First Bitcoin Lightning Network Food Order by Phone

[kjlimo]

I did a decent search to confirm that I haven't found any videos for over the phone orders with bitcoin, let alone lightning network.

Let me know if you have any comments on my video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sau_2JKzQg

In this video, #MontyBitcoin makes the first food to go order over the phone using the #Bitcoin Lightning Network using BlueWallet. Bitcoin Pizza Day 2020 was the day (May 22, 2020). What better way to celebrate the 10  year anniversary of Laszlo's purchase than to use the lightning network for my lunch order! Naturally, I ordered take out from Scratch Restaurant, the only lunch restaurant that accepts bitcoin in Cleveland, Ohio!

I used BlueWallet for the lightning network which allowed this transaction to be confirmed instantly, and have a reasonable transaction fee!

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[Carlton Banks]

I used BlueWallet for the lightning network which allowed this transaction to be confirmed instantly, and have zero transaction fee!

really? Is this some kind of promotion where the restaurant (or their payments firm) are paying customer transaction fees? That would be a smart move seeing as it's not going to cost alot to do so.


Congrats, although I suspect that while this is the first youtube video, it's probably not the first time someone ordered food using Lightning

[jackg]

Nice work! I don't know about the cheeseburger without cheese though .
Do you know if they train employees up to be able to take orders as the guy on the other end didn't seem to know what he was doing...

I used BlueWallet for the lightning network which allowed this transaction to be confirmed instantly, and have zero transaction fee!

really? Is this some kind of promotion where the restaurant (or their payments firm) are paying customer transaction fees? That would be a smart move seeing as it's not going to cost alot to do so.

I think some transfers are charge free, my lightning network transactions on Eclair are capped at a 3% fee which seems like what credit cards charge merchants in the US (afaik I thought that was the standard charge for AMEX over there and also why they're not widely accepted here). Fees are normally unnoticeable with lightning payments though and a 330k sat payment would even have a low fee on the blockchain (without a fast conf) and this is what the LN is trying to replace.

My last transaction of £1.48 (20k sats) cost 3 sats to send for example.

[pakhitheboss]

Who cares? Whether there was any fee charged or not but it is a fantastic way to promote Bitcoin and the lightening network. The best thing here is that someone recorded a video and posted it on YouTube. It becomes easier to explain  or understand one of the benfits of using Bitcoin.

[tbct_mt2]

I think some transfers are charge free, my lightning network transactions on Eclair are capped at a 3% fee which seems like what credit cards charge merchants in the US (afaik I thought that was the standard charge for AMEX over there and also why they're not widely accepted here). Fees are normally unnoticeable with lightning payments though and a 330k sat payment would even have a low fee on the blockchain (without a fast conf) and this is what the LN is trying to replace.

My last transaction of £1.48 (20k sats) cost 3 sats to send for example.

Lightning Network was mentioned as a good suppmentary layer to bring Bitcoin to more people, and to increase bitcoin acceptances and wider payments. Some years have passed and Lightning network has not yet reached what it was expected to hit. Would you mind sharing some biggest barriers on the developments and acceptances of LightningNetwork softwares and payments, please.

Fast and cheap but why it has still been under-used?

[kjlimo]

I used BlueWallet for the lightning network which allowed this transaction to be confirmed instantly, and have zero transaction fee!

really? Is this some kind of promotion where the restaurant (or their payments firm) are paying customer transaction fees? That would be a smart move seeing as it's not going to cost alot to do so.


Congrats, although I suspect that while this is the first youtube video, it's probably not the first time someone ordered food using Lightning

A) I'm a moron, and have since found where BlueWallet is adding fees... and it looks like they are HIGHER than on chain fees.... grrrrr. several e-mails and tweets have been sent already...

B) I agree this isn't the first time someone ordered food using lightning, but I believe this may be the first time someone PAID for their order over the phone.

I'm assuming most payments for bitcoin in general are through the internet and I've often been curious how over the phone payment would work.

I searched a fair bit for this example, and couldn't find anyone doing this.

[kjlimo]

Nice work! I don't know about the cheeseburger without cheese though .
Do you know if they train employees up to be able to take orders as the guy on the other end didn't seem to know what he was doing...

I used BlueWallet for the lightning network which allowed this transaction to be confirmed instantly, and have zero transaction fee!

really? Is this some kind of promotion where the restaurant (or their payments firm) are paying customer transaction fees? That would be a smart move seeing as it's not going to cost alot to do so.

I think some transfers are charge free, my lightning network transactions on Eclair are capped at a 3% fee which seems like what credit cards charge merchants in the US (afaik I thought that was the standard charge for AMEX over there and also why they're not widely accepted here). Fees are normally unnoticeable with lightning payments though and a 330k sat payment would even have a low fee on the blockchain (without a fast conf) and this is what the LN is trying to replace.

My last transaction of £1.48 (20k sats) cost 3 sats to send for example.

There was a fee of 990 sats... which I consider to be WAY too high... I'm expecting fraction of a penny, not same as on chain transaction fees. 

This guy will accept either, so unfortunately, this is a step backwards for the lightning network in my book...

As for the order in the system, yes, Nick, the owner doesn't typically deal with the POS system and putting orders in... definitely the longest part of the video, hahaah.  Unfortunately, he is the only employee that will accept the bitcoin payments at this time.

If their restaurant survives covid19 (questionable ), then I will continue to try to get other employees comfortable with the system.

[kjlimo]

Who cares? Whether there was any fee charged or not but it is a fantastic way to promote Bitcoin and the lightening network. The best thing here is that someone recorded a video and posted it on YouTube. It becomes easier to explain  or understand one of the benfits of using Bitcoin.

Thanks, that's definitely what I'm going for!

Feel free to ping me with topics that you'd like to see next.

I'm planning for paying in store, I made a video about on chain vs lightning.

[kjlimo]

I think some transfers are charge free, my lightning network transactions on Eclair are capped at a 3% fee which seems like what credit cards charge merchants in the US (afaik I thought that was the standard charge for AMEX over there and also why they're not widely accepted here). Fees are normally unnoticeable with lightning payments though and a 330k sat payment would even have a low fee on the blockchain (without a fast conf) and this is what the LN is trying to replace.

My last transaction of £1.48 (20k sats) cost 3 sats to send for example.

Lightning Network was mentioned as a good suppmentary layer to bring Bitcoin to more people, and to increase bitcoin acceptances and wider payments. Some years have passed and Lightning network has not yet reached what it was expected to hit. Would you mind sharing some biggest barriers on the developments and acceptances of LightningNetwork softwares and payments, please.

Fast and cheap but why it has still been under-used?

For me, personally, I've been waiting for an easy wallet to use. My neighbor created one, and then it went up in smoke, so now I've started using BlueWallet.  BlueWallet seems to be getting the job done, but I just discovered the fees are MORE than on chain fees.... which will set me back again.

We'll see what merchants want when I find my next merchant to setup with bitcoin as an option.

I personally, as a consumer, want cheapest fees. I'm sensitive to merchants wanting transactions to be confirmed, but I want to be only enough for the market to process the transaction.

So merchants need to accept, and bitcoiners need to ASK to pay with bitcoin. The most common thing merchants tell me is "no customers are asking to pay with this." Can't argue with that!

[DoubleEdgeEX]

The more people use it the better. Even if it´s just a promo act, it shows a real life use case and something that even non-crypto people can understand. I hope more will follow

[jerrison]

it is ok that it the Lightning Network has been used to order food by phone which is  a real life use case but let the project incorperate other partners to work with other use cases that has more people in use. if we can consider using it to cover data subscription and all other daily needed commodities. When it becomes a solution, people will adopt it without asking questions.

[Lucius]

Maybe LN is a super fast protocol, but it took a man more than 4 minutes to place a pizza order

Joking aside, it is always nice to see the practical application of technology, and I hope that this type of payment will be quite common in a few years. Maybe this is really the first order using a smartphone and LN, but it is a known fact that the man who paid for the most expensive pizza in the world may have been one of the first people to use LN to buy pizza in 2018.

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2018-February/001044.html

Yet the first purchase made through LN was reportedly posted on Reddit, and the first thing that might take its place in history is VPN Router

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7rkunw/lightning_the_future_just_arrived_at_my_doorstep/

[Vatimins]

     Hearing Bitcoin transactions in the real world is always a great news to hear. It literally shows hope amd promise for the future of this industry. I am pretty sure most of the crypto currencies enthusiasts out there are feeling the same way as I am. I just wish this gets to happen more often and gets to be a natural thing like in a day to day basis just as how you go to groceries and pay for necessities.

[kjlimo]

Completely agree. My "first" aspect has to do with paying with bitcoin for an over the phone order. I've often wondered how it would work. LN certainly made it fast and settled while we were on the phone.

I assume most payments using bitcoin are when orders are being place on a website and not over the phone.

Maybe LN is a super fast protocol, but it took a man more than 4 minutes to place a pizza order

Joking aside, it is always nice to see the practical application of technology, and I hope that this type of payment will be quite common in a few years. Maybe this is really the first order using a smartphone and LN, but it is a known fact that the man who paid for the most expensive pizza in the world may have been one of the first people to use LN to buy pizza in 2018.

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2018-February/001044.html

Yet the first purchase made through LN was reportedly posted on Reddit, and the first thing that might take its place in history is VPN Router

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7rkunw/lightning_the_future_just_arrived_at_my_doorstep/

[maxreish]

Nice! Actually, I'm looking for such way to spend my bitcoin thru lightning network. If this was successfully done personally by you, OP then definitely we may try this out too.
 Do you have any telegram group for an easy access to your tutorial if ever? Anyway, I have already followed you in facebook but seems your facebook pagr isn't that active. Great sharing, bro.

[kjlimo]

Nice! Actually, I'm looking for such way to spend my bitcoin thru lightning network. If this was successfully done personally by you, OP then definitely we may try this out too.
 Do you have any telegram group for an easy access to your tutorial if ever? Anyway, I have already followed you in facebook but seems your facebook pagr isn't that active. Great sharing, bro.

I created a Telegram channel.

https://t.me/MontyBitcoin

My Facebook is brand new as well. I hope to be setting those up on Thursday.

[yazher]

This is way too good man, it was nice sharing your experience with us about your food order using the lightning network. Some of us doubt that bitcoin cannot be used for payment in ordering foods or any other things that require fast time, but now everything can be possible with the help of the Lightning network. although we don't have something like this in our country, I hope someday I can try it here and order my own lunch with BTC.

[kjlimo]

This is way too good man, it was nice sharing your experience with us about your food order using the lightning network. Some of us doubt that bitcoin cannot be used for payment in ordering foods or any other things that require fast time, but now everything can be possible with the help of the Lightning network. although we don't have something like this in our country, I hope someday I can try it here and order my own lunch with BTC.

What country are you in (if you don't mind my asking)?

[kjlimo]

Got to eat there again today, and paid in store today... forgot to film it *facepalm*

[kjlimo]

How does that work? How can it have 0 transaction fees?

sooooooo, I goofed. The BlueWallet interface didn't mention a fee, and it only showed up after clicking pay... So they were hidden and I thought it was zero.

Currently, the new update now shows you a range of fees, but they seem a bit higher on BlueWallet compared to other options, so I will be looking into other options.

However, I may have to deal with BlueWallet for now for my lightning needs until I fire my personal LN node up again... and figure out how to zap wallet with it.