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June 23, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
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I am just asking about a simple fluid way to merit other members if possible.
It's the nature of unintended consequences. Adding a faucet means that you are producing infinite inflation and essentially making the whole point of merit sources nil, if anyone can simply draw merit from an empty cavity whenever they want some.

Imagine hosts of accounts all suddenly sending merit to other accounts. Wink

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June 23, 2020, 11:58:19 AM
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Merit source have more freedom that you think, there are few merit sources who give fixed decent amount of merit to all posts/threads to save their time.
There are even very few cases where merit source read some posts of a user and decide to give 50 merits straight.
Or doing something similar to DdmrDdmr who marked good posts with one merit and then come back later when his sMerit source refills to merit those marked good posts with more merits.
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June 23, 2020, 01:39:55 PM
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~snip~

There is already a sMerit faucet and it's called writing good, useful, helpful, whatever posts Smiley I know it's not easy, and also depends a bit on your rank, in which boards you normally post and individual time constraints, but it's doable and in your own hands more or less.

The user who created the post you want to merit probably put some effort into writing that post, so you could put more effort in your posts then as well to receive merit and reward the effort the other user has taken. It's in your power, if you want to go that route and if you feel it's worth the hassle for being able to merit a post every now and then. Sounds a bit harsh, sorry if too harsh Smiley, but it's a domino system in the end and the starting point are always good posts.

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June 23, 2020, 02:03:24 PM
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The chances of it being abused are too high and I don't think such a faucet will ever be introduced on Bitcointalk. The only way it could potentially work is if the faucet would be available only for higher ranked members with years of activity on the forum and a clean record. But then again, who is going to check all those members? And then the lower ranks would complain that the system is unfair and whatnot.

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June 23, 2020, 02:13:30 PM
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~snip~

There is already a sMerit faucet and it's called writing good, useful, helpful, whatever posts Smiley I know it's not easy, and also depends a bit on your rank, in which boards you normally post and individual time constraints, but it's doable and in your own hands more or less.

The user who created the post you want to merit probably put some effort into writing that post, so you could put more effort in your posts then as well to receive merit and reward the effort the other user has taken. It's in your power, if you want to go that route and if you feel it's worth the hassle for being able to merit a post every now and then. Sounds a bit harsh, sorry if too harsh Smiley, but it's a domino system in the end and the starting point are always good posts.
Nah feel free to say anything  Smiley
I just take things like a retired dude, sitting in a coffee shop, minding his own business and avoid sitting too close to good/bad clans, throwing few cents to poor people sitting outside so they can enter and buy a coffee. The places where I sit are pretty much the same with the ~ same folks and have no intention to change it. Running around rich guys and sitting near them in the table is profitable but I will be no longer strong independent person Tongue Trying to attract them or spend time scraping data and making graph (for example) or something else isn't my thing and I doubt I will do it.
I am cool where I am. I am requesting admins if this idea or a modified one could be considered that's all  Smiley

Edit: BTW I feel some people here are allergic from the word "faucet" or they didn't read (carefully) what I meant hmmm. (not talking about you tyKiwanuka).

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June 23, 2020, 02:34:42 PM
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how about adding 3 different rankings on merit sources? like High merit source, Middle merit source and low merit source? so other members can apply for a lower-ranking merit source for lower criteria and for lower smerit? this could give a chance to other established members that didn't meet the current criteria for being a merit source?

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June 23, 2020, 02:40:14 PM
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I recall @Jet Cash coming up with an idea to allow for sMerits to be delegated: I've just invented dMerits.

That, alongside some assignment and control parameters seemed interesting at the time, and could be a valid approach if dealt with in a limited way, and from the Merit Source outwards, taking as a basis that a Merit Source (at least the more established ones) should have a good enough criteria to designate whom they would delegate a bunch of sMerits to.


The way I see it dMerits understood as delegate merits could have two non-collisional paths:

1.   Delegate Merit as @Jet Cash suggest, where by a Merit Source transfers some sMerit to person of his choice (with no Merit added to the recipient’s Merit counter).

This would have the advantage of delegating some sMerit to others on a discretionary basis, and may help the Merit Source to distribute his sMerits with less of a burden and over a wider network. This approach does not increase the overall Merit Source monthly allowance, but it could help to empty it out on a monthly basis, thus increasing overall received sMerit by the forum members.

The disadvantage is that, although Merit Sources are trusted by theymos for this task (as they are approved or pre-chosen on a one to one basis), there should be a certain degree of tracking taking place so as to avoid speculation on the sMerit transfers from the Merit Source to the Delegate.
Perhaps the transfer process could create a TX just like every other sMerit transfer, but where the message Id involved would have to be an internal reserved code that indicates “delegate merit transfer” (i.e. User A awarded User B n sMerits for this post: “delegate merit transfer”).


2.   Appoint a "D" Merit Source. Each Merit Source could appoint another person as a "D" Merit Source.
Merit Sources I figure are assigned a monthly allowance after being cleared, and probably classified in some sort of A/B/C category, where the monthly allowance depends on the category.
The idea is that the "D" category would be a Merit Source with less of a sMerit monthly allowance than a regular Merit Source, but that is vouched for by the Merit Source. This only makes sense if Merit Sources are considered scarce, and as a means to speed-up the process of finding trustworthy members for the task.

Now in order to avoid any speculation or foul use (although unlikely to happen with a Merit Source), the "D" source would need to be cleared by theymos just as any other Merit Source, but perhaps at a swifter pace since he would already be backed by a Merit Source that appoints him.
The "D" source should be a reputable member too, and have decent experience at giving merit with a fair criteria that the Merit Source has cleared. It would also probably be better if the Merit Networks of the Merit Source and "D" source do not coincide too much (see image below).

The advantage of this procedure is that, if there is any real intent to add more Merit Sources to the system with a bit of haste, these would be already vouched for by existing Merit Sources, and could be quicker to appoint.

Say for example @Jet Cash considers @Seoincorporation to be a good candidate for being a "D" source. @Seincorporation has previously indicated on the forum that he would like to be able to give out more merits, but perhaps not become a full merit source (correct me if I’m wrong though). In addition, their Merit Networks as sMerit awarders do not coincide too much <…>
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June 23, 2020, 02:47:53 PM
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I believe the intention behind this is good and truly, we can't deny that there are around 3 million users on this forum and we just can't put the complete burden on merit sources alone as they can't/won't be able to match everyone's ideology here (I'm not questioning their decisions on whom / who not to be given merits) but the fact is, my thinking and my way of giving merits to users is different considering my own rules that I've set for myself. The same way, we just can't match each other at any point and we can't be same because their way of thinking will definitely be different than mine.

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I believe the intention behind this is good and truly, we can't deny that there are around 3 million users on this forum and we just can't put the complete burden on merit sources alone............
In fact, the forum doesn't have that many users. Many people register in the forum and then disappear.
There are 2.8 million registered users. But according to BPIP, there are only 95,000 active users. Since BPIP is considering users that have been logged-in at least one time in the past three months as active, the number of users who post regularly in the forum is much lower.
According to Loyce.club, there are 7000 users that have made at least one post in the past 7 days. I don't think more than half of these users have posted in non-bounty sections.

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