Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested

[Spendulus]

Trump's been pretty straight forward in his talk about Epstein and his non-involvement with their little circle. As I recalled he more or less hinted he figured out what they were up to.

By contrast, Bill Clinton logged 19 trips on that private jet.

well we both know that trump and clinton are sexually excessive...

Maxwell was wired into the upper levels of NY society, attended all the social functions and such. Of course she would have met Trump. But he's not the kind of person that needs these conniving pimps, and he didn't have any reason to head off to an island to get women.

If you want to figure out what went on, what the scheme was, you'll have to look past Trump for sure.

[PrimeNumber7]

Ghislaine Maxwell once boasted she had video of two “high profile” US politicians, along with other powerful figures, having sex with underage girls, claims a former jewel thief who described the disgraced socialite as a nymphomaniac.

The source to this claim has credibility problems, but given how long Epstein (and Maxwell) were able to live freely, I would not be surprised if they both had incriminating evidence against politicians.

There have also been allegations they have spy connections to foreign governments, possibly Israel. To my knowledge, this is unsubstantiated.

If there are Democrat politicians charged over this, and there is evidence to support the charges, the underlying reason why "resistance" to Trump has been so strong.

I view the matter as likely a truly evil spiderweb set up to snare people, both innocent and other evil people. That's political-party-independnat, but if, say, Bill Clinton was involved, I'm willing to consider him an innocent victim of blackmail until proven otherwise.

Some of Epstein's victims have described what happened as having not giving anything resembling consent, even if you ignore the fact they were too young to consent at the time. This is absolutely, 100% indefensible for the times this happened. There are probably other cases in which the above was not the case.

I would also presume that most, if not all of Clinton's interactions with Epstein were after Epstein plead guilty to sex crimes relating to an underage prostitute, which would cut into the argument that he is an innocent victim of blackmail (he may still be a victim of blackmail, but he may have done something he knew to be illegal at the time).

The whole thing smelly fishy from the get go. "Hey, you want to take a ride on our private jet to an island with lots of young girls that well, you can pretty much have your pick of?" Anyone hearing that would wonder what the catch was.

It sounds like you are making an argument against what you were saying above.

[squatz1]

...to make sure she's not able to speak about the atrocities she saw.

Saw? She may have been the main plotter.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/11/ghislaine-maxwell-allegedly-filmed-politicians-with-underage-girls/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&__twitter_impression=true

Ghislaine Maxwell once boasted she had video of two “high profile” US politicians, along with other powerful figures, having sex with underage girls, claims a former jewel thief who described the disgraced socialite as a nymphomaniac.

The reformed thief and author, who uses the pseudonym William Steel, said he long suspected Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell were abusing underage girls after meeting them in a jewelry store in Palm Beach as he tried to sell his stolen wares, he said in an interview with The Sun.
Steel, who claims he once swiped computer discs from the couple and sent them to authorities, did not reveal the identities of the people he says he saw in the videos. Steel admitting having sex with Maxwell, noting she would do “everything and anything in bed,” but said he never touched anyone underage, according to the tabloid.

“I was forced to watch their videos because they were trying to impress me,” said Steel. “They wanted to convince me of their power and who they held in their grip. I saw videos of very powerful people — celebrities, world figures — in those videos having sex, threesomes, even orgies with minors.”...

Epstein and Maxwell got in touch with him to buy stolen goods for the girls they were allegedly grooming as sex slaves said Steel, who stole millions of dollars in art and jewels in the US.

“It was mostly tennis bracelets, charm bracelets, women’s Piaget watches,” he said.

Steel said while Maxwell was very loyal to Epstein, she also knew he would prove her undoing.

“She said to me that she often thought she needed to do something about Epstein, telling me, ‘He is going to be the death of me,'” he said, adding she had an escape plan she called the “Polanski plan” after filmmaker Roman Polanski, who fled the United States for France after raping a 13-year-old girl in 1977.

“She told me about her Polanski plan where she would flee to France because they couldn’t extradite her,” Steel said.

Co-Plotter is probably the best way to explain this.

I assume when you have videos/pictures of politicans and some of the most powerful people in the world having sex with underage kids its pretty easy to feel like you're untouchable and on top of the world.

Would really have made sense if Maxwell (and Epstein) had dead mans switches to release all of this information if they were to go poof -- like Maxwell is to be soon, and we all already know the fate of Epstein.

I know there is some infighting in regards to if Trump / Clinton is involved here. Honestly we'll probably never find out, but I really just want everyone who was involved to get the justice they deserve. I'm not putting politics over this horrible pedophile ring. If Trump was involved, I hope he suffers in Prison. Same thing for the Clintons, Obama, etc.

[Spendulus]

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I know there is some infighting in regards to if Trump / Clinton is involved here. Honestly we'll probably never find out, but I really just want everyone who was involved to get the justice they deserve. I'm not putting politics over this horrible pedophile ring. If Trump was involved, I hope he suffers in Prison. Same thing for the Clintons, Obama, etc.

I don't think this plot is going to revolve around sex with underaged girls, whether with or without consent. It's going to revolve around the way blackmailing people with video recordings of them in underage sex or bizarre sex led to Epstein amassing billions of dollars.

Billions.

It seems to me that Trump has been pretty straight forward about himself and Epstein. In contrast, Bill Clinton got a free pass for EVERY thing he did with women.

As they say, "Follow the money." That doesn't seem to lead anywhere with Trump. Here is one account of their interactions.

Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.

“Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him.

The filing is dated April 2011, well before Trump ascended to the presidency.

The same filing also cites an underage Jane Doe’s allegation that Epstein’s girlfriend-turned-pal Ghislane Maxwell recruited her at Mar-a-Lago to be the couple’s “sex slave.”

Trump has previously praised Epstein as a “terrific guy” and, according to the filing, Epstein once welcomed Trump aboard his private plane, hosted him in his Palm Beach home and had 14 phone numbers for Trump in a computer directory.

But the president on Tuesday distanced himself from the freshly arrested, convicted pedophile.

“I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him,” Trump told reporters at the White House of Epstein during an appearance with Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani. “I had a falling out a long time ago, I’d say maybe 15 years.

“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.”


https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump-barred-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/

[Viper1]

The crap that has gone on with Epstein just sickens me. The people that let him go in the first place need to be strung up by their balls with piano wire.

"Ghislane Maxwell's lawyers are telling the court they intend to challenge the charges against her on the theory that they violate the past 2007 non-prosecution agreement with Epstein"

https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1282420849119821824/photo/1

[Spendulus]

The crap that has gone on with Epstein just sickens me. The people that let him go in the first place need to be strung up by their balls with piano wire.

"Ghislane Maxwell's lawyers are telling the court they intend to challenge the charges against her on the theory that they violate the past 2007 non-prosecution agreement with Epstein"

https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1282420849119821824/photo/1

It's true, there was such an agreement. I'm finding the power and money plays here more interesting than any of the sex gaming.

[madnessteat]

The crap that has gone on with Epstein just sickens me. The people that let him go in the first place need to be strung up by their balls with piano wire. ~

I fully agree that people like Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell should be punished with the most severe penalties. It's a pity they can't atone for their victims even with their deaths.

[Viper1]

Was thinking about it and by using that defense isn't she implicitly admitting she's a co-conspirator?

[franky1]

Maxwell was wired into the upper levels of NY society, attended all the social functions and such. Of course she would have met Trump. But he's not the kind of person that needs these conniving pimps, and he didn't have any reason to head off to an island to get women.

If you want to figure out what went on, what the scheme was, you'll have to look past Trump for sure.

again.. i know he is your president and you want to auto defend him for patriotic sake
but you have to atleast remember he is not on the same level/plain as obama/bush/buffet
his pussy gate/stormy daniels and other things shows he is not some innocent jesus guy..
not saying he's into kids. but he is not some only business guy either.

as i said before and ill say again because its something im not sure your willing to add in as a variable.

imagine there are 1000 elitists
maxwell/epstein might know of must of them. though business. with some having some sexual proclivaties.
even legal ones.. maybe some ilicit but not creepy. like some just wanna snort coke off a 23yo's butt cheek... and they try to get them in on their lil circles.

but the reason why they dont invite say warren buffet/bush. is because although they would love to be warren buffets/bush sr&jr's best bud. they cant really find anything blackmailable or enticing that they would want from maxwell/epstein.
so they stick to the ones that do have some things they can entice with/blackmail against

meaning trump is not on the same moral highground as buffet.
clinton is not on the same highground as bush/obama
so the bush's/buffet were never circled in on

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i know you might for patriotic sake might want to think it was pure business from trump.. but he was a party animal and he does love women
not saying kids. but he does love women and there is obviously something deeper that maxwell/epstein have that kept trump coming back for more

[Spendulus]

Maxwell was wired into the upper levels of NY society, attended all the social functions and such. Of course she would have met Trump. But he's not the kind of person that needs these conniving pimps, and he didn't have any reason to head off to an island to get women.

If you want to figure out what went on, what the scheme was, you'll have to look past Trump for sure.

again.. i know he is your president and you want to auto defend him...

You'll just have to go back and look at events in New York City between 1990 and 1996 to comprehend all this. There's really no way to look at today's "powerful people" and try to wedge them back into the script.

Here's just one example. One of many.

Epstein got a 77M mansion in NY City....for free. From Wexler.

How'd that happen, exactly?

... he does love women and there is obviously something deeper that maxwell/epstein have that kept trump coming back for more

He didn't "keep coming back." But some British royalty most certainly did. What did Epstein pry out of them?

Was thinking about it and by using that defense isn't she implicitly admitting she's a co-conspirator?

No. That kind of agreement would have been written more like agreements where a company pays someone a large sum but "admits no wrongdoing or liability." Regardless, the agreement doesn't apply. This is a different place and a different case.

[PrimeNumber7]

Would really have made sense if Maxwell (and Epstein) had dead mans switches to release all of this information if they were to go poof -- like Maxwell is to be soon, and we all already know the fate of Epstein.

I would find this unlikely because it would remove any leverage they have once they get arrested.

My guess is they had a fairly small number of high-level politicians in their pocket that could call in political favors to drop investigations, or reduce charges. DAs often work in relative secret, and oftentimes their investigations are not public until charges are brought.

[Subbir]

Jeffrey Epstein and his girlfriend Ghisline Maxwell were convicted of sexually assaulting American money launderer and convict Ghisline Maxwell The statements made by Ben-Menas are thus far unsubstantiated but if proven true they might provide significant evidence of Israel's senior and prominent politicians and their involvement in blackmail within the us It would only increase the state's already published diary of driving Western political systemsas evidenced by the Israeli lobby's efforts to bring down British and American politicians over the past few years.

[Spendulus]

Would really have made sense if Maxwell (and Epstein) had dead mans switches to release all of this information if they were to go poof -- like Maxwell is to be soon, and we all already know the fate of Epstein.

I would find this unlikely because it would remove any leverage they have once they get arrested.

My guess is they had a fairly small number of high-level politicians in their pocket that could call in political favors to drop investigations, or reduce charges. DAs often work in relative secret, and oftentimes their investigations are not public until charges are brought.

The influences that Epstein had extended well beyond twenty years. It's only after the rise of the "me-too" movement that he was jailed and then murdered.

But twenty years? What politicians would those be? Clinton is one obvious one, but what others?

[PrimeNumber7]

Would really have made sense if Maxwell (and Epstein) had dead mans switches to release all of this information if they were to go poof -- like Maxwell is to be soon, and we all already know the fate of Epstein.

I would find this unlikely because it would remove any leverage they have once they get arrested.

My guess is they had a fairly small number of high-level politicians in their pocket that could call in political favors to drop investigations, or reduce charges. DAs often work in relative secret, and oftentimes their investigations are not public until charges are brought.

The influences that Epstein had extended well beyond twenty years. It's only after the rise of the "me-too" movement that he was jailed and then murdered.

Epstein was not investigated (most recently) until the Miami Harold decided to investigate what happened well over a decade ago, in what I believe was an attempt to take down Alex Acosta, who was the Labor Secretary in the Trump administration. I don’t think they would have looked into the case if someone in the Trump administration was not involved in the original case. It was Acosta who was able to get a plea deal for Epstein to plea guilty and get a minor punishment, after state officials were about to drop the case. At the time, local officials were being investigated by Epstein and were receiving political pressure to not prosecute.

But twenty years? What politicians would those be? Clinton is one obvious one, but what others?

Who knows. I guess time will tell. Clinton lost a lot of influence after MeToo stared. As we have seen in the past few years, the FBI is influenced by the Democratic Party, and their interests. Epstein also appears to have operated largely in cities long controlled by Democrats. It is also possible that Epstein was able to remain free in part by getting politicians to stop investigations before they got underway and would receive any “tips” or complaints about Epstein, and stopped any investigations, somewhat similar to someone closing their eyes to not see any wrongdoing.

[Spendulus]

....Clinton lost a lot of influence after MeToo stared. As we have seen in the past few years, the FBI is influenced by the Democratic Party, and their interests. Epstein also appears to have operated largely in cities long controlled by Democrats. It is also possible that Epstein was able to remain free in part by getting politicians to stop investigations before they got underway and would receive any “tips” or complaints about Epstein, and stopped any investigations, somewhat similar to someone closing their eyes to not see any wrongdoing.

From the beginning of civilization, one of the most common vices was pay-for-sex and all it's variations. A pedophile/procuress couple acting as pimps for the powerful and wealthy?

I don't buy it. In most cities in the world, for money, sex of any sort can be had. For the kind of money these people have, very quickly and easily.

There's something else at play here, and sex is just the cover story.

[Viper1]

Some funny info about them arresting her. i.e. she had wrapped her phone in tin foil. The prosecutors also responded with reasons why she shouldn't be allowed out on bail and also that the Epstein agreement isn't binding on them as agreements like that are only binding in the district that made them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8518247/Ghislaine-Maxwell-tried-flee-phone-wrapped-tin-foil-FBI-arrived-home.html

[madnessteat]

Some funny info about them arresting her. i.e. she had wrapped her phone in tin foil. ~

This isn't the first time I've heard of foil wrapping. Is it really a way to muffle all signals and is there any difference between this method and simply turning off the mobile phone?

[Spendulus]

Some funny info about them arresting her. i.e. she had wrapped her phone in tin foil. ~

This isn't the first time I've heard of foil wrapping. Is it really a way to muffle all signals and is there any difference between this method and simply turning off the mobile phone?

Yes. If it's on, it's communicating and giving out it's location, If it's off, it can be remotely turned on and then, well, it's on, and reporting.

[Viper1]

Some funny info about them arresting her. i.e. she had wrapped her phone in tin foil. ~

This isn't the first time I've heard of foil wrapping. Is it really a way to muffle all signals and is there any difference between this method and simply turning off the mobile phone?

Yes. If it's on, it's communicating and giving out it's location, If it's off, it can be remotely turned on and then, well, it's on, and reporting.

It can always be "on" as long as there's a battery in it which means if "could" be giving out your location. I haven't kept up with the latest developments in phone stuff so don't know if some do or not.

[squatz1]

Some funny info about them arresting her. i.e. she had wrapped her phone in tin foil. ~

This isn't the first time I've heard of foil wrapping. Is it really a way to muffle all signals and is there any difference between this method and simply turning off the mobile phone?

Yes. If it's on, it's communicating and giving out it's location, If it's off, it can be remotely turned on and then, well, it's on, and reporting.

US uses stingray phone trackers to be able to track where phones are while mimicing a cell phone tower so phones will automatically connect to it without knowing that it is being tracked. Makes sense to try to use the tin foil in a situation like this. The REAL smart thing to do is get rid of your phone and go buy a burner, but I guess she isn't as smart as that.

Here's a little wiki explanation on this:

The StingRay is an IMSI-catcher with both passive (digital analyzer) and active (cell-site simulator) capabilities. When operating in active mode, the device mimics a wireless carrier cell tower in order to force all nearby mobile phones and other cellular data devices to connect to it

Then again, who in gods name is Maxwells phone provider? Like shit I doubt it is that hard to subpoena Verizon and have them track that phone within a certain area at all times.