: [/iurl]
[anchor=st6]YYYY[/anchor]

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Click here to go to the warning link:





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June 01, 2020, 03:05:35 PM
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An alternative could be the edit option. If changes are made to threads, and the updates could get lost in the replies, the OP can edit the original topic, and bump up the thread so it increases visibility.
This quote from theymos suggests that he may not want to allow thread starters to have extra benefits:
The purposes of the unofficial rule are:
2. Prevent people from monopolizing pages of topics, which is unfair to other posters.

Well, bump is always an option to each thread. I mean if OP just comment in it then thread automatically comes up and users get directed to it.

But, over the time mega threads get fill up very fast and we literally have to go through each page and check the update. I mean by the time minute hand moves there would be 3-4 pages added already. The new reader will come and see people debating but has to go back and check what is it all about.

About the theymos rule, up button won't break it because it will be limited to the OP only and not everyone in that particular thread. If we are already given reserved option then by UP movement of later updates would be same thing only the extra benefit is that OP can do so at any time.


Although I could have used this, I think it's a bad idea. I barely go back to read updates in the first post(s). Forum users read new posts, so if there's any news to add, add it as a new posts.

For exmaple: In signature campaigns, the manager might tell us about new openings, OR in some big threads like those of MERIT history, Bitcointalk updates where big debates are going on, some good announcements to be made etc etc.
You can edit the OP with the latest additions, and quote that part as a new post to bring it to the attention of existing readers.

Yes, we don't go to the first post but when we reach the updates late, you have to find the new update in the newly added pages. The same thing which I said for above reply.

In your quoted link if you had UP button option then your list could have been continued to previous one! Easy track.

Of course I can quote, but it will be lost in the new pages.

For example;

See how people are behaving in this campaign thread, and how others are making efforts to tell new people that there had been an update which they should follow!!

OP's NEW UPDATE




PEOPLE telling OTHER PEOPLE to CHECK UPDATE





The UP button as you can imagine one can move the post upwards and bring it to the top of rest OR just below the original post.

Who?
Only the original poster will have this option available. Since in his thread he is the updater we concerned about.
There are many other threads, sections where this can be useful function.


I just imagine the idea of having a pinned post then I come up with this kind of idea that the OP can transfer on the top the thread.






This could be good idea as well. But for keeping layout to the current form just a small UP button would do most of the work.



So this idea could get 50/50 marks.

In some instances as LoyceV said they barely go to first page to check the updates. But lets think about mega threads like old campaigns, bounties, and debate threads there it can be helpful.

Also once everyone knows about this option then they will surely check the first page. It would take few days but everyone will get hands on it.

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June 01, 2020, 03:23:08 PM
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Perhaps this could be applied to sales threads? After all, the main highlights are on the OP itself.

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June 01, 2020, 03:30:02 PM
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If only the announcement from signature campaign that you point out above then its more convenient if will lock the thread he post the announcement since there is no significant reply from other user needed on Signature campaign thread. Some manager are doing this kind of method and it's really effective for doing some announcement. Besides that, Most of the user that posting on signature campaign thread are just spamming.

I believe locking the thread after leaving announcement post at the last part will be the best possible solution rather than a bump post because most of user here are paying attention on the last post especially if it was a very long thread already.  Cheesy

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June 01, 2020, 03:39:57 PM
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Yes, we don't go to the first post but when we reach the updates late, you have to find the new update in the newly added pages. The same thing which I said for above reply.
If you use the shifting feature of posts, then why mention users not going to the first post? And if that's not the answer, then a pinned post is, and I don't like the idea of a pinned post at the top of all pages. You are prone to congestion and redundancy when browsing the thread. If anything, a simple solution is the editing of the title (e.g. <origText> [UPDATE <xx.xx.xx>]) and of the first post.
See how people are behaving in this campaign thread, and how others are making efforts to tell new people that there had been an update which they should follow!!

OP's NEW UPDATE



PEOPLE telling OTHER PEOPLE to CHECK UPDATE

This could have been solved with the changing of the title. Suffixed with "[applications closed]", most would see it and not bother replying.
The implementation of this would seldom see use, in my opinion.

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June 01, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
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When a thread has changed to megathread, the OP can move the contents of the main post to the reserved post (second, etc.).
So the first (main) post can be replaced by links to the update post. The OP can also make links to the latest post updates more prominent like:

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If it is megathread it means that many users routinely or enthusiastically visit and discuss in that thread, so that over time they will know where to get the latest updates and they will never ignore the first post. So, I don't think it is necessary to add an up / pin button because the OPs can solve this problem themself.

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June 01, 2020, 08:01:37 PM
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The UP button as you can imagine one can move the post upwards and bring it to the top of rest OR just below the original post.



Why?

Many times we make an original post and then put reserved post in the second and third place as per the requirement. Everyone is fine with that. But this second place might be for some specific updates.

In later times there might be instances we send an update that is important but posted in the middle of no where!

For exmaple: In signature campaigns, the manager might tell us about new openings, OR in some big threads like those of MERIT history, Bitcointalk updates where big debates are going on, some good announcements to be made etc etc.

In such case one can post it in middle of no where but to get the attention of everyone s/he can easily move that comment at the TOP by clicking the UP button.

Who?

Only the original poster will have this option available. Since in his thread he is the updater we concerned about.

There are many other threads, sections where this can be useful function.


Let me know what you think about this idea.
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The idea is interesting, some other posts/ideas are also interesting and I think that the best way to do it would be to simply allow the original poster of a thread add an extra post as post #2.
This would allow him quote other posts there, reorganize and so on (and also use this feature as many times he wants). And will make people not need those "reserved" posts right after the first one "just in case".

Of course, the original poster may have to do reorganize/tidy up work now and then, but keeping things nice do require some work after all.

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