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August 27, 2018, 02:08:36 PM
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Yes I agree.
But we need dev?
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August 27, 2018, 02:09:24 PM
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Hello, everyone.
Very nice project. Wish good luck to your ICO, folks! If you are interested in Russian translation, please, write to me in PM. Thank you so much and have a nice day! Wink
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September 05, 2018, 06:08:51 AM
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DEEPCoin (DCN) is a visual proof of the coin, a unique coin to use and positioning themselves with a solution. This increases energy efficiency is not easy to be miners. In my opinion, this is the most effective improvements that I ever knew. The project will undoubtedly successful
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September 05, 2018, 07:47:33 PM
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Yes I agree.
But we need dev?
There never has been "a dev" engaged in the project as such, at least not in the usual type of "resident dev/team" model that most altcoins follow. It might help if you think of deepcoinbiz as the equivalent of a movie producer - organises funding, logistsics and ad hoc commissions of specialists to perform specialised tasks as and when needed.

As far as I can make out, deepcoinbiz commissioned Peter Bushnell (https://github.com/Bushstar) to create the clone (https://github.com/Deepcoinbiz/Deepcoin/commit/66ef7fefe8da3cbebf0e7e48486877b2e45c5773) and do further development work, including implementing a change in algo (https://github.com/Deepcoinbiz/Deepcoin/commit/0b8c28067c210e5c54bb48b264f70c8739fc7d9e) and and subsequent revisions (https://github.com/Deepcoinbiz/Deepcoin/commit/1a926a7e7c41cfc01f60d3a3c7791c7316effe11). There's also a nearly-complete "stealth addresses" branch (https://github.com/Deepcoinbiz/Deepcoin/commits/new-sx-0.8.7).

I don't find it profitable to speculate about this past phase of development, I'm interested only in its impact on the here and now. I believe Peter is open to commissions but that doesn't offer a resolution to the question "we need dev?" That answer to that question lies in uncovering the group's collective understanding of the role fulfilled by "the dev".

I'm afraid that I'm prone to asking "difficult" questions such as "Exactly how much dicking about with the Bitcoin codebase do you think is actually needed to support your clone?" Okay, Dash's masternode system is complex enough to require a resident dev/team but it's a far less compelling argument when the clone is almost identical except for the algo and the emissions/reward schedule.

Hence: https://github.com/gjhiggins/deepcoincore, a work-in-progress of transplanting the Deepcoin-specific elements into a Core 0.16 codebase. The rebranding is trivial, the actual first step in the process of discovering the reality behind "well, just how hard can it be?" is to replicate the genesis block and then read the blockchain. I'm halfway at the moment. The genesis block is correctly replicated and the Core 0.16 client reads the blockchain up to the hard fork at 76800. Then there's a sequence of 10 blocks for which the difficulty is calculated differently in order to prime the backwards-looking NiteGravityWell difficulty modifier. And that's not happening, which is what I am currently investigating.

So, if you fancy a play, check out the sources - careful to git checkout deepcoin and compile it up. To generate yourself a readable bootstrap.dat of blocks 0-76800, apply the following changes to the current client's contrib/linearize/example-linearize.cfg to get yourself a linearize.cfg to use.
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--- contrib/linearize/example-linearize.cfg	2018-09-03 14:44:38.565498248 +0100
+++ contrib/linearize/linearize.cfg 2018-09-05 19:03:34.731773981 +0100
@@ -1,12 +1,12 @@
 
 # bitcoind RPC settings
-rpcuser=someuser
-rpcpassword=somepassword
+rpcuser=deepcoinrpcuser
+rpcpassword=deepcoinrpcuserpassword
 host=127.0.0.1
-port=8332
+port=22872
 
 # bootstrap.dat settings
-netmagic=f9beb4d9
-max_height=279000
+netmagic=aebfc0d1
+max_height=76850
 output=bootstrap.dat

Then run ./linearize.py linearize.cfg, copy the resulting bootstrap.dat to the datadir of your choice and fire up the client. Wait while it reads the bootstrap then clean out the datadir and try it again with a bootstrap.dat of 0-76801. Check the debug log for the rejected, out-of-order block. That's where I'm at.

I'll post notes on further progress as and when I manage to make any, assuming no-one else figures it out in the interim.

As far as I'm concerned, the answer to "Exactly how much dicking about with the Bitcoin codebase do you think is actually needed to support your clone?" is ... "As little as possible."

I'll throw this is in, in case I haven't mentioned it before: A different perspective on cryptocurrency, with the challenge - if I do manage to upgrade Deepcoin to Core 0.16 - what comes after that?

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September 05, 2018, 07:54:19 PM
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Hey,  I sold all my BTCs, someone showed me how to invest in this ICO, a super profitable coin, and we would be rich. We have no any other way!
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September 21, 2018, 01:07:01 AM
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Hi Graham. I read your article about organisational structures and social groups.  It was interesting.  I can't call my passage a brisk canter, more of a wandering trot.  

One method of growing a small organisation is to innovate.  AKA meritocracy.

Another method is to somehow tether (excuse the unintended pun) it to a larger organisation, e.g. symbiotic, or parasitic.

I like the concept that the ideal crypto project is a highly functional collective intelligence.

I'm interested in your work and the conversation.

I'll post notes on further progress as and when I manage to make any, assuming no-one else figures it out in the interim.

As far as I'm concerned, the answer to "Exactly how much dicking about with the Bitcoin codebase do you think is actually needed to support your clone?" is ... "As little as possible."

I'll throw this is in, in case I haven't mentioned it before: A different perspective on cryptocurrency, with the challenge - if I do manage to upgrade Deepcoin to Core 0.16 - what comes after that?

Cheers

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September 21, 2018, 11:42:24 AM
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I'm interested in your work and the conversation.
That's encouraging - and not just from a personal perspective but objectively. With apologies for brown-bagging, I'll include a previous post I made today on the Clams thread (hopefully save you a couple of clicks) ...

Is there an alternative way to attract investors beyond the technical aspects? I would like someone to answer this question and discuss the issue.
Not on current evidence, no.

The "technical aspects" are the only aspects of an altcoin clone that are objectively (or near offer) available to investors for informing their assessessment of the potential ROI.

However, to use the term "investment" in the context of swapping tokens of a clone of Bitcoin for bankable fiat is stretching the semantics of the term well beyond its breaking point. If the reality of the context were to be honestly acknowledged, then a far more accurately descriptive term would be "speculation".

(for Google translate: use your common sense, it's not "investment" but "speculation")

There is no point in trying to discuss psychological matters (such as "appeal") on bitcointalk but I have rounded up some of my observations in a single post a different perspective on cryptocurrency.

For background, I'm a cognitive scientist currently engaged in investigating the informational requirements of the typical tasks performed by an online collective intelligence and, for me, the technical aspects are more pertinently addressed elsewhere, including for example the psychology of money and the empirical work (open access) done by Kathleen Vohs and collaborators, for one:

"No Match for Money: Even in Intimate Relationships and Collectivistic Cultures, Reminders of Money Weaken Sociomoral Responses,"
"Money Cues Increase Agency and Decrease Prosociality Among Children: Early Signs of Market-Mode Behaviors,"
"Money Priming Can Change People’s Thoughts, Feelings, Motivations, and Behaviors: An Update on 10 Years of Experiments," <- that's a decade

and Elinor Ostrom for another.

(Coincidentally, this reference The Future of Management Is Teal turned up on HackerNews a few days ago, if you're interested in Teal in a broader context).

You might consider the general orientation inferrable from my declared interests as forming the material on which to base the preface of a treatise that I'm not going to actually write down (just have fully articulated in my mental model) which could plausibly be titled: "Understanding the why of Dogecoin's continued success."

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September 21, 2018, 01:27:43 PM
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Another method is to somehow tether (excuse the unintended pun) it to a larger organisation, e.g. symbiotic, or parasitic.
Don't need either. One other insight I can bring: people don't scale, they form clumps. There's plenty of compositional material (people online) and so there's more than one collective intelligence around, (even if it's only oddballs like me that categorise them as such). So they form groups of collective intelligences with shared meta-collective models.Sound a bit esoteric? Not at all, here's an example: "What do Deepcoiners think about the Shibes?" Same thing, just without the meta-level jargon. But it's at the meta-level where the insights start to pay off. Ascend a level of abstraction or two and you get to view an "altcoin community" as yet another fancy label for "online special interest group" and suddenly, theres a whole raft of practical advice gained from long experience, a hefty corpus of empirical work on the topic and an entertaining set of fanciful theories about the interrelationship between the individual and the group with a catalytic dose of awkard questions surrounding identity and its construction in the modern "post-truth" abstraction that we call "the world". And, the killer is ... YMMV.

I'm brown-bagging again with even more earnest pleas for forgiveness if you don't find the first section relevant to Deepcoin (although that may not be entirely my fault).


looks like this baby has forked lately, at least once,
cryptoid on one branch, prohashing on another
?? Where are you seeing that? Do you have a pointer - and are you sure you have the right altcoin?

The original VCoin release and immediate abandonment: https://github.com/vcoindev/vcoin

The rescue (courtesy of @chrisvl) is here: https://github.com/vcoin-project/vcoin

Some time ago I reconnected the VCoin clone back to its Zetacoin cloneparent, recovering the entire Zetacoin and (importantly) Bitcoin commit history: https://github.com/vcoin-project/vcoin0.8zeta-dev and used that to leverage some extensive merging from Bitcoin, to bring the coin up through the various successive versions. Anyone still using the client atm is likely to to be using the interim Core 0.9 version but in the relative quietude of this unimportant spiral arm of the altcoin galaxy, I've working on the Core 0.16 version, taking a radically different approach.

One problematic issue is that as a name, "VCoin" was a complete non-starter in the first place. Rumour has it that the OP was JP and must have failed to do basic desk research on the name because a SE Asian company called VCoin were already operating in the fintech/cryptocurrency space - which is probably why the coin was so quickly abandoned. VCoin remains a non-starter as a name because the namespace is so crowded (e.g. https://app.vcoinexchange.com/).

Contempating this issue, I noted that the prevalence of the naming scheme (*)coin was becoming a fairly reliable defining characteristic of vapid "meetoo" clones (incl. VCoin, tbh). I also noted the fact that over 4000 altcoins had been launched and as far as I could see, none had much of a distinctive collective "persona", let alone one with a persona solidly grounded in the online SIG that animates the blockchain. As far as I could make out, it's wall-to-wall pretend SV startups, complete with scale model CTO/dev or a pretend C-Suite "core team" (or other such absurd imports from tightly-centralised organisational models) and scale model ambitions to match.

As VCoin remained just one more "meeeetoooo" altcoin extra in a cast of thousands, then its undisturbed trajectory has been an eminently predictable high-value-start-followed-by-gradual-decline-into-obscurity hockey stick typical of the vast majority of alts - such Ziftrcoin https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ziftrcoin/ and Quotient https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/quotient/ - to pick out two examples at random. although the latter is currently in Yobit zombiecoin mode by which I mean that, according to the takeover ANN, its continued existence is apparently justified solely by the fact it can be traded on Yobit: “We have Officially taken over XQN, it can be traded on Yobit.” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1766310.0)

Yes, VCoin is listed on Yobit https://yobit.net/en/trade/VCOIN/BTC so in the context of the trading of electronic tokens, it too is a Yobit zombiecoin, the coininfo section references the original abandoned GH repos and yes, coinmarketcap lists it as "inactive" - probably correctly according to their limited criteria.

I'm very comfortable with this situation. VCoin as a name is unviable for an alt and Yobit is widely reputed to be unresponsive (but I haven't checked), so that's their problem if they miss the upcoming hard fork.

So, if not "VCoin" then what?

I'm a pragmatist and decided to just drop the problematic bit: "Coin" ... welcome to V.

Admittedly, the down side could be argued that online search will be an absolute bitch but on the up side: it confers immunity from index engine bullying, eliminates domain name squabbles and renders imposter domains pointless.

Right now, no peer-to-peer networked cryptocurrency can be a legally-recognised entity, i.e. it is constitutionally unable to own IP. In consequence, it would be futile to choose a name that could have IP value because as far as IP is concerned, decentralised communities are defenceless against even casual appropriation of IP by a legally-recognised entity. Contrariwise, V is easy to remember, works across cultures and occupies a namespace that is legislatively forbidden to all effective legally-recognised entities.

Without going into reams of tedious detail, the rest of V's approach is similarly iconoclastic. V recognises the social profundity of TANSTAFFL, borrows heavily from E. E. van Vogt's auctorial evocation of Nexialism, leans hard in the direction of Harry Harrison's wirr and, as a peer-to-peer networked cryptocurrency, is a pure Teal organisation, free of the crippling centralising distortions introduced into Holacracy, for example. V is an instance of Wooley's c, the collective version of Spearman's g (c.f. “Evidence for a Collective Intelligence Factor in the Performance of Human Groups” http://science.sciencemag.org/content/330/6004/686) and one of the current reseach topics is the elicitation of user task requirements where the user is an empowered collective intelligence.

For a flavour of the group ethos, see A different perspective on cryptocurrency. BTW, that is a temporary home, pending the construction and inscription of a TrustyURI (spec: https://github.com/trustyuri/trustyuri-spec, Python implementation using RDFLib: https://github.com/trustyuri/trustyuri-python) on the V blockchain.

I apologise to those in the loop who have been patiently waiting for some actual progress. The preparatory work is very nearly complete (see branches various in https://github.com/gjhiggins/vcoincore) and, after an overly-long period of auto-didactisim, I am now more confident that the groundwork is sufficiently comprehensive and detailed to enable V to follow a very different trajectory.

tl;dr no lucrative "investment" opportunities, no lucrative centralised mining consortia because the emission schedule is complete and block reward is 1 now VCN (algo is bog-standard Bitcoin SHA2-256D). In essence, there's nothing to interest the usual altcoiner here - and we sort of keep it that way by design because different requirements apply in order to be free of the distorting influence of such agencies during the establishment of a strongly pro-social group identity, a necessary but not sufficient condition for the development of more powerful expressions of c ... (Hint: “Finally, c was significantly correlated with the proportion of females in the group, with groups having more females being more collectively intelligent.”)

I haven't yet solved the problem of getting the updated Core 0.16 Deepcoin client to successfully neogtiate the algo changeover and re-set the difficulty modifier but it's "just" a matter of me improving my understanding of the problem. atm, I'm forced to conclude that I'm holding it wrong.

Cheers

Graham
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October 25, 2018, 12:25:41 AM
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Hi Graham,

Glad you took an interest in this project...........it would be good to have a restart here.   

I think upgrading the private key encryption algo would be required also.  Probably easily done with enough of the right couple people to upgrade the Bitcoin code.


It is slightly dazed and confused reading (not reading anymore) projects hacked together to make vast sums I assume quickly before they cut and run the pyramid scheme and on down the line till joe smoe holds the bag at the exchange.

They have whore'd "anon" coin without much work.  Dash has had tremendous support but the buffed off their load at the start without restarting the Blockchain?  Was it a couple Million Dash in a couple days (can't honestly remember)

Nexus Sha3 at least updated the Private keys if you want to check their for some easy reference work on their code.  ( I however do not write code)


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October 25, 2018, 03:42:14 AM
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Do you know, what are prerequisites for compiling or running downloaded wallet on linux? For example on Lubuntu 14.04
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October 31, 2018, 10:26:55 AM
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where can trade?
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September 26, 2019, 12:37:17 PM
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Where can trade?  Right here!  How many would you like to buy?  Grin  Grin

Beware, demand is high!
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January 18, 2020, 12:42:01 PM
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Who wants to try, CPU mining is possible.
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April 22, 2020, 03:14:12 AM
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Who wants to try, CPU mining is possible.
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   Syncing  Smiley
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June 28, 2020, 11:37:31 PM
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This is a calculated risk by the authors. 

Creating a higher level encryption hash 512 bits instead of the 256 bits commonly offered. 

Rigging the mast for early top heavy for insiders to cash out.  Bad distribution.



Instead of work dictating the value and distribution, it left no incentive to develop the real advancement of Blockchain Cryptography!




However I can't remember if this project had a 512 bit private key.  Or if only the hash was 512 bits.  But I think the private key was only 256 bits. 





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