A Poker Odds Calculator is a Perfect Tool for Poker?

[arallmuus]

It *might* help you playing online, but I've seen Texas Hold Em can get pretty quick, so by the time you've entered details it's back to your turn again and everyone is waiting.

I expect that anyone that play online poker is definitely not a 'beginner' anymore because it involves some money unless of course it is some freeroll. I refer this to a total beginner that dont know a full house is higher than a straight or a flush, complete total 'beginner'. Assuming that you are a higher level than the 'beginner' stage and you choose to use this, Imagine how hard would it be to concentrate while using this

This could be good to use at post game review when you want to review your chances on specific round but again there is better calculator out there

a next level odds calculator i recommend is pokerstove: https://www.cardschat.com/poker-stove.php

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[figmentofmyass]

I really can't see myself sitting in a Casino and blurting out "Hang on people, I'll just check the odds of these two cards against the app in my pocket."

It *might* help you playing online, but I've seen Texas Hold Em can get pretty quick, so by the time you've entered details it's back to your turn again and everyone is waiting.

As an educational tool for someone starting out it could be ok, but people should familiarise themselves with the odds in play ahead of game day.

it's really not for use at the table---more so for reviewing hands afterwards.

when difficult spots come up, it's important to analyze them after the fact, determine your opponents' ranges, and run the odds so that you better understand where you stand next time.

once you get simple odds down (made hands, draws) then you can start incorporating things like pot odds, fold equity, ICM, etc to get a more complete view of the probabilities at play. poker is all about extracting value in EV+ situations when your opponents are gambling with bad odds.

[serjent05]

My thought, the tool is useless as per OP's experience.  There is no way we can predict the outcome of the poker session with this kind of calculator.  We can't just calculate the possibility by just the cards on the hand.  People have this thing called strategy, and that automatically nullifies the effectiveness of the calculated possibility of that calculator.

[sheenshane]

I never thought that there's a tool like this that can able to calculate possible on hand results.

Poker is a very tricky game for me, it might require players in good analyzing, both the cards on hand and the opponent's mind. I believed that a poker player is good in mind reading but sometimes bluffing might become harder for you to think the opponent's possible combination of cards.

How this bot gives a perfect result in having decisions like when you will decide to fold or place bet more and thinking that you have better odds.

[Darker45]

Very far from being a perfect tool. Well, it somehow measures how strong your hand is but then it is not something that will act as your perfect guide even in a single round. After all, it is poker. And that tool does not have any idea as to your opponents' cards. The tool does not predict either.

From the OP's image, your 59.4% winning probability vs. your opponents' 40.6% may not actually end up in your favor. You should never ever rely on it.

If, for example, somebody would all in, would you call given that your winning chance as per the tool is 59.4%? To be frank, I won't. I won't be absolutely trusting my pair of Kings in this case. It could easily be defeated with a pair of 9s or a seemingly very weak hand as a 10-diamond and 2-heart.

[maydna]

At least, the new people can learn how to match the cards with the tools to know what they need to do if they have those cards. Perhaps, they can improve their skills in poker games, and they will have more experience, so that can help them to against more poker players to get more experience. I am sure that if they can learn from those tools, they will have more strategies that will be useful for them in every poker game. And who knows, if they can improve their skills, they can be a new pro poker player, and they will more chance to win the poker tournaments.

We should try to do many things to become a pro poker player if that is our dream, and we should not give up before we succeed to reach the goals.

[Nellayar]

Sometimes you can win using that calculator but there are also times that it will lead you to lose. In poker, it is not just the cards your are playing with, you should also know what other players hand. If you are greed to call because this odds calculate 60% chance of winning, you may turn down when you see that your opponent have a great cards. Yes, we can use this but don`t be dependent your game in calculator. We have our own guts in playing, we just need to believe in ourselves.

[figmentofmyass]

From the OP's image, your 59.4% winning probability vs. your opponents' 40.6% may not actually end up in your favor. You should never ever rely on it.

you can't rely on anything that is chance-based. i will say though, although 60/40 flips are high variance (you will win many and also lose many) they are profitable in the long run. in cash games you can get your chips in all day with those odds.

[leea-1334]

If, for example, somebody would all in, would you call given that your winning chance as per the tool is 59.4%? To be frank, I won't. I won't be absolutely trusting my pair of Kings in this case. It could easily be defeated with a pair of 9s or a seemingly very weak hand as a 10-diamond and 2-heart.

I would. If the tool is a good one and it calculates percentage properly I would always call at such odds. 60% is too good to miss out. I will win 6 out of 10 times. Why not?

Of course we have to give amounts too. $10 buy in I do not blink,,, $1000?

[Darker45]

From the OP's image, your 59.4% winning probability vs. your opponents' 40.6% may not actually end up in your favor. You should never ever rely on it.

you can't rely on anything that is chance-based. i will say though, although 60/40 flips are high variance (you will win many and also lose many) they are profitable in the long run. in cash games you can get your chips in all day with those odds.

I'm afraid it may not be applicable to poker. As a matter of fact, I don't even think this kind of odds calculator is reflecting your hand's real winning probability.

If this tool would include in its winning probability calculation the cards of your opponents, the number of times your opponent is raising his/her bet, the amount raised, whether or not he/she is going all in, and so on, then it would be more or less sophisticated and kind of reliable. But if what it only does is measure your own hand's strength, I don't think you can rely on it.

After all, back to the OP's image, the probability that one of your opponents is having a royal flush is there; the probability that one of your opponents is having a straight flush is there; the probability that one of your opponents is having a four-of-a-kind is also there. And what you have is only Full house.  

[alani123]

This tool, and any tool like such, will only benefit its users long term.

If you know you have the advantage in odds and manage your raises accordingly, long term you're bound to win more. But most online competitive platforms take measures to prevent external assistance for players. And the format for online games is paced in such a way that it's not very easy to input all the data. If you're found too, then you might be banned. So these bots might be good to use if someone uses a bot that can also take in all the data automatically from competitive tables and run it long term. Not sure which platforms would allow it. But otherwise it's just an interesting experiment.

[iv4n]

Odds are one thing, but poker is much more. In poker, you don't play against odds, you play against other people, who can be very unpredictable! More than odds you need to respect blinds and how other people play specific hands, with specific cards... and man believe me if you wish to survive in long run you need to go against the odds, and you will have to do that many times!
I wrote about it here, in poker in 90% (more or less) you don't have a showdown! After playing many hands you realize it's not what cards you have, it's about how will you play and what you show with your chips!

[KTChampions]

This is a great tool, but for professional online players this is a tiny fraction of the tools that are required. The most important thing is information about opponents - statistics of their behavior in different situations. Such statistics are collected by third-party programs and access to their database costs money (as far as I know in the form of a paid subscription).

[figmentofmyass]

I'm afraid it may not be applicable to poker. As a matter of fact, I don't even think this kind of odds calculator is reflecting your hand's real winning probability.

it definitely applies to poker. what that odds calculator is showing is the actual probability of winning at showdown---in other words, it assumes neither player folds and the hand plays through to the river.

when this hand is run thousands and thousands of times, it roughly boils down to a 60/40 flip every single time:



if you are consistently playing 60/40 favorites in a cash game setting, then you will profit over the long run.

If this tool would include in its winning probability calculation the cards of your opponents, the number of times your opponent is raising his/her bet, the amount raised, whether or not he/she is going all in, and so on, then it would be more or less sophisticated and kind of reliable.

yes, we also need to incorporate things like fold equity and pot odds and implied odds to get a better understanding of the complete set of probabilities at play.

but those types of odds are "next level" thinking. the most basic level to master first is showdown odds.

After all, back to the OP's image, the probability that one of your opponents is having a royal flush is there; the probability that one of your opponents is having a straight flush is there; the probability that one of your opponents is having a four-of-a-kind is also there. And what you have is only Full house.  

or the probability one of your opponents is bluffing, chasing a weak draw, or has a weaker made hand. this brings us to another "next level" concept---playing against ranges of hands rather than one specific hand.

very seldom will you be able to read the exact hand your opponent is holding. usually you are playing against a range of possible hands, including the nuts, weaker made hands, draws, and pure bluffs.

a next level odds calculator i recommend is pokerstove: https://www.cardschat.com/poker-stove.php

it allows you to incorporate things like hand ranges, opponents with random hands, etc and is free.

[kire - cryptzino]

@DoublerHunter, if you just start playing, you may find it useful.

But after playing a few thousand hands, you will know the odds without even think of. And in most cases, you need to know approximates. E.g. AK vs AQ ~75%/25% without bothering for perfection. Those are called basic preflop odds. 

If you really want to progress, check some advanced stuff like GTO Poker Strategy. Here is a brief intro: https://www.pokerstarsschool.com/strategies/an-introduction-to-gto-poker-strategy/1711/

[KTChampions]

I thought about this: let's say you have AA in your arms. You go allin. And according to the odds calculator, your odds are ~ 90% (I didn’t check, I just guess as this information is not important for further discussion). But your real chances are less because if someone answers you, he (presumably) will have a stronger hand than the "average" with respect to which the chances are calculated.
I'm right?

[figmentofmyass]

I thought about this: let's say you have AA in your arms. You go allin. And according to the odds calculator, your odds are ~ 90% (I didn’t check, I just guess as this information is not important for further discussion). But your real chances are less because if someone answers you, he (presumably) will have a stronger hand than the "average" with respect to which the chances are calculated.
I'm right?

it's more complicated than that. in holdem, when it comes to starting hands, hand strength is not static. it changes relative to your opponent's holdings.

statistically, AA is the best possible starting hand. KK is the 2nd best possible starting hand. however, when it comes to AA vs KK, the KK player would be better off holding something like a low-mid suited connector like 65s, which would give him a 4.5% better chance of winning at showdown.





this represents the value of "live cards" where your opponent doesn't have you dominated pair over pair or out-kicked.

[kawetsriyanto]

Good tools and probably will help the gamblers to have higher chances of winning. I just realize about this calculator for poker.
However, can it be said as perfect tool for poker? I don't think that when going to play poker, someone really needs to use certain tools to win.
Imagine that all of the players in fact use the calculator at the same table and we don't know each other. What will happen? They also have the similar chance to win. It means that of course, the strategies and also how the game works will also really determine how the player will win or lose.

[Timelord2067]

I thought about this: let's say you have AA in your arms. You go allin. And according to the odds calculator, your odds are ~ 90% (I didn’t check, I just guess as this information is not important for further discussion). But your real chances are less because if someone answers you, he (presumably) will have a stronger hand than the "average" with respect to which the chances are calculated.
I'm right?

You can have AA the guy next to you AK and I'm holding 93 (my two cards are the same suit).

AA goes all in, the flop is QJ7 (the J7 are the same suit as my 93 so I call)

AK goes all in on the turn with a ten (AK now has all four suits)

on the river I get a suited card 5 so out of the three of us I win with a flush beating the unsuited straight and the lonely pair of AA's (my highest card is the Jack).

Waiting to see what cards come out goes a long way to determining whether or not to go all in no matter how attractive the cards might look.


From my point of view, AK could have just as easily had 98 making a queen high unsuited straight, but I still know that my suited flush beats his unsuited straight.

[famososMuertos]

OP: I don't know! if to say the precise or perfect tool for the Poker, but if for the one that begins to play.

Many who are dedicated to playing ignore potodds, but at the beginning, those who want to be successful in the long term of poker have to play with potodds, pot odds are the brake, not to play with the heart.

You don't need a calculator, it's really a simple division that relates your bet to the chance of winning what is in the pot, versus the probability of your hand.

First you must learn what is your probability (odds) of winning a hand and with that you can calculate them doods.

In poker pot odds are constantly repeated, but opponents and situations are what change.

In conclusion, you need to learn how to calculate PotOdds in importance, that concept is what is really important, but first learn how to calculate Odds.