Danydee ban "appeal" - Please permaban

[suchmoon]

I've already explained my point of view Suchmoon, and I think it is pretty clear. If this kind of "appeals" are allowed, there is no reason to not allow the accused to be able to defend himself against it.

Yes, there is a very simple reason. If you're banned you're not allowed to make posts or send PMs, and there is only one exception to that.

It's an universal democratic principle. Even in North Korea people are allowed to defend themselves, at least in theory.
You say he could defend himself after his 7 days ban, but the "appeal" could also be made after this 7 days...(I'm not talking about random newbie/brand new members here -he's legendary-)

By that logic should everyone be allowed to defend themselves when their post is reported before mods make a decision on it? What does this have to do with being a Legendary?

Mods make a decision. The perp can then appeal if they think the decision is wrong. In this case Danydee already has a ban appeal thread so he surely knows the process and there is no excuse for ban evasion.

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[asche]

You say he could defend himself after his 7 days ban, but the "appeal" could also be made after this 7 days...(I'm not talking about random newbie/brand new members here -he's legendary-)

Which means nothing since it was a pre merit account.

Again you've stated your offtopic opinion. Please start another thread if you want to keep derailing from the topic, which is, does Danydee deserve a permaban for his doings. Period.

Thank you.

[Saint-loup]

You say he could defend himself after his 7 days ban, but the "appeal" could also be made after this 7 days...(I'm not talking about random newbie/brand new members here -he's legendary-)

Which means nothing since it was a pre merit account.

Again you've stated your offtopic opinion. Please start another thread if you want to keep derailing from the topic, which is, does Danydee deserve a permaban for his doings. Period.

Thank you.

I wasn't talking about that anymore but Suchmoon absolutely wants to talk about this subject and now seems to ask for a ban not for death threats but for ban evasion, as I understand.   At the risk of setting a precedent...

@Suchmoon : the rule doesn't say that a third person has the right to "appeal" either

The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

[suchmoon]

I wasn't talking about that anymore but Suchmoon absolutely wants to talk about this subject and now seems to ask for a ban not for death threats but for ban evasion, as I understand.   At the risk of setting a precedent...

Yes, I think Danydee should be banned for ban evasion. He replied to this thread, which wasn't even in Meta originally. Perhaps nobody reported, or mods didn't think it's worthy of a ban, not sure.

@Suchmoon : the rule doesn't say that a third person has the right to "appeal" either

Ok, now you're just taking the piss. The "third person" (asche in this case) is not banned so obviously the rule about banned users doesn't apply to them. They can create any thread about anything they want as long as they don't break any rules.

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I'm sorry, I'll stop feeding the troll.

[Saint-loup]

I wasn't talking about that anymore but Suchmoon absolutely wants to talk about this subject and now seems to ask for a ban not for death threats but for ban evasion, as I understand.   At the risk of setting a precedent...

Yes, I think Danydee should be banned for ban evasion. He replied to this thread, which wasn't even in Meta originally. Perhaps nobody reported, or mods didn't think it's worthy of a ban, not sure.

@Suchmoon : the rule doesn't say that a third person has the right to "appeal" either

Ok, now you're just taking the piss. The "third person" (asche in this case) is not banned so obviously the rule about banned users doesn't apply to them. They can create any thread about anything they want as long as they don't break any rules.

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I'm sorry, I'll stop feeding the troll.

I disagree with you but I don't call you a troll, gentleman. I'm sorry if my point of view offends you, but as I said earlier, it's my point of view.
I don't think the rule only applies to banned members. I think the rule implies that appeal is not open to everybody but is only reserved to banned members
And that it would be unfair if not.

[yogg]

I think the rule implies that appeal is not open to everybody but is only reserved to banned members

You can think that any sequence of words can imply anything, alright. We got it.
That is your right, and it constitutes your own personal opinion.

No need to repeat your point over and over.


I'll add some more context to how exactly the death threat happened, diving a bit into how the French local section functions.
Every now and then, threads get derailed.

Someone (usually the same handful of users) replies off-topic, and someone else replies to that point, further derailing the thread.

When it gets that far away from OP to become a whole new thread, Halab has been splitting these threads into new ones.
Usually the new-born split threads are in "Off-topic".


That's a screen of the 2nd page from the Off-topic board.
It happens quite often. Just browse through pages.


Originally the topic was about "Public keys/private keys", in the "Beginner" section : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250790.0

It was started by a Newbie user who just arrived to Bitcointalk. Similar events happened in other threads started by different Newbie users curious about BTC.

What happened after my last reply in that thread can be found here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252074.0

It starts with Danydee question me about my relationship to "mamache" ? (originally in the Newbie thread about keys)

In the flow of replies, I posted the following : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252074.msg54526771#msg54526771
Which translates to :

Yeah, clearly !

Otherwise, can't you just go happily shitpost and change titles of thread in Off-topic ? (Like the one now named "Us, fascist"*)


I don't know what's happening with you, but here we're discussing ECDSA key pairs.

If you don't feel concerned by the conversation, or that you cannot contribute otherwise than by derailing it, I wonder : what are you doing here, intervening further in the thread ?
Does it amuses you ? Don't you have other things to do ?

I think it's sad, in a sense it inspires pity more than anything else.

*: (thread belongs to Danydee)

Danydee replied that I didn't take the question well and insists, that he simply wanted to know if asche is my sister, and that he could PM me about it.

I replied to this that I dislike the fact Danydee think he can do anything, change thread names in the "Newbie" section, and benefiting from his "Legendary" status he should know the general rules of the forum and show a good example.


Then came this statement in his reply :

Pour ton autre réflexion je m'en fais pas trop beaucoup, je sais très bien que le t tabal arrangera la chose comme d'habitude,
Faudrait pas le laisser moisir lui aussi, il a bien besoin de bouger de temps à autre

About your other reflexion, I don't care much. I know very well that the tabal (Halab) will fix things as usual.
We shouldn't let him rot as well, he needs to move from time to time

My reply to this :

Okay.
Donc si j'ai bien compris hein : on s'en branle de foutre la merde car y'a le concierge qui passe le balai après, c'est ça ?
Tu t'es cru chez mémé ? Ayé, t'a gagné un feedback.

Okay, so if I understand correctly : we don't care to shit all over the place because there's the janitor cleaning up afterwards, is that it?
You think you're at Grandma's ? You've earned yourself a feedback.

Following that I left Danydee the following, neutral feedback :

Shitposter.
Enjoys to derail explanations towards newbies for fun.

His following message starts by quoting me saying that we don't care to shit all over since there's the janitor cleaning up, stating that :

"Halab is paid to do that !"

And in the same post came the pastebin with the death threat.

I replied with laughter, we carried on for a few posts. Then Halab split and locked the thread.

Danydee then renamed it, moved it somewhere in US boards, to move it back to "Off-topic", rename it "Your mom the beggar" and now it's named "HS 0".

The following day, the gore image popped, with the poll questioning "What does it inspires you ?".


Also .. How is the following relevant to Danydee's ban appeal thread ?
Why does it comes first in the post ? Why make his ban appeal a personal thing ? Is it a sick way to further push threats ?

It is a question of how relevant it is to Bitcoin and Bitcointalk.

Let me laugh,

So is that is what relevant to Bitcoin and, Bitcointalk !??

The picture is irrelevant to the thread, but it is relevant to Bitcoin as it has the Bitcoin logo on it.


I am concerned that with this user roaming around the board freely, it will remain very difficult to converse and get new users interested in the French local board.

Today, as Saint-Loup's contributions show, the french board suffers from the Brandolini's law.
("The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.")

Danydee demonstrates it perfectly and this is why I believe it would be a net benefit not to have him around.

[suchmoon]

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Thanks for the context. Looks like "Ignore" could help if/when he comes back after the temp ban. Seems to be shitposting for attention.

[Saint-loup]

Today, as Saint-Loup's contributions show, the french board suffers from the Brandolini's law.
("The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.")

Je m'attend toujours a un genre de désaccord, un débat qui reste cordial, mais pas à me faire qualifier de "religieux" puis de soit disant "problème" sur ce forum.
Non, les attaques gratuites sont quelque chose que je n'accepte pas, alors je creuse.
Je creuse pour comprendre pourquoi cette attaque et aussi pour souligner l'incohérence de mon interlocuteur.
En faisant cela, mon interlocuteur en général essaie de se dérober de n'importe quelle façon pour ne pas perdre la face, souvent en déraillant davantage le fil de discussion.

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[yogg]

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Thanks for the context. Looks like "Ignore" could help if/when he comes back after the temp ban. Seems to be shitposting for attention.

Thanks.
Yes it is indeed a good idea.
That won't remove the impression of being a big mess to a 1st time visitor, but heh, not my problem.

I am considering to completely remove the French sub-local from my Bitcointalk view.
It's like a vortex sucking me out of my time and energy.

I care, but in the end it isn't my problem if newbies are misinformed;
nowadays my contributions to Bitcoin are going far beyond any kind of reply to a sub local board.

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Indeed. No comment.
This quote comes from a thread; and is within the flow of replies after this post :

Tu vois le problème @BitcoinerNeo c'est que des personnes comme Yogg se sont transformés en religieux... Il a fait un long post pour te dire du vent et essayer de te convertir au dieu mort-vivant Bitcoin...

You see the problem @BitcoinerNeo it's people like Yogg became religious. He gives a long post just to say nothing and tries to convince you to convert to the living-dead Bitcoin god.

Brandolini law's in practice.

Baseless, personal attack after personal attack. It's happening very regularly.
All I tried to do is to vulgarize concepts for a newbie to get a hold of them.


Alright, so explaining Bitcoin to newbies on Bitcointalk is being religious.
This guy Yaplatu is among the handful of users shitposting all around the French board.


Yesterday I cared about the French local section to be relevant, to report off-topic, to remain clear and a good entry points for newcomers to get on their crypto journey.

But that doesn't work, it is impossible.

I do not know the situation in other local boards, but I've had enough.

[asche]

@saint-loup,

I strongly believe you should post in reputation about this matter. This has nothing to do in this topic.

Please stop derailing this thread. It is not meant to discuss your problems.

For what it's worth, looking at the feedback just before yoggs will provide you some information on the why.

[asche]

This is serious.

It is. And it's not the topic of that thread. Seriously.

[suchmoon]

Even my post has not containing any threat 

Like I give a shit. Posting a death threat on pastebin or whatever it was doesn't make it any better. If you can't refrain from doing that to other users you need to be labeled accordingly. Ideally by getting a permaban but in this case a red trust rating will have to suffice.

[dkbit98]

This guy also applied to be merit source in his so called merit source application topic.
Looks to me that his story will not end up so nice here, if he continues like this 

[asche]

Even my post has not containing any threat 

Like I give a shit. Posting a death threat on pastebin or whatever it was doesn't make it any better. If you can't refrain from doing that to other users you need to be labeled accordingly. Ideally by getting a permaban but in this case a red trust rating will have to suffice.

You mention another threat in your Feedback, which you reference to this thread. I see some posts have been removed. Did you archive it by any chance?

Or maybe I need to learn how to uses Loyce's viewer one day...

[suchmoon]

You mention another threat in your Feedback, which you reference to this thread. I see some posts have been removed. Did you archive it by any chance?

Or maybe I need to learn how to uses Loyce's viewer one day...

I'm told the issue has been resolved so I removed the red trust. Hopefully that means he's growing up but I'm not holding my breath.

[asche]

You mention another threat in your Feedback, which you reference to this thread. I see some posts have been removed. Did you archive it by any chance?

Or maybe I need to learn how to uses Loyce's viewer one day...

I'm told the issue has been resolved so I removed the red trust. Hopefully that means he's growing up but I'm not holding my breath.

Mine is staying until I see actual improvement.

I simply wanted to document what you witnessed. Can you give me a hint?

Thanks.

[Danydee]

Mine is staying until I see actual improvement.

I simply wanted to document what you witnessed. Can you give me a hint?

Thanks.

If I tell you that is not your business, you are going to claiming what ? 

Grosse !