multi account questions

[wolwoo]

Hii

-If we open a new account and give neutral feedback, is it legal? for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546

-"Opening multi accounts is legal" says in the forum rules. Why is this given negative? Would it be a problem unless it signed the same signature?

-The purpose of the multi account is: "expressing yourself more comfortably". How can I express myself more easily if I say "this account is mine"?

-A special question for veteran members of this forum: do you really have a single account like me or are you good at not getting caught?

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[eaLiTy]

-"Opening multi accounts is legal" says in the forum rules. Why is this given negative? Would it be a problem unless it signed the same signature?

Negative ratings are given to users who abuse the forum with vouching with your alt account and joining signature campaigns with multiple accounts. If you are not joining the same campaign with your alt then no one will red paint your account.

-The purpose of the multi account is: "expressing yourself more comfortably". How can I express myself more easily if I say "this account is mine"?
 

Since majority of the users are using an alias what is stopping you from expressing yourself.

[wolwoo]

-"Opening multi accounts is legal" says in the forum rules. Why is this given negative? Would it be a problem unless it signed the same signature?

Negative ratings are given to users who abuse signature campaigns with multiple accounts. If you are not joining the same campaign with your alt then no one will red paint your account.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1327134
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1213661

Trying to match these two accounts. I don't understand these things. The two are in different signatures! So why was negative?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252627.0

Since majority of the users are using an alias what is stopping you from expressing yourself.

sometimes people cannot express their opinion openly on issues such as religion and politics. He expresses himself more freely with a different account because he is afraid to get a reaction.

[eaLiTy]

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1327134
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1213661

Trying to match these two accounts. I don't understand these things. The two are in different signatures! So why was negative?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252627.0

Self vouching in the merit source application thread. There are users in the past getting demoted from mod position and getting tagged for self vouching.

sometimes people cannot express their opinion openly on issues such as religion and politics. He expresses himself more freely with a different account because he is afraid to get a reaction.

One account to play the saint and one account to play the evil persona  . I have seen users doing that but with a funny twist rather than outright evil .

[Stedsm]

Not just limited to self vouching and abusing signature campaigns, but these accounts can just play merits-merits and send their sMerits to each other just to reach their desired rank if they've got enough activity. No matter how they engage in the community, they will just try to merit each other's posts.

@OP, you asked whether we are good at hiding? I believe that even if some veteran members may be having an alt, they have already exposed it here and they themselves warn on that profile not to trade with it as it is an alt just for some other small work (which doesn't include participating in sig camps at all).

[wolwoo]

Not just limited to self vouching and abusing signature campaigns, but these accounts can just play merits-merits and send their sMerits to each other just to reach their desired rank if they've got enough activity. No matter how they engage in the community, they will just try to merit each other's posts.

@OP, you asked whether we are good at hiding? I believe that even if some veteran members may be having an alt, they have already exposed it here and they themselves warn on that profile not to trade with it as it is an alt just for some other small work (which doesn't include participating in sig camps at all).

ok! thanks I understand. reason: merit+trust abuser...(note: I have no definitive judgment on the above topic.)

which doesn't include participating in sig camps at all

is this forbidden? I knew it was legal

One account to play the saint and one account to play the evil persona  Cheesy. I have seen users doing that but with a funny twist rather than outright evil Cheesy.

sometimes it can be neutral or irrelevant, main account. "I don't know, what, what happened"

[suchmoon]

-"Opening multi accounts is legal" says in the forum rules. Why is this given negative? Would it be a problem unless it signed the same signature?

Forum rules don't forbid scamming either. Trust ratings are not for enforcing forum rules. Forum rules are enforced by moderators. Trust ratings are for some of the things that are not directly covered by the rules, such as scams, attempts to scam, successful trades, not so successful trades, etc. And yes, that might include deceptive sockpuppeting if it creates a risk to other users.

-The purpose of the multi account is: "expressing yourself more comfortably". How can I express myself more easily if I say "this account is mine"?

I don't know where you got that definition but alt accounts can be used for anything. As long as you don't cheat or scam or troll or evade a ban etc - you should be fine. Your colleagues from the Turkish board got caught cheating. "Expressing themselves" wouldn't have involved cheating bounties, vouching for themselves, etc.

[wolwoo]

Forum rules don't forbid scamming either. Trust ratings are not for enforcing forum rules. Forum rules are enforced by moderators. Trust ratings are for some of the things that are not directly covered by the rules, such as scams, attempts to scam, successful trades, not so successful trades, etc. And yes, that might include deceptive sockpuppeting if it creates a risk to other users.

That is, what is practically different with forum rules! I understand

I don't know where you got that definition but alt accounts can be used for anything. As long as you don't cheat or scam or troll or evade a ban etc - you should be fine. Your colleagues from the Turkish board got caught cheating. "Expressing themselves" wouldn't have involved cheating bounties, vouching for themselves, etc.

Çoklu Üyelik Kullanımı
Forumda çoklu üyelik kullanımı ile ilgili bir sınırlama bulunmuyor. Aksine kendinizi daha rahat ifade edeceğinizi düşünüyorsanız yeni hesap açarak ana hesabınızdan bağımsız şekilde yazmanız teşvik edilir. Burada unutmamanız gereken nokta bir hesabınız banlanırsa hiçbir hesabınızı ceza süresi boyunca kullanamayacağınızdır. Ban üyeliğe değil, kişiye veriliyor.

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Multiple Membership Usage
There is no restriction on the use of multiple memberships in the forum. On the contrary, if you think you can express yourself more easily, you are encouraged to open a new account and write independently from your main account. The point to remember is that if an account is banned, you will not be able to use any of your accounts during the penalty period. Ban is given to the person, not membership.

the subject has nothing to do with turkish, please

[Stedsm]

I believe (my personal belief is that) if you are interested in signature campaigns, you should join them with your main account only or maybe even your alt account can join another signature campaign but not the same, maybe 
I'm confused on that part, but yeah, if you want to do signature campaigns with your main account and use an alt account for bounties and all, so to keep your main account's post history clean is totally acceptable in my views unless you cheat any bounties by using both the accounts in the same one (or even more accounts if you have done account farming).

[logfiles]

-If we open a new account and give neutral feedback, is it legal? for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546

It is very OK. It's just a neutral. For the case of LoyceV, he's just trying to warn people that is his alt in case others might think it's an impersonator and also it's not much secure as compared to the main account since it's accessed through untrusted devices. So no one should make any deal through it.

-"Opening multi accounts is legal" says in the forum rules. Why is this given negative? Would it be a problem unless it signed the same signature?

It's all Ok until the accounts start exchanging merit, abusing signatures, trust abuse etc

-The purpose of the multi account is: "expressing yourself more comfortably". How can I express myself more easily if I say "this account is mine"?

You can still have an alt not known to anyone. Just don't abuse merit, signatures, trust etc

[Natalim]

Having multiple accounts is not against the forum rules, some accounts are given negative trust because they are found that they are cheating, most particularly in bounty campaigns. Tagging your altcoin account marking "it's your alt" is good because you are being honest, and if your main account or altcoin cheated, both accounts will be tag accordingly.

Members have different reason why they create an alt accounts, but as long as it never violate a forum rules, it should not be a problem for the owner.

[wolwoo]

my opinion should not be opened sub account. However, when the rules of the forum are legal and the greed of people is combined, the chain of accounts emerges. People cannot jump rank because the number of merits is limited. Many new members who see this are moving away from the forum because it is hopeless.

[logfiles]

my opinion should not be opened sub account. However, when the rules of the forum are legal and the greed of people is combined, the chain of accounts emerges. People cannot jump rank because the number of merits is limited. Many new members who see this are moving away from the forum because it is hopeless.

Well that new rule can not be introduced now... May if it was right from the start when the forum was created. I think Theymos does not want to change the original tradition of the forum to a situation where there are too many restrictions when creating accounts. In fact, he too has an Alt.
If this is done, then he might as well end up introducing KYC one day 

The problem with the freedom of creating many accounts is that some people tend to abuse it but not everyone who has an alt abuses the forum. The abusers think they can get away with it but after a few years, their sins catch up with them.

[wolwoo]

my opinion should not be opened sub account. However, when the rules of the forum are legal and the greed of people is combined, the chain of accounts emerges. People cannot jump rank because the number of merits is limited. Many new members who see this are moving away from the forum because it is hopeless.

Well that new rule can not be introduced now... May if it was right from the start when the forum was created. I think Theymos does not want to change the original tradition of the forum to a situation where there are too many restrictions when creating accounts. In fact, he too has an Alt.
If this is done, then he might as well end up introducing KYC one day 

The problem with the freedom of creating many accounts is that some people tend to abuse it but not everyone who has an alt abuses the forum. The abusers think they can get away with it but after a few years, their sins catch up with them.

first and last message of the new member

Bu sisteme göre ben bitik bir adamın

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I'm a finished man according to this system

[Steamtyme]

Sorry jut took a small dive and might have missed something. Long and short of it is this.
- Alt accounts are perfectly fine for any reason within forum rules
- They can all participate in signature campaigns/bounties as long as they are following the rules. This generally means they can not participate in the same bounty or campaign, as long as it's explicitly stated.

- They can send merit back and forth. This is not against the rules but definitely is against the intent. Neutral feedback is appropriate from community members and any further action can be decided upon by Theymos ( I believe only he can overturn merit transactions)
- Self-vouching and false positive feedback is inherently deceitful and can be a decent reason behind negative trust. That is open to opinion and interpretation much like the trust system in general. If that's the only issue it can possibly be remedied by removing all self vouches and positive feedbacks. It still doesn't mean the original tagger will change their mind but forgiveness should always still be an option.

Personally I do not believe there is any honest need to have 2 accounts on the forum that engage in trading of any sort. I personally think that tagging an alt account neutral to identify it is a good step but unnecessary, if you just use it as a voice.

Well that new rule can not be introduced now

Any new rule can be implemented at any time. It's theymos's playground.

[The Cryptovator]

Trying to match these two accounts. I don't understand these things. The two are in different signatures! So why was negative?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252627.0

I believe you are more experienced than me, but I don't know if you noticed a point created by hilariousandco on this thread. Although I am not sure if its official rules or it's just his own opinion but I strongly believe this is something to consider leave negative feedback. Here it is;

Can I give merit to my alt accounts?

No, this is frowned upon and will almost certainly lead to you receiving negative feedback if discovered.

Anyway, do you deeply believe that a merit source applicant should abuse merit system? Just express your honest opinion and forget about religion & politics for a while.

Regarding handle alt account still I believe you know better than me why, how and where to be use. There is no such as restrictions from forum admin expect ban evasion. But if someone create alt account for abuse then most likely should handle with trust system and trust system stand to prevent such as abusive behaviour.

[wolwoo]

My opinion here is that many people have multi accounts. But they are not caught.
For example: You open a separate btc / eth address for each account. You send your winnings to the stock market and sell.

[Pffrt]

-The purpose of the multi account is: "expressing yourself more comfortably". How can I express myself more easily if I say "this account is mine"?

The purpose of multi account is this one mentioned by you and people often do that in reputation section (sometimes get harassed for posting from newbie account too). But multi account allowed feature is mostly used by the signature campaign abuser. Most of the high profile have another face behind too, as long as they are not caught, they will pretend to have only one account.
However, not everyone is like that. For example, LoyceV created two accounts for two device, same by timelord too. My opinion is as long as you are not cheating, abusing, you are good to go with more than one account.

[Frengki_cisco]

having two or three accounts here is not a problem, while following the rules, both in the campaign and other rules, which backfire for yourself ie breaking all the rules, being greedy for yourself.

My opinion here is that many people have multi accounts. But they are not caught.
For example: You open a separate btc / eth address for each account. You send your winnings to the stock market and sell.

If you give a neutral sign, to another account when you make a Btc transaction or another coin, I think you are fine and nobody cares about it.
What is happening now is not like that, when you are caught making transactions and connected with another Alt account, you just come and say it is my uncle, friend, and so on, why did you not do neutral beforeand say something transaction to certain account.
For this reason, having multiple accounts will lead to fraud, lies and greed.

[suchmoon]

my opinion should not be opened sub account. However, when the rules of the forum are legal and the greed of people is combined, the chain of accounts emerges. People cannot jump rank because the number of merits is limited. Many new members who see this are moving away from the forum because it is hopeless.

Merits are not limited, theymos can produce any number of merits any time he wants. He has redistributed merit source allocations a few times in the past. If some merit sources are running out of merits - he'll add more. So if there are many users producing high-quality content - there will be more merits available, regardless if those users are alts or not.

My opinion here is that many people have multi accounts. But they are not caught.
For example: You open a separate btc / eth address for each account. You send your winnings to the stock market and sell.

So what? As long as they're not breaking forum rules, bounty rules, and not engaging in untrustworthy actions (e.g. posting positive trust for each other) - they're fine. You seem to be focusing on the "winnings" (I assume you mean bounties) way too much. That's not what this forum is about. But if you're concerned about alts cheating bounties you can go ahead and work on exposing them. Bounty managers will be grateful.