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July 21, 2020, 06:14:49 AM |
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Does that mean that their during their lockdown no one was going outside at all? Because I know for sure that there are lots of poor people there and such poor people can’t stay indoors for long when they don’t have meal on their table, nobody can do such thing.
It is not easy to stay indoors during a lockdown when you have nothing. Some of us might see it as an easy thing because we have the money and we have already stocked up our stores with food that will last us for months. I believe they were able to get this under control by strictly banning interstates travel or maybe they are the ones behind this and know how to handle it.
Chinese government locked everywhere no matter you have food or not, that is how they stop the spread and there is another conspiracy about 1 million users lost from network communication while they imposed locked down which means they died? This is still not sure what happened why were 1 million users were out from the network. Since the media does not have a free right to present the ground facts so it is unknown. But bringing back the economy slowly and starting everything even during this pandemic still exists with not many cases is really an appreciated. World needs to know how they were managed to control the cases so that others can follow. They are good, even though the communist of China are very strict, they manage to flatten the curve easily and they managed to end the outbreak easily. It is really unbelievable that they build a hospital for Coronavirus patient in just 10 days. Their regulation are also good and their citizen easily followed it and that is the reason why they are now corona virus free. Chinese people are civilized and responsible, that is why they managed to flatten the curve of their virus cases, and they are now starting to recover their economy. Even though the coronavirus was started in their country, most of their citizens managed to cooperate with their government with no problems.
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July 21, 2020, 07:12:44 AM |
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Chinese people are civilized and responsible, that is why they managed to flatten the curve of their virus cases, and they are now starting to recover their economy. Even though the coronavirus was started in their country, most of their citizens managed to cooperate with their government with no problems.
I have no doubt that the Chinese people are civilized and law abiding. But that is the case in other countries as well. So what made the difference here? The advantage with China is that it is an authoritarian country, with no room for personal liberty or human rights. So obviously when the government announced a complete lockdown, the people had no choice other than to comply with it. Those who refused to follow the order were arrested and quarantined. Now this is something that can't be implemented in democratic nations. In US, Australia.etc, you can find a lot of people who are roaming in the streets even in places where lockdown is announced. And in the US, people are protesting against the requirement to wear masks.
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July 21, 2020, 07:53:58 AM |
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Chinese people are civilized and responsible, that is why they managed to flatten the curve of their virus cases, and they are now starting to recover their economy. Even though the coronavirus was started in their country, most of their citizens managed to cooperate with their government with no problems.
I have no doubt that the Chinese people are civilized and law abiding. But that is the case in other countries as well. So what made the difference here? The advantage with China is that it is an authoritarian country, with no room for personal liberty or human rights. So obviously when the government announced a complete lockdown, the people had no choice other than to comply with it. Those who refused to follow the order were arrested and quarantined. Now this is something that can't be implemented in democratic nations. In US, Australia.etc, you can find a lot of people who are roaming in the streets even in places where lockdown is announced. And in the US, people are protesting against the requirement to wear masks. Philippines is where I live, and it's a democratic nation but the government can implement a martial law if necessary. I agree with you, it really comes to the discipline of the people, I thought china had the worst case as they were first in the race but they stopped and able to neutralized to the pandemic so I admire them. I am hoping that our cases will reduce, or neutralized, though we are still at below 100k cases, but it's spreading fast, maybe soon, the government will implement a martial law and I'm expecting that.
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July 21, 2020, 08:07:31 AM |
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Philippines is where I live, and it's a democratic nation but the government can implement a martial law if necessary. I agree with you, it really comes to the discipline of the people, I thought china had the worst case as they were first in the race but they stopped and able to neutralized to the pandemic so I admire them. I am hoping that our cases will reduce, or neutralized, though we are still at below 100k cases, but it's spreading fast, maybe soon, the government will implement a martial law and I'm expecting that. Some Chinese doctors went to our country last time, right? It's just not clear to me what they did here. I hope Ph gov't got some techniques and ways on how we can slow the spread of the virus like the Chinese did on their country. Well, discipline of citizens really has a huge factor to a country's situation right now. If they insist on going out even if it's unnecessary, or if they won't comply with the rules, then the number of positive cases will surely increase. From the news earlier, our country's number of positive cases is now over 68k but the active cases is around 43k. There's no decline in the curve that's happening. Instead, it is spiking upwards. I don't know if martial law is necessary right now. But I hope our fellow citizens will abide the protocols so that martial law won't be implemented.
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July 21, 2020, 08:55:10 AM |
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Philippines is where I live, and it's a democratic nation but the government can implement a martial law if necessary. I agree with you, it really comes to the discipline of the people, I thought china had the worst case as they were first in the race but they stopped and able to neutralized to the pandemic so I admire them. I am hoping that our cases will reduce, or neutralized, though we are still at below 100k cases, but it's spreading fast, maybe soon, the government will implement a martial law and I'm expecting that. Some Chinese doctors went to our country last time, right? It's just not clear to me what they did here. I hope Ph gov't got some techniques and ways on how we can slow the spread of the virus like the Chinese did on their country. Maybe they get something from them, China is our ally country so we can expect they'll help us in any way. Well, discipline of citizens really has a huge factor to a country's situation right now. If they insist on going out even if it's unnecessary, or if they won't comply with the rules, then the number of positive cases will surely increase.
From the news earlier, our country's number of positive cases is now over 68k but the active cases is around 43k. There's no decline in the curve that's happening. Instead, it is spiking upwards. I don't know if martial law is necessary right now. But I hope our fellow citizens will abide the protocols so that martial law won't be implemented.
That's the really the problem with our country, that's why we are not progressive like other countries but I believe if this rate will not stop and cause by the people not following a simple rules, the government might declare a martial. Our military forces needs to be visible in the streets so people will follow. https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1853088/Cebu/Local-News/Cebu-City-well-equipped-to-wage-war-v-coronavirus![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sunstar.com.ph%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2F2020%2F04%2F19%2F225126.jpg&t=665&c=DVBJwYEuljTUYQ)
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July 21, 2020, 09:27:31 AM |
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You see, a country that has focus beginning with the leadership, "the government" can make success easily achieved. What am I trying to say? When the majority of the citizens know that the government is responsible and positively active, they cooperate with them, has large as China's population is majority contributes to the progress of her economy because they have tangible things to show for it and are still supported from early stage. not all this selfish, corrupt, wicked and greedy government who does not care about the citizens and still sees pandemic as an opportunity to steal money, even the donated funds for the hungry.
That is actually on point, because the Chinese government might be bad to India with their border tensions and maybe they have sore relations with US but they are very loyal and honest with their own people and there is a good bond between people and the government which makes decision taking easy for them and easy to implement strategies like lockdown as everyone loves to obey what their government says. I feel a big reason why they survived the situation is also because they are economically very sound and since they were the first country that suffered they got extra time as compared to others and they already gone through the stages which other countries are now going through.
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July 21, 2020, 10:11:32 AM |
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I feel a big reason why they survived the situation is also because they are economically very sound and since they were the first country that suffered they got extra time as compared to others and they already gone through the stages which other countries are now going through.
In that case economies of the US and EU are in better shape. So they could have fared well. That didn't happened. What happened in China is that the government strictly imposed lockdown measures without any laxity. For example, the city of Wuhan (which is home to 11 million people) was under lockdown for almost 10 weeks. The citizens had no option other than to stay at home. On the other hand, in countries such as India the people didn't cooperated with the authorities. When the first lockdown (3 weeks) was announced, the people supported the authorities and stayed at home. But when the lockdown got extended, they refused to stay at home or to follow safety measures. And that was the reason why the situation in India worsened after doing well initially.
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July 21, 2020, 05:55:48 PM |
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I have no doubt that the Chinese people are civilized and law abiding. But that is the case in other countries as well. So what made the difference here?
Not really because you can see a lot of people protesting against the government on most things like for example the BLM movement, I am not saying it is right or wrong but you can see the tension among people against their leaders and they don't seem to agree with the decisions their leaders are taking and the people in power don't have the same faith of their people as people in china have in their leaders. obviously when the government announced a complete lockdown, the people had no choice other than to comply with it. Those who refused to follow the order were arrested and quarantined. Now this is something that can't be implemented in democratic nations.
I partially agree and that is the one reason why sometimes dictatorship can be better than democracy because people take their democratic rights too seriously and don't want to understand what the situation is and this is where a dictator can make and force a decision which in usual days might not be good but in situation like this is perfect.
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July 21, 2020, 09:02:08 PM |
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They are not handling stuff this well because they are somehow good or better than some other nations, they are handling it "very well" because they do not care about anyone else, they are simply just letting people die, starve, or basically be incredibly poor all around.
They have sweatshops where people work so much that they actually die from exhaustion, I am not even talking about you and me having a bad day type of stuff, I am talking about people working 18-20 hours per day to find some food in order to not starve. That is why it is incredibly important for other nations to realize this inhumane situation in the world and somehow manage to not have deals with them anymore, the more we work with them the stronger they get and the stronger they can the more they make their own people suffer while keeping the rich dictator and his surroundings happy.
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July 22, 2020, 03:59:43 AM |
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We all know that the root of this pandemic are those Chinese people who eats exotic food. The first case of Covid-19 was in Wuhan, China, the markets there are in a lockdown and closed after they try to sell horseshoe bat where the new strand of corona virus came from. We all know that China has a strong and rich economy due to their love for money. China's approach toward this virus is really precise and effective as they are minimizing the rate of transmission of this Covid-19. They are effectively slowing the number of cases and right now, they have only 415 active cases as of June 28, 2020, based on this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic. Maybe the factors that help them to have a stable economy are:1. Chinese people are really disciplined, they are not going outside but still can pay taxes. 2. They strictly following the rules and laws implemented by the government. 3. The government is prioritizing the health sector above all other sectors. 4. Properly allocating the budget for this pandemic. 5. We all know that China is the number 1, manufacturer of face masks, gloves, alcohol, and test kits. By that factors, these will help them handle this Covid-19 properly and as well as controlling their economy to prevent some downward movement. Being a communist and huge country is really a good advantage as they control how money regulates in their country. Man power toward production of goods are really strong as they have the largest population. Do you think each and every country can achieve this kind of approach to this pandemic? Can they recover faster from this struggle economically? This just shows how powerful really the economy of China is when it comes to situation like this because it can do support its people even at this time of pandemic. Even though they were the ground zero or the starting point of this situation, they still manages to discipline its people to follow the rules given by the government. It exhibits how coordination between the government and the people works to be able to conquer this situation we are all currently lying in. Other countries even not that big or not that rich can do the same thing on how China handles this pandemic because it all just needed to start from understanding and cooperation coming from the government on how it plans and execute platforms that will help its people to still stand at this time and of course the discipline that people must exhibit on following the rules and regulations needed to help the government manage things so that current crisis won't get worst. Probably China can truly recover that fast even after this struggle because of their rich economy and strict government they have. Imagine the case started from them but still they manage to lead it a way to stop and flatten the curve of the number of cases they have with the help of both parties (government and citizens).
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July 22, 2020, 04:19:52 AM |
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What is up with all these people praising Chinese Govt being strict and able to recover from the pandemic. Do you all realize what is the difference between a communist country and a democratic country?? The difference is not that the people are somehow less disciplined. The difference is in flow of information and free media. In your average democratic country, everything will be out in the open and ready to be video recorded and posted on Social media. You are free to do what you want with your life and have the dreams you want to have.
You are not some accounted for resource in the hierarchy of the politburo. Unlike the Chinese peasant to the Chinese businessman, your pecking order and things you can do or cannot do is not pre-decided. Surely, this has its advantages but it also has its disadvantages. Ask those generations of Chinese parents who had to nurture a single child and not have any of those family dreams that you are free to have. The CCP has total control over its people and has strategically opened themselves to the free market. The western economies in their naivete transferred their Know-how freely to the chinese. In cases where they didn't, the Chinese stole it by employing cyber-warfare on unsuspecting targets. The strength of economy and complete sub-ordination of its people helped them to curb the virus but not without casualties. The Chinese media is silent on casualties and there is no way for anybody to get the real information out. The ultra-nationalism has been flamed at the same time so that people can be distracted from their human losses.
Democracies are not perfect but CCP is no role model either. It is amazing to see how all these people frequenting Satoshi's forum are quick to fall to their knees praying to some communist overlord to swoop down and save them. Disgusting is what you all are. These communists have wiped out cultures like Tibetans and Uighurs to make them "better-suited" to CCP. If that means, inhuman conditions or Human Right Violence, so be it. Without a free media, people don't even know what transpires as generations of chinese spend lives in servitude and following a path pre-written as per their role in society. That is not what humans are meant to do. This is not to say that the Chinese achievements are not exemplary. Yet, comparing that to your own democracies because of a pandemic, shows your own failure to truly understand what it would have been like to have your children turn into mush under tank-treads, just because they dared to protest.
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July 22, 2020, 06:35:04 AM |
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obviously when the government announced a complete lockdown, the people had no choice other than to comply with it. Those who refused to follow the order were arrested and quarantined. Now this is something that can't be implemented in democratic nations.
I partially agree and that is the one reason why sometimes dictatorship can be better than democracy because people take their democratic rights too seriously and don't want to understand what the situation is and this is where a dictator can make and force a decision which in usual days might not be good but in situation like this is perfect. This issue may not exist in an ideal democracy. But today, democracy has deviated from the core principles. The main aim of democracy was to give equal rights to everyone. What happens in democracy today is that groups which have the numerical superiority and bargaining power can dominate the governments and thereby the policy decisions. These blocs force the political parties to accede to their unfair demands. This in turn negatively impacts the minority groups, who don't have the same level of bargaining power. The biggest disadvantage with democracy is that if a particular group increases its population, then it will get more power. The groups which are having stable populations will witness a declining hold on the governments. I can give numerous examples, such as the Balkans, Lebanon and Malaysia. In a dictatorship, this situation is avoided. In China, the Han ethnic group is having a very low population growth, and yet they haven't witnessed a decline in their bargaining power. Some of the minorities such as Uighurs and Kazakhs are increasing in number. But since there is no democracy in China, these people are unable to convert their increasing population to an increase in bargaining power.
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July 23, 2020, 07:28:03 PM |
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This just shows how China can fastly respond to the need of its people since it have its very rich economy and resources to easily came up into plans on how the citizens will be properly disciplined to follow certain rules and regulations of their government to act and have a solution with regards to the case of covid-19 pandemic infection in their country. It's not already a surprise that China can manage to do such an incredible thing because of the strict government they have and people are really cooperative to follow since it is really the response that must be done amid with the existence of the pandemic.
China have certainly and properly manage its people very well which exhibits how the government and citizens will do an efficient task fast specially when they are coordinating with each other. Other countries can do also such thing if people and government would only allow coordination to take place. But as what I can see the problem is that there are lots of complaints coming from both parties like what is currently happening on the country where I reside plus the people are hard headed not following certain instructions which leads for the number of cases to still continue to rise. Any country can also do the same thing that China did when it comes to discipline to at least ease the number of infection. What becomes the main edge of China is having their rich economy and resources to do a fast response on the said matter despite of the fact that the cases started from their country.
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First of all we know that China is emerging superpower, China makes all the product from needle to planes and all.
People from China is very disciplined they respect the orders implemented by the government people from China believe whatever government implement they implement for the betterment of people. They have taken collective actions, they worked together, they implemented SOPs/followed them with full responsibility. The measures were stricter in China making impossible to jump to other people and many other things.
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What is up with all these people praising Chinese Govt being strict and able to recover from the pandemic. Do you all realize what is the difference between a communist country and a democratic country?? The difference is not that the people are somehow less disciplined. The difference is in flow of information and free media. In your average democratic country, everything will be out in the open and ready to be video recorded and posted on Social media. You are free to do what you want with your life and have the dreams you want to have.
You are not some accounted for resource in the hierarchy of the politburo. Unlike the Chinese peasant to the Chinese businessman, your pecking order and things you can do or cannot do is not pre-decided. Surely, this has its advantages but it also has its disadvantages. Ask those generations of Chinese parents who had to nurture a single child and not have any of those family dreams that you are free to have. The CCP has total control over its people and has strategically opened themselves to the free market. The western economies in their naivete transferred their Know-how freely to the chinese. In cases where they didn't, the Chinese stole it by employing cyber-warfare on unsuspecting targets. The strength of economy and complete sub-ordination of its people helped them to curb the virus but not without casualties. The Chinese media is silent on casualties and there is no way for anybody to get the real information out. The ultra-nationalism has been flamed at the same time so that people can be distracted from their human losses.
Democracies are not perfect but CCP is no role model either. It is amazing to see how all these people frequenting Satoshi's forum are quick to fall to their knees praying to some communist overlord to swoop down and save them. Disgusting is what you all are. These communists have wiped out cultures like Tibetans and Uighurs to make them "better-suited" to CCP. If that means, inhuman conditions or Human Right Violence, so be it. Without a free media, people don't even know what transpires as generations of chinese spend lives in servitude and following a path pre-written as per their role in society. That is not what humans are meant to do. This is not to say that the Chinese achievements are not exemplary. Yet, comparing that to your own democracies because of a pandemic, shows your own failure to truly understand what it would have been like to have your children turn into mush under tank-treads, just because they dared to protest.
China is closer to capitalist socialists than communists. Leadership style is one of the characteristics possessed by a leader. Basically, a leader's leadership style must be adapted to the situation and people's obedience depends on the behavior of the leader. In an autocratic leadership style, it will certainly produce results which is good if the leader who holds full power and takes a punitive approach to the violators of his policy, does so wisely for the progress of the country not because of personal interests. So that it will create more discipline good and even tighter competition. Thus the performance of the community is increasing. China is synonymous with propaganda. Xi has absolute authority, makes all decisions and policies, communication is one-way, supervision of the community takes place strictly. Repressive measures are chosen to ensure economic and political stability in the country. And in fact, the majority of the people do not think that Xi is an authoritarian leader. Jack Ma's entry into the Chinese communist party is also a belief and appreciation of the reforms undertaken by Xi to reduce corruption and create good governance.
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July 24, 2020, 10:32:46 AM |
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We all know that the root of this pandemic are those Chinese people who eats exotic food. The first case of Covid-19 was in Wuhan, China, the markets there are in a lockdown and closed after they try to sell horseshoe bat where the new strand of corona virus came from. We all know that China has a strong and rich economy due to their love for money. China's approach toward this virus is really precise and effective as they are minimizing the rate of transmission of this Covid-19. They are effectively slowing the number of cases and right now, they have only 415 active cases as of June 28, 2020, based on this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic. Maybe the factors that help them to have a stable economy are:1. Chinese people are really disciplined, they are not going outside but still can pay taxes. 2. They strictly following the rules and laws implemented by the government. 3. The government is prioritizing the health sector above all other sectors. 4. Properly allocating the budget for this pandemic. 5. We all know that China is the number 1, manufacturer of face masks, gloves, alcohol, and test kits. By that factors, these will help them handle this Covid-19 properly and as well as controlling their economy to prevent some downward movement. Being a communist and huge country is really a good advantage as they control how money regulates in their country. Man power toward production of goods are really strong as they have the largest population. Do you think each and every country can achieve this kind of approach to this pandemic? Can they recover faster from this struggle economically? the country of China is indeed very great in any case China has all kinds of elements. I am also very impressed with the discipline of Chinese citizens. Although they are a very strong legal communist country, it is possible in terms of the key of Chinese citizens to comply with the discipline of the government. China is a country that is very consistent. I was very surprised by the Chinese government that can regulate the public with discipline ... they deserve to be called a developed and modern country
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July 24, 2020, 04:03:24 PM |
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It is not already a surprise that China have been able to make a quick response on the issue of the covid-19 pandemic because we all know they have all that they need when it comes to resources and equipments needed to act fast to resolve the problem. Added by the fact that they have a very strict government that is managing the issue and making its people fully discipline to follow the rules and the plan they make to control the situation.
With both rich economy and strict governance plus the disciplined citizens, China have been able to come up into doing necessary actions to fight back against the covid-19 pandemic despite of the fact that their country is the starting point of this virus. China have just clearly shown how they make use of their rich economy and power from the leaders of their country to make control with the situation that many countries are still struggling to do.
I guess other countries can also do the same thing that China have done when it comes to management of the problem. What is just lacking for most of the country specially those who belong to the third world is the economic capacity they have to respond quickly on the needs of the people. I guess it is the main advantage that China have so they have successfully handle the situation with the virus. But still if the government and people will just coordinate with one another to come up into a better solution which will neglect complaints from both parties, we can still be able to manage dealing with this infectious disease.
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July 24, 2020, 04:54:52 PM |
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It is not already a surprise that China have been able to make a quick response on the issue of the covid-19 pandemic because we all know they have all that they need when it comes to resources and equipments needed to act fast to resolve the problem. Added by the fact that they have a very strict government that is managing the issue and making its people fully discipline to follow the rules and the plan they make to control the situation.
With both rich economy and strict governance plus the disciplined citizens, China have been able to come up into doing necessary actions to fight back against the covid-19 pandemic despite of the fact that their country is the starting point of this virus. China have just clearly shown how they make use of their rich economy and power from the leaders of their country to make control with the situation that many countries are still struggling to do.
I guess other countries can also do the same thing that China have done when it comes to management of the problem. What is just lacking for most of the country specially those who belong to the third world is the economic capacity they have to respond quickly on the needs of the people. I guess it is the main advantage that China have so they have successfully handle the situation with the virus. But still if the government and people will just coordinate with one another to come up into a better solution which will neglect complaints from both parties, we can still be able to manage dealing with this infectious disease.
it seems very difficult to imitate the style of Chinese government that is full of discipline. yes indeed the country of China is no doubt in any case such as business, the Chinese economy, it is worth giving a good value almost mastered the field. Chinese society is also very compact in terms of instructions instructed by the government. such as the current pandemic.
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September 05, 2020, 12:06:33 PM |
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through this question China getting a lot of profits, beacuse they recover covid-19 firstly, and they start to sale the things relate to covid-19. from this they will more strong economy, but rest of all other countries will suffer a lot
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September 05, 2020, 02:14:41 PM |
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First thing first, this is not a time to play blame game. I agree, virus origin was from China but still all countries should be mentally prepared as this kind of Pandemic not come for First time. History repeated itself and truth is that no one focused on that. And yes I agree, China came out of this situation so fast because people there are disciplined and everyone can do the same.
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