Allowing NEWBIES to keep flooding and handling scam projects On Bitcointalk

[Timmzzy]

Greetings all, I believe we are having great days ahead no matter the covid19 pandemic in the world, Sure we should.

Now quickly let's go into something I really want to voice out. It's pertaining NEWBIES accounts making a huge mess on bitcointalk forum as a whole, probably it might not be a serious discussion to talk about since one have to make a choice of which bounty project he or she will take part in and depending on the Bounty Manager (BM) Handling such Bounty Campaign project. Because I know that None of those projects companies will want their projects to be handled by a Newbies, just like having a company that's doing well and you want it to grow more and be popular you now give the company to a newborn baby that doesn't know left or right of the Business to handle for you. That's really not possible, right?

Few list of Bounty projects posted by newbies I came across, Which I know we have more of them.

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255410.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255664.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254397.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255979.0
5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254948.0
6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253668.0

Now My questions are:

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

2. Can't it be just from well-RANKED members up other than Newbies flooding Bitcointalk with fake BOUNTY projects?

[Little Mouse]

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

If project choose to handle the job by a newbie, then what's problem of you? Avoid the bounties which are managed by them. It's we people who are feeding them to launch more.
It's none of forum issue. You can move it to altcoin service discussion.

[Upgrade00]

I went through some of the links and not all are handling bounty projects, some are sharing bounty projects on a different platform, some projects also wish to handle their campaigns themselves without hiring anyone and this should be allowed. The forum does not encourage strict standards as they are limiting.
A newbie account should ideally hire a highly trusted escrow to hold the funds.
One has a choice of whether or not to join a project advertised by a newbie or a higher ranked member, putting a restriction on newbie members or making strict rules are things theymos might not want to do;

The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible.
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Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum

[BIT-BENDER]

I've seen a campaign with a newbie bounty manager is that really necessary? Do you think this campaign is not a scam?
Thank you for your answers.

Are you out of mind? Almost all of them (95%) are the dev of their own project which using new account to manage their bounty instead using other known campaign manager. Read and understand their project to know if their project is scam or not (Sometimes, hearing from other people opinion also would help you).

Just so you know, I will not trust bounty -altcoin- even if it where not headed/handled by a newbie, and bounty campaign -altcoin- has complications like
+ They choose not to pay in bitcoin
+ Payment is based on how the project does
+ Spam fest of campaign schedule -reporting weekly post-
+ Campaign going off the forum -social media, content -
+ Scam -possibilities-
that popular - professional- campaign manager will not want to get into,
And finally no rule stops them -newbies- from heading/handling bounty, and if they pay for copper membership they -newbies- can add images to their post

[Nellayar]

There is no difference between a newbie and well-known manager when it comes in handling a project. If the project will deceive bounty hunters, managers can't control that. Unless if they will pay in form of weekly basis (btc).

In altcoin bounties, we expect that 95% of bounties are waste of time. Even they handle by reputable managers. Look at Sylon, Sandra Evans and Btcltcdigger. They are good CM yet they still handled scam project.

If you feel that a CM has dark plan, just stay away in it's thread or better to conduct a research of it's legitimacy. So that, you will be able to tell to the community to avoid supporting that project.

[stompix]

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE

Probably not the best examples


BountyDetective
Date Registered:   October 15, 2019
Lol

Anyhow, the moment theymos does this it will be right after the hell has already frozen, KYC is mandatory, bitcoin is banned on bitcointalk and we all deal with onecoin.
Oh, and CSW is crowned Satoshi!

[acroman08]

I think theymos wouldn't even consider this. theymos doesn't want to prevent good newbies to start their business or their project in the forum just because there are scammers that are newbies. also, I don't see a problem if a newbie is managing a bounty or signature campaign and as far as I know there are newbies(probably member or a part of the company or project) that are able to properly manage a bounty or signature campaign without any problem.

[YOSHIE]

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

2. Can't it be just from well-RANKED members up other than Newbies flooding Bitcointalk with fake BOUNTY projects?

this does not apply to the campaign (Bounty), strict rules apply to Sig's campaign with BTC Pay to determine the reputation of a professional manager.

Companies and Bounty Altcoin, free to promote and advertise on this forum, it's up to the manager they want, beginner to Legendary, regardless of the responsibility of the Bitcointalk Forum, if things happen that are not wanted in the future.

Very simple, if you want to participate in a Bounty campaign with the end of the "good" story you choose the manager/good reputation, who manages the Bounty in running the campaign. (But that can't guarantee, sometimes a good manager can be fooled by certain Altcoin companies violate contractual agreements).
There is no compulsion if you have to participate in certain Bounty campaigns, in the end fraud/fake happens.

[so98nn]

Now My questions are:

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

2. Can't it be just from well-RANKED members up other than Newbies flooding Bitcointalk with fake BOUNTY projects?

I believe it is in hands of project owner who choose the bounty manager by himself. Most of the quick buck earners will fall for management of bounties where they are awarded with thousands of altcoins (of that project).

So, these are mostly lower ranked members and more over those who have newly registered in the forum.


If bounty manager is newbie then either the project owner is NOT serious about the project OR it is the project owner himself who is trying to manage the bounty.

I believe in both cases trust factor reduces next to zero.


So, forum can apply the rule but I seriously doubt theymos would want to do that as we may loose precious customers in the process if ANY. lol

[LoyceV]

Anyhow, the moment theymos does this it will be right after the hell has already frozen, KYC is mandatory, bitcoin is banned on bitcointalk and we all deal with onecoin.

Exactly. The forum's mission is to be "as free as possible", and freedom of speech prevails. Newbies are allowed to do this, scam's aren't moderated, and users are supposed to do their own research. It's really up to the bounty spammers ("Spambies") who join this, but they haven't cared for years. As long as they stay on the altcoin-spam-boards, I'd say let them do it

[dkbit98]

Only thing I would change for Newbies is not allowing them to create self-moderated topics until they become junior rank or higher.
Why?
Because most scam self-moderated topics are created like this, and real newbies don't even know there is a option for self-moderation.
Just sayin.

[Timmzzy]

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

If project choose to handle the job by a newbie, then what's problem of you? Avoid the bounties which are managed by them. It's we people who are feeding them to launch more.
It's none of forum issue. You can move it to altcoin service discussion.

Am not against projects been handled by newbies, but in a clear sense there should be where it is indicated that so so and so project gave them the go ahead. And for your information we have newbies too who are getting into Bitcointalk forum newly and mind you they don't really know their way around here what if they become an example of being scammed. This is for example if am to back out and never to talk about this.

[Mrengage]

Anyhow, the moment theymos does this it will be right after the hell has already frozen, KYC is mandatory, bitcoin is banned on bitcointalk and we all deal with onecoin.

Exactly. The forum's mission is to be "as free as possible", and freedom of speech prevails. Newbies are allowed to do this, scam's aren't moderated, and users are supposed to do their own research. It's really up to the bounty spammers ("Spambies") who join this, but they haven't cared for years. As long as they stay on the altcoin-spam-boards, I'd say let them do it

I believe he made up this topic for the safe side of other newbies who are coming into Bitcointalk to really Watch out and not to be a victim to scammers.

[Timelord2067]

I see someone has just bumped those six threads in the one section.  

Here's a challenge - pick six random threads in that same section ( Bounties (Altcoins) ) and use your bump powers to bump those other threads up thereby pushing these six threads way, way down the list.  If they aren't that good then they will be hidden from sight and soon forgotten.


BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

[Little Mouse]

Am not against projects been handled by newbies, but in a clear sense there should be where it is indicated that so so and so project gave them the go ahead. And for your information we have newbies too who are getting into Bitcointalk forum newly and mind you they don't really know their way around here what if they become an example of being scammed. This is for example if am to back out and never to talk about this.

Other than spam, almost nothing is moderated, not even scam is moderated. Check above replies. If theymos is to give them restrictions to go ahead, there will be a lot of mess etc. If a newbie comes here and get scammed by the scam bounty, that will be the newbies fault because they should know what they are going to do. And with a sole purpose of bounty hunting, no one should either join here.

[libert19]

It's not forum's job lol, the projects can decide to give bounty management to whoever they want to. If you don't like the newbie managing bounty, then don't join it.

[Timmzzy]

I see someone has just bumped those six threads in the one section.  

Here's a challenge - pick six random threads in that same section ( Bounties (Altcoins) ) and use your bump powers to bump those other threads up thereby pushing these six threads way, way down the list.  If they aren't that good then they will be hidden from sight and soon forgotten.


BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

this 👆, back then I was just more into Bounty which are Bounty reports that made the activities so. I will go through all of my old Bounty reports and get rid of them.

Am yet to understand this Bumb;

and use your bump powers to bump those other threads up thereby pushing these six threads way,

of a thing right here on bitcointalk which am still studying more about Bitcointalk forum.

[masulum]

Am yet to understand this Bumb;

and use your bump powers to bump those other threads up thereby pushing these six threads way,

of a thing right here on bitcointalk which am still studying more about Bitcointalk forum.

Basically, Bump is an activity to return a thread to the first page by making a new comment. However, for some boards, this activity is no longer affected and requires bump power. simple case about bump power
- Bump power is obtained from activities or merit and member can use bump button with their Bump Power
- Bump power is obtained from accumulative of member comments

You can read more about bump power in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183553.0

[lovesmayfamilis]

BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

this 👆, back then I was just more into Bounty which are Bounty reports that made the activities so. I will go through all of my old Bounty reports and get rid of them.

Yes, that is the right thought. Get rid of the bounty reports, thereby clear the forum. This should be a call to everyone who finally realized that the Bounty is a waste of time.
The NEWBIES manager is bad in that it allows filling the forum with bots, allowing participation in  with a red trust. Thus, motivating scammers to create more and more unnecessary spam. I want managers to carefully select people for advertising projects. This, I think, will benefit both sides. Both for projects and for the cleanliness of the forum.

[Pffrt]

It's not forum's job lol, the projects can decide to give bounty management to whoever they want to. If you don't like the newbie managing bounty, then don't join it.

Exactly, if people start to ignore newbie bounty manager, projects will be forced to hire experienced bounty manager which most of the scams project will never be able to do. Most of the bounty campaigns give a reward of $10/$15 or so equivalent of coin for working even couple of months. Why would you even join them. It's not the job of forum, it's your job to choose which one to join and which one to ignore.