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June 25, 2020, 06:33:22 AM
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There are actual cases wherein a teenager is really involved in such a scheme, and it's great that VICE reiterates the possibilities of such an attack for people to know that this is where technology headed to. For the teens, most of them are egoistic lads boosted by testosterone and are careless enough to get caught. Most of them aren't really going to serve the full term of their sentence for 'good conduct' and might even see themselves landing up a decent job after their incarceration.

Doing 10 years for $2 000 000 might sound good to the average person, but what about inflation and also a possible collapse of the Bitcoin price. A lot can happen in 10 years.... heck we have seen a 80% drop in the price of Bitcoin in a matter of a few weeks.

I don't think they'd even be able to keep those money when they are caught. Maybe some of the stash if they are clever enough to split it but certainly not all. Also, you are underestimating the power of bitcoin's hype. We may have experienced steep declines from time to time but overall for the last decade we're still on the upsides.

Yes, these guys go out on Social media and they flaunt their new found wealth with videos of them drinking the most expensive Champaign and wearing the most expensive clothing and watches and other people see this and they report them, because they know these people and they also know they do not have high paying jobs or inheritance.  (jealousy also come into play)

In my country you do almost 50% of the original sentence on good behavior, so these guys will be out in 5 years. Seeing that this is not a violent crime, some businesses might employ them.. but they will not work in any position where finances are handled.

The law enforcement agencies can only confiscate whatever they seize, so if these guys have bitcoins stored somewhere away from their residence, then those bitcoins will not be confiscated. (These guys use mixer services and they store it on online sites and also paper wallets)  Tongue

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June 25, 2020, 04:53:52 PM
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The films do not discuss matters and complexities in detail, they know that it is difficult to track bitcoin so they add them to the movie or series in order to gain more sense for their story and make it more believable.

I expect that after many people know that it is possible to track bitcoin transactions, they will appear using Monero or any privacy coins for purchase of these equipment and devices.

if you have power to earn 200000 in bitcoin will have more ways to hide it.
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June 25, 2020, 10:53:53 PM
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Crime relating to sim swaps and data cloning are so common. I always wonder why states like sweden are not more susceptible. Microchips containing financial data embedded in peoples hands and bodies could be easier to swipe than data on a cellphone. Sweden has a very high prevalence of microchipped consumers. Which one might expect would make them a golden opportunity for those carrying out these types of thefts.

As for the actual SIM swaps I don't think bitcoin or crypto are relevent. The actual theft and purchases are carried out utilizing digital fiat. They only turn to crypto/btc for attempted long term storage. Other currencies could be better methods as they would leave less of a paper trail and be more difficult to trace than a bitcoin transaction.


Hey mate, can you please share documentary video link. I am interested to watch that documentary.


https://www.sho.com/video/70922/vice-series-premiere-tvma

Showtime appears to be airing the episode for free.

There shouldn't be any copyright issues associated with that link.
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June 26, 2020, 05:54:54 AM
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Crime relating to sim swaps and data cloning are so common. I always wonder why states like sweden are not more susceptible. Microchips containing financial data embedded in peoples hands and bodies could be easier to swipe than data on a cellphone. Sweden has a very high prevalence of microchipped consumers. Which one might expect would make them a golden opportunity for those carrying out these types of thefts.

As for the actual SIM swaps I don't think bitcoin or crypto are relevent. The actual theft and purchases are carried out utilizing digital fiat. They only turn to crypto/btc for attempted long term storage. Other currencies could be better methods as they would leave less of a paper trail and be more difficult to trace than a bitcoin transaction.


Hey mate, can you please share documentary video link. I am interested to watch that documentary.


https://www.sho.com/video/70922/vice-series-premiere-tvma

Showtime appears to be airing the episode for free.

There shouldn't be any copyright issues associated with that link.

The whole micro chip in the body thing is stupid in my opinion. You can put that microchip in your clothing or a necklace or a watch or any item that you have with you every day, why must this be within your body? (You can have several micro chips and have them hidden in different items)  Roll Eyes

In any way, the Sim swapping are done with the assistance of people working with your service provider. So no matter what you do, the human element will always sneak in. (The same goes for micro chips... who says a corrupt worker at the manufacturing facility, can not be forced to "clone" these chips for syndicates ?)

Sim swaps are relevant to Crypto currencies, because many people use them as 2FA to access their exchange accounts or their online wallets or even gambling sites.  Tongue

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June 26, 2020, 06:45:29 AM
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What the hell is Sim swapping and how can a kid/teenager make 2 million USD in a short amount of time?
Is it some sort of hacking/carding?
I googled "sim swapping" and it seems that this is some kind of social engineering scam,where the kids are trying to convince the call center support and freak the 2-factor authentication of some crypto trading account.Damn,those teenagers can be very manipulative.
Well,if they get caught,at least they will have enough money to pay for a good layer,I guess.
I don't think that they will HODL their cryptocurrenices for 10 years,while they are staying in prison.Seems like a stupid move.

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June 26, 2020, 11:04:34 AM
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In any way, the Sim swapping are done with the assistance of people working with your service provider. So no matter what you do, the human element will always sneak in.

This is just one of the ways to clone a SIM card, but it can also be done with physical contact where the victim's SIM card is imperceptibly removed and cloned without any great technical knowledge. Such people are usually very careless with their smartphones, and very often they publicly brag that they own crypto, and in addition they store it online. All this together is nothing but a call to thieves to rob them, and if the thieves were a little more intelligent police would probably never catch them.

Someone can say whatever they want about it, but I would call it a festival of human stupidity in action.

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