Thoughts on Bold browser? - formerly Braver

[Coin_trader]

Does anyone know how much profit can be made from that browser?

I don't think it's enough to get you to use a site, it's more like a bitcoin facets, right?

And then what is the development that this browser does, all the good features can be done with a small team of developers,
Just block ads is the unique feature that they offer, the rest of the things are a compilation of some features.
I think they want to achieve profits quickly and the last thing that matters to them is the protection of privacy.

will remove it.

First of all, Brave browser is just a rip off on Firefox mobile browser and I agree with you that the project just want to achieve a quick money on there ICO. There road map and target market are very limited due to competitors. There is no much profit when used there adblocker to earn BAT and the worst was you need to do KYC in able to withdraw your coins which contradicts there privacy protection policy.

Lastly, They are paying much token for referral to achieve a target user so that they can use it to hype the project even though not all user being invited are really using Brave browser after they get reward. This token giveaway really affect all investors who buy token from there pocket. The price is continuously falling due to token sell off.

[imons]

This could become a better version without those bull s..., now we know that Brave was set up just for the developers to make tons of money, they already had their token in the market, just enough for a profit, so why those ads and the referral links, they are like hitting many birds with one stone, rewards is not really high only have  less than $1 after a month with those ads.

yeah brave was so promising, but in the end its just a browser with ads and you get like couple hundred cents every month
and brave token isn't going anywhere higher and market is not bullish about it anymore
probably a lot of brave users feel a lot like fooled

[babygun]

Does anyone know how much profit can be made from that browser?

I don't think it's enough to get you to use a site, it's more like a bitcoin facets, right?

And then what is the development that this browser does, all the good features can be done with a small team of developers,
Just block ads is the unique feature that they offer, the rest of the things are a compilation of some features.
I think they want to achieve profits quickly and the last thing that matters to them is the protection of privacy.

will remove it.

Some real life stats (I am from Belgium).
I earned a whopping 1 BAT in may and in june I already earned 0.3 BAT. So rewards are very small, but maybe a bit more than bitcoin faucets.
Probably you will earn more if you are from a Tier 1 country.

[bitmover]

They are removing all the unnecessary crap that they implemented to make money or push their own custodian services forward.

But that's kind of my point. Why take a browser filled with unnecessary crap (Chromium), try to strip that away but obviously not be able to get it all, add in a bunch of different unnecessary crap (Brave), try to strip that away but obviously not be able to get it all, and use what is left (Braver) because it has a handful of good features, when you can get all the same good features (and more) on Firefox without all the unnecessary crap even existing in the first place? All Chromium based browsers still phone home to Google in some way. Even with the best efforts of the Braver team, there is undoubtedly going to be some left over code and remnants of various bloatware and other privacy invading nonsense from both Google and Brave in there somewhere.

As you say, why not just use a clean base (Firefox) and install Metamask? Why use a browser with a ton of unnecessary crap in it just because it comes with Metamask pre-installed?

Additionally to this crazy Brave/Braver add/remove unnecessary crap, it is much better to install extension in firefox for one reason: Firefox dev team is much more active and trusted imo.

I doubt brave or braver dev team can outpace firefox dev team in keeping the browser safe, secure, free and private. Brave still have many other concerns, like promoting BAT, KYC etc... which firefox is mainly focused in that and has a much larger community support.

[buwaytress]

The problem is with the probability and he said that because he still views it as a business. I think if Braver are positioned as a community-backed product like Bitcoin or any open-source projects that are loved by many, then donation or even contribution on the code is going to a solid backing.

It definitely won't make as many profits as any money-oriented/business apps, but it could survive.

Of course it's a business but the always-free, no-ad, donation only model is a recognised business model and has proven itself to be profitable even in fintech (if not especially). Some have definitely outlived money-oriented counterparts. I think it's just a case of sour grapes for the Brave CEO to say that about Braver.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Braver will pick up but why the need to defend your model and diss others?

[Bttzed03]

Will there be a confusion because I mean Brave and Braver Browser, if they want a fork they should go for a different name, not something that is very much associated to Brave Browser,

The name is same because they are a fork of Brave browser; like bitcoin forks are more or less have bitcoin in their name. Otherwise, people will have hard time finding out the source of the browser and so does the purpose.

The name is just temporary. They plan to change it but not too soon. I wish I can send the source but I can't remember where I read that.

I personally prefer another name, something like 'Unbraved' 

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Don't get me wrong, I don't think Braver will pick up but why the need to defend your model and diss others?

To dissuade others from leaving and kill the "competition" 

[FFrankie]

you gotta give kyc to withdrawal from brave thats a joke and a half

[big kid]

you gotta give kyc to withdrawal from brave thats a joke and a half

other half of the joke is the amount of BATs you receive monthly

[Mahanton]

Does anyone know how much profit can be made from that browser?

Very little, especially you're from unpopular country without many ads. Looking for part-time jobs is more viable option to earn extra money.

I'm using  Brave browser and I'm from a third world country and i don't see many ads coming my biggest earning for a month is only 30 cents worth of Bat, I'm thinking of removing it now there's so many negative posts and articles about Brave, but I'd like to hear how they are going to address this issue, I read that they are taking away the redirection but I want to hear more on what are they planning to do now that there is a new similar browser competing with them.

Back in the past on where those BAT ads rewards is less due to my countries location but later on they do make it available and it do give out 4-5 ads max for 1 day but it isnt really worth to click those things up
yet you do earn pennies but there are still people who do such simple task to earn few bucks.I havent tried to withdraw yet but some said it do need some KYC? thats bullshit and now
they do have issue about fixed referral link redirection? Maybe its time to uninstall this stuff out of my browser and would stick out to old IE browser. hehe

[mk4]

Does anyone know how much profit can be made from that browser?

I don't think it's enough to get you to use a site, it's more like a bitcoin facets, right?

And then what is the development that this browser does, all the good features can be done with a small team of developers,
Just block ads is the unique feature that they offer, the rest of the things are a compilation of some features.
I think they want to achieve profits quickly and the last thing that matters to them is the protection of privacy.

will remove it.

Though not the best, I'd say Brave was actually a decent out-of-the-box browser privacy-wise, before all this fiasco. People have argued about the KYC thing, but you don't have to submit if you don't want to. It's not something you're forced to do.

But this is what Braver is trying to do: remove all the crap and just have a decent privacy browser.

you gotta give kyc to withdrawal from brave thats a joke and a half

I'm pretty sure earning through ads is removed on Braver. The KYC through withdrawing on Brave sure is counter-intuitive though. Why do you even need a cryptocurrency if you're just going to KYC anyway. Might as well just let people withdraw fiat.

[Saisher]

you gotta give kyc to withdrawal from brave thats a joke and a half

other half of the joke is the amount of BATs you receive monthly

I'm part of that Joke I sometimes question myself  is it really worth earning 20 cents of Bat after finding that redirection and kinds of stuff they added, I'm ok with a small amount but weighing in the rewards and the risk, I guess it's not worth it, I'm sure we have thousands of people with the same judgement.

[ultrloa]

Does anyone know how much profit can be made from that browser?

Very little, especially you're from unpopular country without many ads. Looking for part-time jobs is more viable option to earn extra money.

I'm using  Brave browser and I'm from a third world country and i don't see many ads coming my biggest earning for a month is only 30 cents worth of Bat, I'm thinking of removing it now there's so many negative posts and articles about Brave, but I'd like to hear how they are going to address this issue, I read that they are taking away the redirection but I want to hear more on what are they planning to do now that there is a new similar browser competing with them.

Back in the past on where those BAT ads rewards is less due to my countries location but later on they do make it available and it do give out 4-5 ads max for 1 day but it isnt really worth to click those things up
yet you do earn pennies but there are still people who do such simple task to earn few bucks.I havent tried to withdraw yet but some said it do need some KYC? thats bullshit and now
they do have issue about fixed referral link redirection? Maybe its time to uninstall this stuff out of my browser and would stick out to old IE browser. hehe

IE is so slow for me and I cannot use especially on multitasking category that's why I'd choose chrome, But actually it's good to used the brave browser as an alternative since it's fast and the thing there is don't expect that you can earn more money by using it since it will give low rewards to the users and that is totally fine since every reward counts aslong as we cannot get 0 at the end of the day.

[babygun]

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IE is so slow for me and I cannot use especially on multitasking category that's why I'd choose chrome, But actually it's good to used the brave browser as an alternative since it's fast and the thing there is don't expect that you can earn more money by using it since it will give low rewards to the users and that is totally fine since every reward counts aslong as we cannot get 0 at the end of the day.

Brave browser is indeed fast but that's not the reason that people use Brave; they are focused on getting rewards. But do you want to do a full KYC for receiving +/- 0.5$/month?
I tried almost all browsers and I will continue to use Chrome.

[bitmover]

I'm pretty sure earning through ads is removed on Braver. The KYC through withdrawing on Brave sure is counter-intuitive though. Why do you even need a cryptocurrency if you're just going to KYC anyway. Might as well just let people withdraw fiat.

Nice.

This is an interesting perspective which I never thought about. KYC makes BAT basically useless, as a FIAT withdrawal would be better.

Just as instant free transactions from centralized cryptocurrencies are a nonsense (if you don't carea bout decentralization, just use visa), BAT becomes worse than fiat when forcing KYC.

THey could argue "But BAT is worldwide and fiat is not. BAT would flatten currency relations worldwide". This is also false, as the amount of BAT received depends on your IP location. (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brave-browser-expands-advertising-feature-170545030.html#:~:text=With%20the%20Brave%20v0.,earn%20BAT%20for%20viewing%20ads.)

[mk4]

This is an interesting perspective which I never thought about. KYC makes BAT basically useless, as a FIAT withdrawal would be better.

Just as instant free transactions from centralized cryptocurrencies are a nonsense (if you don't carea bout decentralization, just use visa), BAT becomes worse than fiat when forcing KYC.

Yea. I'd probably slightly more understand the need of a separate token if they actually used the smart contracts mumbo jumbo feature of Ethereum together with a browser extension like Metamask, whereas the BAT automatically gets collected to your Metamask wallet. But no, everything goes through Uphold anyway so what's the point in using a token really lol. I'm a bit convinced that they only used a token to be able to fund themselves.

THey could argue "But BAT is worldwide and fiat is not. BAT would flatten currency relations worldwide". This is also false, as the amount of BAT received depends on your IP location. (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brave-browser-expands-advertising-feature-170545030.html#:~:text=With%20the%20Brave%20v0.,earn%20BAT%20for%20viewing%20ads.)

Not only that, Uphold supports a crap ton of currencies anyway, so that argument really wouldn't pass. https://uphold.com/en/transparency%C2%A0

[pilosopotasyo]

Everything is too early to tell about the future of Braver Browser after the launch we will need a couple of months or even more to check members reaction and reviews about the competing Browser there will always differ on both browser, but we'll have to see and read the reactions of users of both browser.

[mk4]

Everything is too early to tell about the future of Braver Browser after the launch we will need a couple of months or even more to check members reaction and reviews about the competing Browser there will always differ on both browser, but we'll have to see and read the reactions of users of both browser.

Not sure what much reviews they're going to need though besides the stability, it's not like Braver will have some additional features or something. It's literally just the Brave browser with some stuff here and there removed.

[pooya87]

Everything is too early to tell about the future of Braver Browser after the launch we will need a couple of months or even more to check members reaction and reviews about the competing Browser there will always differ on both browser, but we'll have to see and read the reactions of users of both browser.

do you even know what Brave browser is or bothered searching? it was launched 4 years ago and all the reactions and reviews have been out already. the conclusions are also made: Brave is so much worse than any other browser even those that don't claim to be privacy oriented such as Chrome itself. i'd rather report my every move to Google rather than this shady company.

[tyz]

Braver Browser has now been renamed to Bold Browser due to possible legal issues. Brave is not doing itself a favor if it continues to do such actions. After being positive about Brave for a long time and using the browser as my first browser for more than a year, I now mainly use Firefox again and wait until Bold Browser (or other forks) has reached a stable status.

[TryNinja]

x-post of the source for the name changing:

Just adding some source:

Due to legal threats sent to one of our community members by a certain party, specifically looking to harm them financially because of what this browser is forked from, we are immediately changing the name and removing all association to "the browser that shall not be named".

https://twitter.com/BoldBrowser/status/1281167687629049856

We are also removing references to a browser that we previously mentioned from our tweets, as a gesture of goodwill to those who send legal threats to open source contributors.

https://twitter.com/BoldBrowser/status/1281174422347546624

A company shouldn't advertise itself as privacy and anonymity respecting if they support sending legal threats to the only non-anonymous contributor of an open-source project.

Legal Disclaimer: this tweet is about nothing/noone in particular.

https://twitter.com/BoldBrowser/status/1281223448170242049

New links:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/BoldBrowser
GitHub: https://github.com/BoldBrowser