Merit Abusing From a A Senior Member

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Today I found an user (Rank: Sr Member) who is abusing merits by sending then to another account for a very low quality post and he sent 15 merits within 10 minutes which is really not a common action.

I am sure this user abused 15 merits.Again I have some other indicates which confirm that this is totally not a common action to send merits.
chosenone11 This user sent 10 merits to this user jamyr and to this post  

Hello,


As I was browsing today here in the forum, I saw something quite unusual and I feel somehow that this unusual thing is somehow wrong, or perhaps a style that is already acceptable here in the forum.

Archived: http://archive.is/kc5Km

Before 10 minutes of sending this 10 merits chosenone11  this user sent another 5 merits to this user jamyr .
So he sent 15 merits within 10 minutes and to a low quality post.

Proof Of Sending 15 Merits to an User within 10 Minutes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=905648

Screenshot with Mark:

Again they are at the same rank of Senior Member and They also registered at the same Year and month.

chosenone11 Registered at Forum: October 04, 2016, 02:27:56 PM

jamyr Registered at Forum: October 25, 2016, 02:07:30 PM

As a Newbie I am only posting image links :

1. Both Users Profile with Mark -

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[Bitcoinsummoner]

Why you have not posted it from your original profile? Why you want to disguise yourself? Is there any specific reason of it?
I am thinking it is not you real account because if you are a new user you should not have too much knowledge about merit and it's abuse. So, better post your original profile instead of fake profile. Anyway, it is a good catch. Also need few more research to know more about the abuse and either they are alt account or not

[Blank-Head]

Why you have not posted it from your original profile? Why you want to disguise yourself? Is there any specific reason of it?
I am thinking it is not you real account because if you are a new user you should not have too much knowledge about merit and it's abuse. So, better post your original profile instead of fake profile. Anyway, it is a good catch. Also need few more research to know more about the abuse and either they are alt account or not

To be truth I have no other accounts in this forum as from the last 1 month I am following users and already read forum rules and look at others high ranked users how they are using this forum to contribute.Thats why I just tried to post something. And this is my actual account.Hope from now I will start posting like others and will do something helpful.

[Avirunes]

Checked both accounts but couldn't find any connections. chosenone11 hardly posted 3-4 posts out from Bitsler games & rounds threads. Both have Bitsler accounts though so could be Bitsler friends or nearby friends maybe? Looking at those transfers doesn't seems like they were any helpful posts and are really what I would say not proper use of merits. Both those transfer should be rolled back if possible.

[rhomelmabini]

The fact that chosenone11 was more of a throwaway account just used on the Bitsler thread and seems doesn't care much about the forum and the merit system. That really gives doubt, out of the many worthy posts to merit on he give it instead on someone's shitpost. Well if we can't find any real connection for both accounts we are merely speculating.

It will never be rolled over, it's irreversible.

Edit: Luckily because of this I finally found the account connected to jamyr. It's a quest!

Proof:

username : jamyr1

Archived

jamyr1

Archived

User DrGuns4Hands was banned late September 2019 and the user is currently evading his ban. It's not coincidence user DrGuns4Hands uses that "jamyr1" username, it's probably his alt. He even used it not once same as to jamyr.

Link1 - DrGuns4Hands Archived
Link2 - DrGuns4Hands Archived

Link1 - jamyr Archive
Link2 - jamyr Archived

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Edit: Luckily because of this I finally found the account connected to jamyr. It's a quest!

Proof:

username : jamyr1

Archived

jamyr1

Archived

User DrGuns4Hands was banned late September 2019 and the user is currently evading his ban. It's not coincidence user DrGuns4Hands uses that "jamyr1" username, it's probably his alt. He even used it not once same as to jamyr.

Link1 - DrGuns4Hands Archived
Link2 - DrGuns4Hands Archived

Link1 - jamyr Archive
Link2 - jamyr Archived

That's really a great job by you and you found which really deserve merit.But Unfortunately I don't have that.
By the way by researching on your proofs, No doubts that it's an alt account.

Keep doing research like this and best of luck.

[jamyr]

Today I found an user (Rank: Sr Member) who is abusing merits by sending then to another account for a very low quality post and he sent 15 merits within 10 minutes which is really not a common action.

I am sure this user abused 15 merits.Again I have some other indicates which confirm that this is totally not a common action to send merits.
chosenone11 This user sent 10 merits to this user jamyr and to this post  

Hello,


As I was browsing today here in the forum, I saw something quite unusual and I feel somehow that this unusual thing is somehow wrong, or perhaps a style that is already acceptable here in the forum.

Archived: http://archive.is/kc5Km

Before 10 minutes of sending this 10 merits chosenone11  this user sent another 5 merits to this user jamyr .
So he sent 15 merits within 10 minutes and to a low quality post.

Proof Of Sending 15 Merits to an User within 10 Minutes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=905648

Screenshot with Mark:

Again they are at the same rank of Senior Member and They also registered at the same Year and month.

chosenone11 Registered at Forum: October 04, 2016, 02:27:56 PM

jamyr Registered at Forum: October 25, 2016, 02:07:30 PM

As a Newbie I am only posting image links :

1. Both Users Profile with Mark -

LOL. I just saw this thread thanks to someone from PM.

Edit: Will just compile my defense, will edit this again

[rhomelmabini]

LOL. I just saw this thread thanks to someone from PM.

Edit: Will just compile my defense, will edit this again

Don't forget to compile all of it including the one that I've found. Let us see your excuse and just my hunch family tree will be involved here. The merit sending was way mild but ban evading is beyond that.

[smyslov]

What's behind the motivation for sending a big sum merit, is it something like a life changing post to get that 10 merits if the thread deserves a merit I could have given 3 at the most, people giving merit should be responsible there are other great post out there, I could not give 10 merits if it has not a life changing posts, can the accused give us the reason behind those 10 merits, although it is not obligatory

[Blank-Head]

I don't even know why high ranked users abusing merits by giving them to shut posts. Even they gives merit to other high ranked users not to an user who deserve it.
It should be changed and Merit should be given fairly to only them who contributes.

[bitmover]

I don't even know why high ranked users abusing merits by giving them to shut posts.

For obvious reasons: ranking up an alt account, selling merits, and so on. Merit is valuable, specially for spammers which cannot receive any from their useless posts.

It is as hard to earn merits as it is to make a good post.

[ryzaadit]

It should be changed and Merit should be given fairly to only them who contributes.

All transaction merits is not moderate to only a good post, all depends on perspective every user who own the merits. As long they did not abuse the merits system is nothing wrong, if you want to check all the transaction merits we have a lot of people sending to every post like only an image, memes, shitpost and etc. So transaction merits depend on every user who owns the merits, they freely send to any type of post not only a good/contribution post.

But got some merits from a shitpost, just give them bad vibes. Your account could be targeting checking by a patrol account who busted a merits abuse, multiple accounts, etc. Before you accused other people abusing you need to give a solid otherwise your accused only based your own perspective and cant be used as the proof.

[jamyr]

Today I found an user (Rank: Sr Member) who is abusing merits by sending then to another account for a very low quality post and he sent 15 merits within 10 minutes which is really not a common action.

I am sure this user abused 15 merits.Again I have some other indicates which confirm that this is totally not a common action to send merits.
chosenone11 This user sent 10 merits to this user jamyr and to this post

Hello,
As I was browsing today here in the forum, I saw something quite unusual and I feel somehow that this unusual thing is somehow wrong, or perhaps a style that is already acceptable here in the forum.

I know who am I, I am not chosenone11.
Chosenone11 merits me 5 and 10 merits, thanks and double thanks Chosenone11.

Why my post/s instead of other posts, is because I asked the whole english chat of a Gambling site I play at, Bitsler.com where I have been playing because of the fun games it offers, especially during this lockdown season.
As a matter of Fact, I won 1st place in BTSLR Challenge that day. (This is not a paid advertisement.
So I did ask for merit(s) but I know I said maybe not as explicit as it could have been, "only if you think I deserve so". Chosenone11 did and did it again which I even joked "I may be into trouble again because of this".

Edit: Luckily because of this I finally found the account connected to jamyr. It's a quest!

Proof:

username : jamyr1

Hooooray. Unfortunately(for you), no I am not DrGuns4Hands.
So why did he post jamyr1?

Back in 2016 Bitsler started a lottery-type promotion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1707904. Simple requirements, have a bitsler account, roll a bet or two, post it here as it will be your ticket/entry. But alas! It also have the requirement of being a Sr. Member here which I am now but 4 years ago I was a jr member or member. When this lottery went live.
So I was disappointed since Bitsler I really wanted to win, both for money and just for the sense of winning. So I have thought of this brilliant idea that maybe. . .just maybe this would work. I looked for someone who I can hire to post my bet, this is not endorsed but not prohibited.
Pop Quiz
What would you do if you need to buy Vicodin from the pharma,
What I do would be to plead the pharmacist to consider this a 1 time thing. If she declines, offer something($ € ₱) if still no, make your best offer. ₿
If that fails, I will look for a Doctor who will.

Well I found and I hired DrGuns4Hands. Though I did not win a round in the lottery.

Checked both accounts but couldn't find any connections. chosenone11 hardly posted 3-4 posts out from Bitsler games & rounds threads. Both have Bitsler accounts though so could be Bitsler friends or nearby friends maybe? Looking at those transfers doesn't seems like they were any helpful posts and are really what I would say not proper use of merits. Both those transfer should be rolled back if possible.

Thank you.

I don't even know why high ranked users abusing merits by giving them to shut posts.

For obvious reasons: ranking up an alt account, selling merits, and so on. Merit is valuable, specially for spammers which cannot receive any from their useless posts.

It is as hard to earn merits as it is to make a good post.

I try very much to make my posts good as I can. But I will try even more so. I have spent the merits I was awarded to posts I have saved since I find them very informative but I was out of sMerit.

All transaction merits is not moderate to only a good post, all depends on perspective every user who own the merits. As long they did not abuse the merits system is nothing wrong, if you want to check all the transaction merits we have a lot of people sending to every post like only an image, memes, shitpost and etc. So transaction merits depend on every user who owns the merits, they freely send to any type of post not only a good/contribution post.
But got some merits from a shitpost, just give them bad vibes. Your account could be targeting checking by a patrol account who busted a merits abuse, multiple accounts, etc. Before you accused other people abusing you need to give a solid otherwise your accused only based your own perspective and cant be used as the proof.

If there are people who think I am not worthy of those 15 merits, then I say what about the first 250 merits I earned by default. I think if merits were implemented back in 2016 I would still be a jr member now.

[ryzaadit]

If there are people who think I am not worthy of those 15 merits, then I say what about the first 250 merits I earned by default. I think if merits were implemented back in 2016 I would still be a jr member now.

Worthy or not, not a big deal as long there is no abused attempt on the merits transaction. But sending/receiving merits for a shitpost kinda wasting the merits allocation. I just want to make some clarification for the transaction of merits its not always to send them only for a good post, all depends on every user perspective, and merits can be used as many things.

[rhomelmabini]

Hooooray. Unfortunately(for you), no I am not DrGuns4Hands.
So why did he post jamyr1?

Back in 2016 Bitsler started a lottery-type promotion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1707904. Simple requirements, have a bitsler account, roll a bet or two, post it here as it will be your ticket/entry. But alas! It also have the requirement of being a Sr. Member here which I am now but 4 years ago I was a jr member or member. When this lottery went live.
So I was disappointed since Bitsler I really wanted to win, both for money and just for the sense of winning. So I have thought of this brilliant idea that maybe. . .just maybe this would work. I looked for someone who I can hire to post my bet, this is not endorsed but not prohibited.
Pop Quiz
What would you do if you need to buy Vicodin from the pharma,
What I do would be to plead the pharmacist to consider this a 1 time thing. If she declines, offer something($ € ₱) if still no, make your best offer. ₿
If that fails, I will look for a Doctor who will.

Well I found and I hired DrGuns4Hands. Though I did not win a round in the lottery.

Nice try homie! But I'll say this again "you're busted", hmmm.

Requirements :

- Senior member+ on bitcointalk. (If you have 2 accounts senior member+, you can only use one to take part)
- One username per user
- No negative trust

Since DrGuns4Hands was your only Sr. Member account that's the one you make the posting and I don't think I'll buy the thing that you hired DrGuns4Hands over that because if you really do you will leave the trust on your transaction with him. Seeing your trust page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=912614 by Dec. 2016 you already know how to use it, that's too weird you haven't even left any feedback on his profile when in fact you hired him to post multiple times of your bets on that lottery-type promotion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=56939;sa=showPosts;start=1080  

Pop Quiz
If you were busted what will you do?
What will you do is to think of the best makeup it could have to avoid it and make an example of a pop quiz that might relate to it.
If that fails and I guess it really fails, you'll try another one because you forgot to leave feedback 3 and a half years ago which has been thrown to you.

[jamyr]

Since DrGuns4Hands was your only Sr. Member account that's the one you make the posting and I don't think I'll buy the thing that you hired DrGuns4Hands over that because if you really do you will leave the trust on your transaction with him. Seeing your trust page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=912614 by Dec. 2016 you already know how to use it, that's too weird you haven't even left any feedback on his profile when in fact you hired him to post multiple times of your bets on that lottery-type promotion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=56939;sa=showPosts;start=1080  

Pop Quiz
If you were busted what will you do?
What will you do is to think of the best makeup it could have to avoid it and make an example of a pop quiz that might relate to it.
If that fails and I guess it really fails, you'll try another one because you forgot to leave feedback 3 and a half years ago which has been thrown to you.

1.

Since DrGuns4Hands was your only Sr. Member account. . .

No. I do not care about you not buying what I said above aside from a promise to someone that I would clear this issue. That really is the reason why I am answering you.
You not buying that I hired DrGuns4Hands is not my problem anymore, that all yours.

2. Why did I not leave a feedback,
There is a world outside bitcointalk, in case you did not know.
If it is a mandatory to leave a feedback to every transaction/deal within or outside bitcointalk, I would have done so.
And again it is none of your business to meddle how I leave feedback(s) to who or what or when, unless you are one of those I have left with, Are you one of those 4 who I left a red mark.

3. If you want me to answer any more of these weirdness, oddities and what not, pay me. $25 in bitcoin per hour though we need to get an escrow since you don't trust me.

4. Let this be an agreement that anymore questions of weirdness and oddities by you, rhomelmabini, would cost you $25 in bitcoin for every hour it would take me to answer.

[TECSHARE]

Nice try homie! But I'll say this again "you're busted", hmmm.

Requirements :

- Senior member+ on bitcointalk. (If you have 2 accounts senior member+, you can only use one to take part)
- One username per user
- No negative trust

Since DrGuns4Hands was your only Sr. Member account that's the one you make the posting and I don't think I'll buy the thing that you hired DrGuns4Hands over that because if you really do you will leave the trust on your transaction with him. Seeing your trust page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=912614 by Dec. 2016 you already know how to use it, that's too weird you haven't even left any feedback on his profile when in fact you hired him to post multiple times of your bets on that lottery-type promotion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=56939;sa=showPosts;start=1080  

Pop Quiz
If you were busted what will you do?
What will you do is to think of the best makeup it could have to avoid it and make an example of a pop quiz that might relate to it.
If that fails and I guess it really fails, you'll try another one because you forgot to leave feedback 3 and a half years ago which has been thrown to you.

I think his explanation was perfectly reasonable. There is too much of an atmosphere on this forum of everyone running around pretending to be police and getting into the personal business of others for no good reason. Of course, you want to feel special like you are some kind of internet detective and you cracked the case, and it costs you nothing to make assumptions about people and ruin their reputation over it for your own benefit. This kind of behavior needs to stop.

You know why it needs to stop? Because sooner or later it will be your turn to have a mob of autists digging through all of your own personal activities, making accusations, and attacking you. Everyone gets a turn sooner or later in this kind of environment.

[rhomelmabini]

1.

Since DrGuns4Hands was your only Sr. Member account. . .

No. I do not care about you not buying what I said above aside from a promise to someone that I would clear this issue. That really is the reason why I am answering you.
You not buying that I hired DrGuns4Hands is not my problem anymore, that all yours.

2. Why did I not leave a feedback,
There is a world outside bitcointalk, in case you did not know.
If it is a mandatory to leave a feedback to every transaction/deal within or outside bitcointalk, I would have done so.
And again it is none of your business to meddle how I leave feedback(s) to who or what or when, unless you are one of those I have left with, Are you one of those 4 who I left a red mark.

3. If you want me to answer any more of these weirdness, oddities and what not, pay me. $25 in bitcoin per hour though we need to get an escrow since you don't trust me.

4. Let this be an agreement that anymore questions of weirdness and oddities by you, rhomelmabini, would cost you $25 in bitcoin for every hour it would take me to answer.

This isn't just weirdness since the case about merit abused and ban evasion was the one not tolerated by the forum. Why do I have to agree with you? Okay, you explain but let me get this straight, there will still be doubt on your case and I'll just leave it here. I am pretty sure I am not one of those personas.

I think his explanation was perfectly reasonable. There is too much of an atmosphere on this forum of everyone running around pretending to be police and getting into the personal business of others for no good reason. Of course, you want to feel special like you are some kind of internet detective and you cracked the case, and it costs you nothing to make assumptions about people and ruin their reputation over it for your own benefit. This kind of behavior needs to stop.

You know why it needs to stop? Because sooner or later it will be your turn to have a mob of autists digging through all of your own personal activities, making accusations, and attacking you. Everyone gets a turn sooner or later in this kind of environment.

You don't need to be some kind of sympathetic, by the way. Was there something to pretend on? You don't have to and all of the forum user to make me feel special, I can leave without that. If it stops and there's still frauds out there need to be dig even there's no benefit one can get, these you think just pretending forum police will still do what they want.

The reason it need to stop because there's a turn for us (police forum pretenders) in these kind of environment isn't reasonable that it needs to stop really. I post what I need to post about the case andI think I'm done here.

[Upgate]

I don't understand his essence of sending 10 merits to his fellow senior member, whereas there are post of newbies that are much better than the post that was given 10 merits. 10 merits is outrageous (an abuse of merit)

[Mighty_crypt]

I don't understand his essence of sending 10 merits to his fellow senior member, whereas there are post of newbies that are much better than the post that was given 10 merits. 10 merits is outrageous (an abuse of merit)

I don't see how this is rule breaking, he or she or who ever own the merits earned them and they have right to send to others who they think deserves their merits don't you think? Sometimes I wish there is a way to unmerit someone but I guess it's never going to happen