Lives vs Economy -- sad truth

[mariah.sadio]

Its sound logical and i support this decision to sort patients by age

[maydna]

I don't believe if the paramedic, doctor, and nurse do that because, as far as I know, they work based on the conditions of the person, and if someone has critical and really needs help, they will do what it needs to save that person. No matter if their ages more than 40+, they will get the first help.

People who age more than 40+ will be more susceptible than younger people because they don't have good immunity, and their health will be too risky. If you found that the hospitals do that, I think you can report them to your government to investigate the truth and give a warning or punishment to the hospital.

[raidarksword]

Both lives are important that's why government urges everyone to stay at home especially to those who has weak immune system and elderly people who have the high risk to be  infected with the virus. We must also consider that this pandemic caused chaos that not all patients can be treated  right away in the hospital due to massive admission of patients. In service of people during this pandemic, hospital should not make selection who is rich or poor because life is more important than status in the society.

[samputin]

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Is this your assumption, or you have proof?

The common reason why a person rejected from healthcare service (in bad healthcare system countries) is that he cannot pay or the hospital is terrible (cannot deal with Covid).

Sad but true. I've heard so many news regarding this kind of situation—people being rejected because of the lack of capacity to pay for the hospital bills. And it breaks my heart when I see such because I can't do anything to help.

However, I believe that every life is important regardless of the age or social status. I don't know if op have some evidence that will prove such claim, but it is not impossible especially now that we are in a crisis. Maybe some governments will be practical and just save or prioritize those who they think are beneficial, those whom they think still have the capability to work and provide money for the government through their taxes.

Well, I also don't have proof but from what I see, our country is doing its best to save the lives of those covid patients, whether young or old. I just hope that what I see is true, though.

[GeorgeJohn]

As we are dealing with the pandemic, the virus disease is prone to old citizens they have a weaker immune system than an average person and young adults  part

This pandemic according the author,this virus is not prone to the old citizens base on immune system, the virus is for everyone living it does not differentiate any one,a new born baby is the immune system not strong,  1 year old baby contacted corona virus.
Brotherly the virus is base on the environment we find our selves.close contact with affected one.

[plvbob0070]

I think some countries who are facing an extreme number of cases where hospitals and frontliners cannot prioritize every one, have to choose who will treat first. But I don't think it's about who will be helpful in the economy, they are doing it due to the lack of manpower, facilities, medicines, and some PPEs, they are left with no choice but to treat those who are more capable of surviving.

I believe that as much as they can, hospitals and medical teams are trying to treat everyone with COVID. They don't put criteria to who deserves to live or not. The government as well are providing them the equipment they will need but it's not enough to treat everyone since cases keep on increasing every day. We can't blame them since they are already sacrificing a lot. Even older people can still survive the virus, it just depends on how critically ill they are, so we cannot say that it's all about the age.

[Febo]

Unfortanetly the oldest and poorest part of the population is hit the hardest with corona. And now with most countries starting their economies again, the death numbers will probably rise again.

Just look at Sweden, they never really managed to impose a lock down and have much higher fatality rates than the other nordic countries. Which most of their deaths being from the retired population. We should be taking better care of the older people than this. 

Ideally would be to quarantine older and sick and let everyone else to just lie their life normally. But that is very hard to do. You would need to move vast amount of people.

[gentlemand]

The sad truth is that some of them are not getting attention from the hospitals, why? because they prioritize a person based on its age, why? because it would be more worthy if you save a productive person over an old and weak person.

The elderly can't take the extremely invasive interventions that the treatment needs. You're pretty much guaranteed to kill them. That's the essence of the triage taking place.

I'm sure more brutal policies are in place with weaker health systems and it happened in places with good systems that were overwhelmed, but in many a case an 80-90 yr old who is severely ill is looking at death from the virus or from the attempts to save them.

[Naida_BR]

As we are dealing with the pandemic, the virus disease is prone to old citizens they have a weaker immune system than an average person and young adults although we also have a lot of cases of them too but there are more people who ages 40+ in the tallied cases. The sad truth is that some of them are not getting attention from the hospitals, why? because they prioritize a person based on its age, why? because it would be more worthy if you save a productive person over an old and weak person. The government is really doing this for the economy in the future days.

We really have to deal with deaths, it is part of living 

This is one of the reason that people believe that the virus is made.
It is said that it targets older people in order to decrease the population of the world and especially decrease the over 70 population.
Partially the have made to do so.

[gentlemand]

This is one of the reason that people believe that the virus is made.
It is said that it targets older people in order to decrease the population of the world and especially decrease the over 70 population.
Partially the have made to do so.

Or, just maybe, your entire immune system going into a frenzy and eating your body is just a little bit harder on a body nearing the end of its useful life.

It's a crazy thought I know, but it could possibly be true?

[mu_enrico]

Its sound logical and i support this decision to sort patients by age

F*ckin hell dude! I bet you will retract your statement if you are currently categorized as old people.

The only thing that still matters is money, if you don't have money, you will have a hard time to survive this Covid-19 pandemic.

Sad but true. I've heard so many news regarding this kind of situation—people being rejected because of the lack of capacity to pay for the hospital bills. And it breaks my heart when I see such because I can't do anything to help.

Well, that's a sad truth in this world, not only about Covid but also cancers, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, etc. But it is an entirely different discussion because the issue raised by OP is about old age discrimination which I never heard of.

Anyways, the distribution of healthcare is similar to the distribution of resources in terms of scarcity, however, I don't know if I can 100% support the free-market on healthcare. I think private hospitals should be able to do whatever they want, but for public hospitals, taxpayers' money should be allocated to give equal treatment for all.

[gentlemand]

taxpayers' money should be allocated to give equal treatment for all.

You can't give equal treatment to people who won't respond in an equal way. What brings someone younger back from the brink kills someone older stone dead. It's the same as giving a heart transplant to a 100yr old. It's technically possible but the odds are extremely high they'll die during it and be debilitated after it if they survive.

[FanEagle]

Not all of us live in a country where you have to pay for the hospitals. We pay taxes for that and we get free healthcare after that (well, it is not free since we pay taxes but after the taxes there is nothing more to pay). So, I can go to hospital from anything like a simple cough (right now even simple cough seems dangerous but think of any other era) to cancer and not pay a single cent and just get the treatment I need.

However during this period there was definitely situations where younger people got more attention than older people not because you want to get the productive people back to work, but more about how old people have lower chance to survive so you want to put your attention to people you can survive instead of putting it for old people in futile attempt. Sounds horrible but when you are talking about death numbers bigger than any war in the past 20 years combined, it becomes more logical.

[Cvetik56]

Not all of us live in a country where you have to pay for the hospitals. We pay taxes for that and we get free healthcare after that (well, it is not free since we pay taxes but after the taxes there is nothing more to pay). So, I can go to hospital from anything like a simple cough (right now even simple cough seems dangerous but think of any other era) to cancer and not pay a single cent and just get the treatment I need.

There are capitalistic countries like us which obviously chooses money and economic > people.
But there certainly are many countries with much different approach to this

[mu_enrico]

You can't give equal treatment to people who won't respond in an equal way. What brings someone younger back from the brink kills someone older stone dead. It's the same as giving a heart transplant to a 100yr old. It's technically possible but the odds are extremely high they'll die during it and be debilitated after it if they survive.

I believe you familiar with the term "equality of opportunity" therefore:

The society left open the possibility of transplanting hearts into patients over age 70, as long as recipients were otherwise in very good health.
“Many of these older patients can transition to an even older age while maintaining a very good quality of life. Why would we deny someone that opportunity?” said Dr. Mandeep Mehra

...

To qualify, older men and women are supposed to have well-functioning kidneys, lungs, blood vessels, livers and other organs; good nutritional status and muscle strength; no cancer or chronic illnesses like diabetes; and the ability to comply with demanding self-care regimens after a transplant, including a lifetime of taking powerful immunosuppressant drugs, among other requirements.

Source: https://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/heart-transplants-for-older-patients/

As long as the recipients QUALIFY, no matter what age, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, political affiliation, etc., etc., they must get into the waiting list. It is much better than negative selections by any group identity or demography.

[glowing10]

Its sound logical and i support this decision to sort patients by age

Each human live is precious and that is why all countries have asked kids and senior citizens to stay at home as they could easily become infected by this virus to lack of immunity as compared to other age groups . Also some countries like Italy where all hospitals were full and still can only take certain no of patients they decided to ignore the senior citizens as compared to younger ones as they had left with no choice.

[Lorence.xD]

Its sound logical and i support this decision to sort patients by age

Each human live is precious and that is why all countries have asked kids and senior citizens to stay at home as they could easily become infected by this virus to lack of immunity as compared to other age groups . Also some countries like Italy where all hospitals were full and still can only take certain no of patients they decided to ignore the senior citizens as compared to younger ones as they had left with no choice.

The problem with the government is that most of their measures to prevent the spread of the virus is half-assed which means that they are trying to compromise the safety of their position with their political positions, they look at us like pawns that can be dispensable, I hate to say it but the truth has to be told. I agree that they should do an economic recharge but wouldn't the safety of the workers be finalized? The greatest asset of a country is its human resources, they want to save the economy in expense to the lives of the masses, this is the most hypocritical times ever since, there shouldn't be sacrifices if they know what to do.

[DPrillio]

Its sound logical and i support this decision to sort patients by age

Each human live is precious and that is why all countries have asked kids and senior citizens to stay at home as they could easily become infected by this virus to lack of immunity as compared to other age groups . Also some countries like Italy where all hospitals were full and still can only take certain no of patients they decided to ignore the senior citizens as compared to younger ones as they had left with no choice.

It should be an option for sorting patients according by age as all lives are important and valuable by the people who needs and love us, I will agree this logical way of thinking if the goverment is already exhausted of medical support and facilities and they  need to select what is the best to save the current economy's situation.

[Sanitough]

When there's a very limited resources, that would happen, it's very unfortunate to the old people because they might be in the last priority.

However, if you have money, you can always get the treatment you like, based on what I read, in the Philippines, in our country it's very expenses to pay for the medication if you like to get a good treatment from the private hospital, probably in public hospitals it's quite different compared to the way people are being treated in private hospitals and that's the sad reality for poor countries.

[lienfaye]

That was really happening specially in poor countries and based on what I see. The public hospitals prioritize the younger adults rather than the old ones and also because they are lacking of facility to treat all the patients. Its another story if you're from a rich family and capable to support all the medication needed and can pay the necessary things to cure yourself. Those unfortunate people has no choice but to depend on the government's help to get them cured.