NATO officials say they were briefed on Russian bounties on US soldiers.

[gmjutt6]

I was watching Morning Joe today and a retired US General (General Barry R McCaffrey) was invited on the show. The retired General more or less said that the chance that Trump wasn't briefed on the Russia bounties was probably zero. The retired General insinuated that Trump had to have been briefed on it, especially if the allies of the US were briefed on it.

Assuming Trump was briefed on it, then his decision to try to invite Putin/Russia back to the G7 is nothing short of treason. Trump is truly a puppet of Putin.

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[Spendulus]

I was watching Morning Joe today and a retired US General (General Barry R McCaffrey) was invited on the show. The retired General more or less said that the chance that Trump wasn't briefed on the Russia bounties was probably zero. The retired General insinuated that Trump had to have been briefed on it, especially if the allies of the US were briefed on it.

Assuming Trump was briefed on it, then his decision to try to invite Putin/Russia back to the G7 is nothing short of treason. Trump is truly a puppet of Putin.

A new sock puppet!

[TECSHARE]

I was watching Morning Joe today and a retired US General (General Barry R McCaffrey) was invited on the show. The retired General more or less said that the chance that Trump wasn't briefed on the Russia bounties was probably zero. The retired General insinuated that Trump had to have been briefed on it, especially if the allies of the US were briefed on it.

Assuming Trump was briefed on it, then his decision to try to invite Putin/Russia back to the G7 is nothing short of treason. Trump is truly a puppet of Putin.

"Barry Richard McCaffrey (born November 17, 1942) is a former United States Army officer and current news commentator, professor and business consultant who served on U.S. President Bill Clinton's Cabinet as the Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy...
 
In March 2018 he claimed that United States president Donald Trump was under the sway of Russian President Vladimir Putin and that this was a dangerous threat for the security of the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_McCaffrey

What are the chances that the information itself from a NATO coming under increasing pressure to fund itself from Trump is bullshit?

[coins4commies]

I need to see some evidence otherwise I'm going to assume this is more bullshit to drum up animosity against Russia.  The story itself sounds like something straight from a middle american's nightmare.  What would Russia gain by killing some US troops in Afghanistan? It plays into the fear that foreign boogeyman is out there orgasmic at the thought of being able to kill random Americans.   Afghanistan is already a quagmire.  Russia doesn't need to make it one.

[Spendulus]

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"Barry Richard McCaffrey (born November 17, 1942) is a former United States Army officer and current news commentator, professor and business consultant who served on U.S. President Bill Clinton's Cabinet as the Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy.......

So he put a lot of blacks into jail? Don't black lives matter?

This strikes me as a trial run for the total, baseless lies and smears the democrats will float in the several weeks prior to the close of the election of 2020. Because that's what they always do.

This time we can expect it to be far worse than previous.

[TECSHARE]

"NSA Differed From CIA, Others on Russia Bounty Intelligence"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nsa-differed-from-cia-others-on-russia-bounty-intelligence-11593534220

[madnessteat]

~snip~

Haha. How naive you are. No media can be trusted at this time.

Have you been shown the true evidence that Russia sponsored Afghan militants to kill American soldiers? Maybe it was deliberately set up by opponents of Trump?

[Viper1]

~snip~

Haha. How naive you are. No media can be trusted at this time.

Have you been shown the true evidence that Russia sponsored Afghan militants to kill American soldiers? Maybe it was deliberately set up by opponents of Trump?

Why the hell does it matter. I have little doubt it occurred but as far as I'm concerned it's no different than what the US did back when they funded Bin Laden etc to fight Russia. They probably even did some round about bounty paying as well. It's what those in power do. Each side doing dirty shit in the name of their higher morality. They're playing Risk and we're all expendable.

[madnessteat]

Why the hell does it matter. I have little doubt it occurred but as far as I'm concerned it's no different than what the US did back when they funded Bin Laden etc to fight Russia. They probably even did some round about bounty paying as well. It's what those in power do. Each side doing dirty shit in the name of their higher morality. They're playing Risk and we're all expendable.

That's right. As long as we unreservedly trust the media and corrupt politicians, peaceful people will suffer. And we ourselves do not ask them to provide irrefutable proof of what they are saying. Maybe this is why the media write whatever they want without any control and are not responsible?

[squatz1]

I can see the arguing in this thread about things, though I think it's very important to note that the only way we're going to figure out information is if Congressional oversight steps in and calls people in to speak. They need to request all of the info from the executive and subpoena as many people as possible to see if there is any merit.

There's nothing we're going to figure out by just infighting in the media and online regarding this. No one knows what is the truth and we're all just slinging mud about this.

We're going to have to sit around and wait for new info, that's all we can do.

[Juggy777]

I can see the arguing in this thread about things, though I think it's very important to note that the only way we're going to figure out information is if Congressional oversight steps in and calls people in to speak. They need to request all of the info from the executive and subpoena as many people as possible to see if there is any merit.

There's nothing we're going to figure out by just infighting in the media and online regarding this. No one knows what is the truth and we're all just slinging mud about this.

We're going to have to sit around and wait for new info, that's all we can do.

@squatz1 once again the opposition is manipulating US citizens into believing that Trump has connections with Russia, and this is absolute nonsense because they’re trying to divert the attention of people from the fact that Trump has successfully pulled back troops from Afghanistan. Further I’m expecting more such hoax statements to surface in the election year against Trump, as the Democrats are suddenly fearing for their victory, because an improved US economy will guarantee Trump an easy victory in the upcoming elections.


Sources:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/politics/trump-afghanistan-russia-bounty.html

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/07/02/what-does-the-june-jobs-report-tell-us-about-the-state-of-the-u-s-economy/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/handling-the-economy-is-trumps-last-remaining-bright-spot

[Spendulus]

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We're going to have to sit around and wait for new info, that's all we can do.

@squatz1 once again the opposition is manipulating US citizens into believing that Trump has connections with Russia, and this is absolute nonsense because they’re trying to divert the attention of people from the fact that Trump has successfully pulled back troops from Afghanistan. Further I’m expecting more such hoax statements to surface in the election year against Trump, as the Democrats are suddenly fearing for their victory, because an improved US economy will guarantee Trump an easy victory in the upcoming elections. ...

They'll likely have a new fabrication every week going forward.

The game will be a new unsubstantiated charge before the last one has even settled.

Some will solemnly repeat every one of these lies.

[madnessteat]

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Haha. That's right. If Trump had any ties with Russia, Russian citizens would probably not have had to endure so many sanctions from the U.S. over the past few years. This list both grew during the Obama presidency and continues to grow during Trump's presidency.

[Barnabe]

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We're going to have to sit around and wait for new info, that's all we can do.

@squatz1 once again the opposition is manipulating US citizens into believing that Trump has connections with Russia, and this is absolute nonsense because they’re trying to divert the attention of people from the fact that Trump has successfully pulled back troops from Afghanistan. Further I’m expecting more such hoax statements to surface in the election year against Trump, as the Democrats are suddenly fearing for their victory, because an improved US economy will guarantee Trump an easy victory in the upcoming elections. ...

They'll likely have a new fabrication every week going forward.

The game will be a new unsubstantiated charge before the last one has even settled.

Some will solemnly repeat every one of these lies.

For me the problem is that democrats tried too much to discredit Trump and it backfired a lot of time. If you are flooding the media and other organs of communications with false claim, don't expect people to trust you when you are telling the truth

[Spendulus]

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They'll likely have a new fabrication every week going forward.

The game will be a new unsubstantiated charge before the last one has even settled.

Some will solemnly repeat every one of these lies.

For me the problem is that democrats tried too much to discredit Trump and it backfired a lot of time. If you are flooding the media and other organs of communications with false claim, don't expect people to trust you when you are telling the truth

Lol "The boy who cried wolf" right?

Nonetheless, they will have a new outlandish lie every week, through the election cycle. Because that's who they are, and what they do.

[Coyster]

For me the problem is that democrats tried too much to discredit Trump and it backfired a lot of time.

It backfires because election propagandas doesn't work in America any longer, it's easy for citizens of the US to know what's true and what's not, except prolly those on the side of the democrats. The democrats should try to think less of debasing Donald Trump's government and draft out better plans to take back power in the November polls.

[Spendulus]

For me the problem is that democrats tried too much to discredit Trump and it backfired a lot of time.

It backfires because election propagandas doesn't work in America any longer, it's easy for citizens of the US to know what's true and what's not, except prolly those on the side of the democrats. The democrats should try to think less of debasing Donald Trump's government and draft out better plans to take back power in the November polls.

Good point. When they were normal acting for the four years of a POTUS term and then right at the verge of the election introduced their lying lies, they'd catch everyone by surprise and put the opponet on the defensive.

But here and now, it's been four years of lying lies and nonstop BS, and people are really sick and tired of it.

[iRaMMuS34]

US media and state organizations give Putin too much credit. At this point russians don't even need to intimidate americans, they do it themselves

[Spendulus]

US media and state organizations give Putin too much credit....

Only those factions that thought Putin'd make a handy scapegoat.

[madnessteat]

Politics is a professional theater with real dramas and deaths. Americans are intimidated by Russians, and Russians are intimidated by Americans as they were 20 years ago. Nothing changes. One thing I don't understand is why do our governments spend so much of their tax money on this war if nothing changes?