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June 22, 2020, 02:42:05 AM
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Ngunit ang tanong ko lang, pag ba nagstart ako ng stock trading and kumita dito, itatax ako ng BIR? Kasi online lang ang media na ginamit ko in which hindi sakop and instead na taxable job ito is nagiging convenient and free access sa iba. Would this be taxable?

With most if not all Philippine stock brokers, auto kaltas na agad ung tax every time you buy or sell, which is really good in my opinion para hindi na hassle na isasama mo pa ung stocks mo pag magffile ka ng taxes every year.
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June 22, 2020, 12:20:24 PM
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With most if not all Philippine stock brokers, auto kaltas na agad ung tax every time you buy or sell, which is really good in my opinion para hindi na hassle na isasama mo pa ung stocks mo pag magffile ka ng taxes every year.

Paano ito nakakaltas? I mean kasi madaming online broker ngayon na wala namang tax na nakaindicate eh and you get lahat ng profits na makukuha mo sa pagtrade mo depende sa kung what price mo ito isinesell, parang crypto trading lang din. And AFAIK pag naghire ka ng stock broker mo na ang occupation is trading, 20 pesos lang ang pinaka minimum na kukuhain ng broker then pag lagpas na 5k (i think) .25% nalang ang kukuhain nito (based lamang sa nabasa ko dati). Therefore, I don't think na may tax ang online trading kahit stocks pa yan or forex.
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June 22, 2020, 01:01:49 PM
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Paano ito nakakaltas? I mean kasi madaming online broker ngayon na wala namang tax na nakaindicate eh and you get lahat ng profits na makukuha mo sa pagtrade mo depende sa kung what price mo ito isinesell, parang crypto trading lang din. And AFAIK pag naghire ka ng stock broker mo na ang occupation is trading, 20 pesos lang ang pinaka minimum na kukuhain ng broker then pag lagpas na 5k (i think) .25% nalang ang kukuhain nito (based lamang sa nabasa ko dati). Therefore, I don't think na may tax ang online trading kahit stocks pa yan or forex.

Literally automatically as you make the trade. I'm talking about online stock broker platforms like COL Financial, BPI Trade, First Metro Sec, etc, hindi ung personal broker na pwedeng ihire(no experience on this case).

And yes, may taxes talaga ang stocks. Probably ask your bookkeeper or probably contact BIR nalang for a more detailed answer concerning taxes. Marami lang hindi nagbabayad pag gumagamit ng foreign brokers, pero it doesn't mean na walang taxes.
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June 22, 2020, 01:31:58 PM
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Literally automatically as you make the trade. I'm talking about online stock broker platforms like COL Financial, BPI Trade, First Metro Sec, etc, hindi ung personal broker na pwedeng ihire(no experience on this case).

And yes, may taxes talaga ang stocks. Probably ask your bookkeeper or probably contact BIR nalang for a more detailed answer concerning taxes. Marami lang hindi nagbabayad pag gumagamit ng foreign brokers, pero it doesn't mean na walang taxes.

Tama ka mk4 pero hindi auto deduction ang tax ng sa pag bili, nadededuct lang ito kapag binebenta na, and the tax is by stock transaction tax na may 0.6% deduction rate pero hindi siya depending sa kung ganno kalaki kinita mo but rather sa kung anong presyo mo ito binenta. And the filing of taxes kapag online trading or kahit anong investment pa yan sa stocks isn't your responsibility but rather your broker's.

I've seen this article recently and it's a good read in how investments are taxed:
How are investments taxed?

here's a quote pertaining to the matter:
Yes, you have to pay taxes, but you don't have to file returns anymore. If you’re investing in the stock market, that means you're investing in a listed company. The applicable tax for that would be a 0.6% stock transaction tax for every time you sell your shares. The 0.6% tax will be imposed on the gross selling price of the stock, not on your gains. So, even if you lost money in your trade, you still have to pay the tax.



Paano ito nakakaltas? I mean kasi madaming online broker ngayon na wala namang tax na nakaindicate eh and you get lahat ng profits na makukuha mo sa pagtrade mo depende sa kung what price mo ito isinesell, parang crypto trading lang din. And AFAIK pag naghire ka ng stock broker mo na ang occupation is trading, 20 pesos lang ang pinaka minimum na kukuhain ng broker then pag lagpas na 5k (i think) .25% nalang ang kukuhain nito (based lamang sa nabasa ko dati). Therefore, I don't think na may tax ang online trading kahit stocks pa yan or forex.

Tama naman yung 20 pesos minimum and the .25% deduction pero ito ay parang porsyento lamang ng iyong broker pero ibang usapan na kasi kapag ibang tao ang naghandle ng stock investments mo in which soon gagawan ko ng panibagong thread and I might put there the FAQ about stock investments. Gaya nga sinabi ko, there was 0.6% deduction sa selling transactions ng isang stock trader.
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June 22, 2020, 08:54:36 PM
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Regarding sa TIN siguro swerte na din ako na pumasok ako sa stock exchange na estudyante ako at friendly yung stock broker namin na kahit wala daw tin basta nasa college ka pa din. When I asked kung paano naman yung mga hindi makakapag-submit ng TIN na graduate or matanda na hindi din naman sila pinag-babawal ang gagawin lang nila is iho-hold yung dividends na makukuha mo until makapag-provide ka ng TIN number sakanila.
Lucky! As far as I know nowadays pag wala kang TIN, kailangang ipangalan sa parents mo muna.

Wala naman kasing age limit for stock investing in the first place eh kaya sa tingin ko ang TIN requirement is not that strict for students until now. For adults without TIN until now I suggest that you start visiting your assigned BIR Regional District Office and bring a printed copy of Form-1901 kung isa kang self-employed or mixed income earner if you are an employee it's as easy as calling your HR department and asking your TIN number for the purposes of KYC mas convenient nga ang mga employed individuals kasi yung first company nila ang umaasikaso ng TIN.


I don't know the exact numbers pero mukhang mas madami pa ang nasa crypto trading kumpara sa sariling stock market natin. Natatandaan ko dun sa isa kong post at least 17% ng internet users ay may hawak ng cryptocurrencies kumpara naman sa stock market na wala pang 1% ng populasyon ang kasama dito. Di ko alam ang totoong dahilan pero may dati nadin kasing research na yung mga millenials sa South Korea and Japan ay nagte-tend to invest in the crypto market dahil mas mabilis yung price movement dito kumpara sa stock market and baka kasama na din ito sa dahilan ng mga Filipino kung bakit mas madami ang nasa crypto trading kumpara sa sarili nating stock market.
Whatever the number is, I wouldn't be surprised. Malayong mas madali kasi pasukin ang cryptocurrency markets dahil hindi pa mahigpit lahat ng exchanges sa ngayon; and not to mention ung mga UI/UX ng most of mga stock brokers natin dito sa PH e parang website na ginawa nung 90s pa. *I'm looking at you, COL Financial*

Personally I have nothing against with their UI sa pagkakatanda ko nga ng nasa Philstocks ako there was a time that they upgraded their trading platform na sobrang complex and come to the point that their own clients didn't like it matapos ng mga dalawang linggo nag revert back sila sa similar na simpleng platform. Sometimes complexity isn't really what you will be looking for in a trading platform, sabi nga ng mga nakakatandang trader sa mga FB groups na kasama ako na mas boring a trading platform mas hindi ka magiging makulit sa mga trades mo and mostly they are referring to BPItrade's platform.
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June 23, 2020, 01:33:24 AM
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Tama ka mk4 pero hindi auto deduction ang tax ng sa pag bili, nadededuct lang ito kapag binebenta na, and the tax is by stock transaction tax na may 0.6% deduction rate pero hindi siya depending sa kung ganno kalaki kinita mo but rather sa kung anong presyo mo ito binenta. And the filing of taxes kapag online trading or kahit anong investment pa yan sa stocks isn't your responsibility but rather your broker's.

Woops, thanks for correcting. Was reading multiple posts and forgot that we were specifically talking about taxes lul. Nasa isip ko ung kaltas sa transactions in general, kasi may broker commission fees pa na kakaltas sa buy/sell trades, hence the famous "8k rule" sa Philippine stock markets.
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June 23, 2020, 02:57:40 AM
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Dati interesado ako sa stocks target ko nga dati is PS bank medyo malaki lang kasi starting capital, pero nung mas naintindihan ko pa ang crypto trading eh mas ginusto ko na ito dahil sa mas mabilis at marami kang pwedeng pagpilian na itrade. Pero kinokonsider ko pa rin itong stock, meron ka bang irerecommend liban dito sa BDO? ayaw ko na kasing magopen dyan sa BDO dahil yung account ko kinclose nila without any further notice dahil lang sa nagagamit ko ito sa crypto trading.
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June 24, 2020, 02:10:43 AM
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My guess is maraming nag ccrypto trading at hindi nag sstock trading dahil:

1. Either walang TIN number, or ayaw lang mag effort ang mga tao na magsubmit ng documents and requirements sa stock brokers. Whereas sa Binance hindi mo na kailangan ng KYC(for now).

2. Probably dahil ang mga funds ng tao dito ay galing sa mga bounties at signature campaigns, hence dinederetso nalang nila sa exchange ung funds, kesa ibenta sa pesos.

Itong number one applicable sa akin ito kung maari lalo na ngayun parang nag hihigpit na yung Bir sa mga kumikita online parang mas  gusto ko na walang paraan ma trace ang kitaan ko sa online hindi naman sobrang laki ang kitaan natin dito para makisosyo pa ang BIR may cost din tayo sa effrot natin dito sa siognature bounty at ang income ay hindi rin guaranteed.
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