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adultbit
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June 24, 2020, 01:40:11 PM |
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Obvious scam. The team wasn't even on EUST website. All the newbies who posted to its ann thread is owned by the team to lift its thread up.
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layoutph
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July 09, 2020, 01:48:49 PM Last edit: July 09, 2020, 02:11:01 PM by layoutph |
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I am an ANN thread designer, see my portfolio: http://www.layout.ph I am being hired to create ANN thread by different ICO and crypto services. Why should I get a negative trust for this? If you think EURST plagiarized a whitepaper I am not responsible for it
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dkbit98
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July 09, 2020, 02:16:15 PM Last edit: July 09, 2020, 02:31:45 PM by dkbit98 |
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First of all @layoutph you should read forum rules and stop burstposting. Second, You are responsible for creating selfmoderated ANN topic and posting plagiarized whitepaper link. Think before you release something next time. It is nothing against you personally but against EURST and their WP. Archived: http://archive.vn/2qEti
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layoutph
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July 09, 2020, 02:33:18 PM |
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Sorry I am not burst posting, I am just really upset and expressing my self. I am just a designer of ANN. And I did not created the whitepaper nor their website. They hired me only to do their ANN thread design, i dont have any idea about the plagiarized whitepaper. First of all @layoutph you should read forum rules and stop burstposting. Second, You are responsible for creating selfmoderated topic and posting plagiarized whitepaper. Think before you release something next time. It is nothing against you personally but against EURST and their WP. Archived: http://archive.vn/2qEti
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dkbit98
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July 09, 2020, 02:39:40 PM |
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Sorry I am not burst posting, I am just really upset and expressing my self. I am just a designer of ANN. And I did not created the whitepaper nor their website. They hired me only to do their ANN thread design, i dont have any idea about the plagiarized whitepaper.
You are burstposting as you could post all that in a single post, and not divide it in 3 posts with few minute difference. I hope money they paid you was good, as you take some responsibility when you create original ANN topic for new projects. You can now only wait for OP and others to review this case, and watch what ANN topics you create in future.
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layoutph
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July 09, 2020, 02:47:10 PM |
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That would be the last ANN thread design I will allow my account to post in their behalf. Anyway I actually put a disclaimer I am not a part of their team and only posting in their behalf, you can verify this in webarchives. Please see the screenshot. Sorry I am not burst posting, I am just really upset and expressing my self. I am just a designer of ANN. And I did not created the whitepaper nor their website. They hired me only to do their ANN thread design, i dont have any idea about the plagiarized whitepaper.
You are burstposting as you could post all that in a single post, and not divide it in 3 posts with few minute difference. I hope money they paid you was good, as you take some responsibility when you create original ANN topic for new projects. You can now only wait for OP and others to review this case, and watch what ANN topics you create in future.
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dkbit98
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July 09, 2020, 02:54:17 PM |
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That would be the last ANN thread design I will allow my account to post in their behalf. Anyway I actually put a disclaimer I am not a part of their team and only posting in their behalf, you can verify this in webarchives. Please see the screenshot.
I am not blind and I saw this disclaimer. So you think that if you put your disclaimer than you can create any ICO scam ANN you want without any issue? Is that the way to promote anything for few bucks? I also saw this Reserved for future use!
So that means you plan to keep this EURST ANN topic open and alive in future.
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FatFork
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July 09, 2020, 03:06:58 PM |
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They hired me only to do their ANN thread design, i dont have any idea about the plagiarized whitepaper.
Now you know, don't you? What are you going to do about it? In criminal justice, aiding and abetting a crime is a crime in itself. If you aid and abet a crime you can face the same punishment as the person who committed it.
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layoutph
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July 09, 2020, 03:07:13 PM |
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Thats the only way I think I can protect my self. Just like what I said that would be the last I will require them next time to buy a copper membership account. Regarding scams, they said about 50% of ICO are scams. Even the signature we are wearing now. This might turn scams later on , or might be a good crypto services. I dont think its fair if you will get a negative trust from a bounty you supported that turns out to be a scam. That would be the last ANN thread design I will allow my account to post in their behalf. Anyway I actually put a disclaimer I am not a part of their team and only posting in their behalf, you can verify this in webarchives. Please see the screenshot.
I am not blind and I saw this disclaimer. So you think that if you put your disclaimer than you can create any ICO scam ANN you want without any issue? Is that the way to promote anything for few bucks?
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Rikafip (OP)
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July 09, 2020, 03:14:08 PM |
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I am an ANN thread designer, see my portfolio: http://www.layout.ph I am being hired to create ANN thread by different ICO and crypto services. Why should I get a negative trust for this? If you think EURST plagiarized a whitepaper I am not responsible for it Of course you are responsible for it. You didn't just design their ANN, you published it as well. You are promoting project that obviously plagiarized whitepaper. Whose responsibility should be? Instead realizing your mistake and locking topic immediately, you still go on about not being your responsibility whether project is a scam or not, and trying to protect your self with some disclaimer that doesn't protect you from anything. And that concerns me in this case, your inability to admit how wrong your reasoning is. By the way, why is that ANN still not locked?
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layoutph
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July 09, 2020, 03:22:57 PM |
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Okay I removed the thread if this is the action you want to see. I will just inform the employer who hired me from upwork. This is a big lesson to me, will also warn other Ann thread designer. I am an ANN thread designer, see my portfolio: http://www.layout.ph I am being hired to create ANN thread by different ICO and crypto services. Why should I get a negative trust for this? If you think EURST plagiarized a whitepaper I am not responsible for it Of course you are responsible for it. You are promoting project that obviously plagiarized whitepaper. Whose responsibility should be? Instead realizing your mistake and locking topic immediately, you still go on about not being your responsibility whether project is a scam or not, and trying to protect your self with some disclaimer that doesn't protect you from anything. And that concerns me in this case, your inability to admit how wrong your reasoning is. By the way, why is that ANN still not locked?
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dkbit98
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July 09, 2020, 03:26:09 PM |
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Okay I removed the thread if this is the action you want to see. I will just inform the employer who hired me from upwork. This is a big lesson to me, will also warn other Ann thread designer.
You also need to post all other bitcointalk members who are involved in this case with more proofs. wealthnook (and maybe others) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1250636
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layoutph
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July 09, 2020, 03:59:46 PM |
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As far as I know wealthnook is just their virtual assistant, I dont want to judge. Employer has no bitcointalk account. I think the responsible person for everything is the one who created the whitepaper. And I do not know if this is created by them or they hired someone to do the whitepaper writing. Okay I removed the thread if this is the action you want to see. I will just inform the employer who hired me from upwork. This is a big lesson to me, will also warn other Ann thread designer.
You also need to post all other bitcointalk members who are involved in this case with more proofs. wealthnook (and maybe others) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1250636
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dkbit98
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July 09, 2020, 04:05:55 PM |
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As far as I know wealthnook is just their virtual assistant, I dont want to judge. Employer has no bitcointalk account.
Virtual assistant?! I will not change my feedback for now, as there is no proofs for wealthnook and your claims that he should be contacted for any questions, and you want to protect your 'employer'
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layoutph
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July 09, 2020, 04:38:52 PM |
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I asked them for bitcointalk account I can put in the ANN incase of questions or inquiries. Wealthnook a personal account of their VA was given to me. I told you employer has no Bitcointalk account thats why I am posting in their behalf. As I said, this would be the last ANN i will render my account to post in their behalf. I know you guys will get 1000 merits for this, but think about the lives of freelancers of who will suffer from your negative trust. As far as I know wealthnook is just their virtual assistant, I dont want to judge. Employer has no bitcointalk account.
Virtual assistant?! I will not change my feedback for now, as there is no proofs for wealthnook and your claims that he should be contacted for any questions, and you want to protect your 'employer'
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FatFork
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July 09, 2020, 05:25:13 PM |
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I know you guys will get 1000 merits for this, but think about the lives of freelancers of who will suffer from your negative trust.
What exactly are you saying? That we shouldn't publicly expose scammers if we spot them? Don't be so selfish. Think about innocent people who will be lured into the scam by your actions.
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layoutph
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July 09, 2020, 11:31:28 PM Last edit: July 10, 2020, 01:47:58 AM by layoutph |
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I am not saying you allow scam in this forum, what i am saying is investigate further and dont just put a negative trust easily. I am not a part of their team and i dont even shill nor encourage everyone to buy it. I am not selfish but you dont listen on my side. Put your self in my situation, you make living as a designer. Someone ask you to make logos, sigs, ann. Then suddenly, one of your past client has a plagiarized whitepaper that you dont even created. You got a negative trust. You explain your self but no one believes in you. You make harm someone to justify your report in the reputation thread. I dont even know how to check plagiarized whitepaper.. Should i waste my time checking all whitepaper of my client everytime I do freelancing? I know you guys will get 1000 merits for this, but think about the lives of freelancers of who will suffer from your negative trust.
What exactly are you saying? That we shouldn't publicly expose scammers if we spot them? Don't be so selfish. Think about innocent people who will be lured into the scam by your actions.
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pilosopotasyo
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July 10, 2020, 02:57:42 AM Last edit: July 10, 2020, 06:04:29 AM by pilosopotasyo |
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Bountydetective is the bounty manager of KingCasino and yet people are not tagging him this is double standard in the case of Layout check this thread, no independent manager is perfect that is why they have a disclaimer for their service https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5259635.0His mistake is making a thread moderated which is a big no and not closing it when there is report on the project This is a lesson that if there is a report address the issue immediately.
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BACK FROM A LONG VACATION
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Rikafip (OP)
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July 10, 2020, 05:30:20 AM Last edit: July 10, 2020, 06:13:39 AM by Rikafip |
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You make harm someone to justify your report in the reputation thread. I dont even know how to check plagiarized whitepaper.. Should i waste my time checking all whitepaper of my client everytime I do freelancing?
Why do you think that checking whitepaper and other stuff like whether team is real or not is a waste of time? That way you are protecting yourself, and others. And yes, you should check whether something is legit before you start working with them, especially if you are going to put your name on their ANN thread. As you said, you are making living out of it, that's why you should be even more careful when promoting someone, in order not to ruin your reputation. This is a problem here, that you still don't realize your part of the responsibility here, and you are going even further by saying that checking whitepaper is a waste of time.
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