To all DT1 members | Interesting negative feedback from JollyGood!

[trendcoin]

reference link: https://web.archive.org/web/20200529232533/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225711.msg53855437#msg53855437

I have been active in this forum for about 2 years (turkish local board). I did a trade with vispilio a year ago (2019-08-12) and found that he was a trusted person. A transaction that took place under his control was achieved with 100 percent confidence and success. so I wrote a message to his subject because I thought he would be an honest bounty manager.

While watching a match in the hall of my house, I can sometimes sing for Barcelona. From turkey, barcelona can support. because Barcelona plays nice and high quality football. however, my support for barcelona does not mean that i am an authorized person in the barcelona organization. I would only support one case. If Barcelona gets involved in a bad job, I'm not guilty. I'll just be the one to support beautiful football. If I get a penalty in such a situation, those who manage the legal process will misuse their duty.

yes, fortunately barcelona is a clean club, and there are no bad legal managers who can punish me! yes, such that vispillo is also a reliable member and a good bounty manager, and did not cause any material or moral damage to anyone. For this reason, punishment cannot be imposed on someone who has traded with him before, who knows him in the forum and wants to support him.

Besides, have you ever seen a cheating football club amidst the full tribunes? do you think the barcelona club cheats in the middle of full tribunes? I think it doesn't, because that would be stupid. it would be foolish to think like that.

I posted a message of support where everyone can see it. It's not stupid to post messages in a place that everyone can see. It may be stupid to think that such a thing is cheating.


I did not deserve this negative feedback. JollyGood, please remove it!


note: My English is not very good. I get help from other people to send messages globally. I opened this topic with my bad English. I may not have been able to express myself well.

[Vispilio]

Great job @trendcoin, and it's really too generous to make a polite and well thought-out thread about vacant NPC's like ~jollygood.

Criminals like ~lauda and ~jollygood will continue to be presented as "trusted" members of this community, while in reality even the puppet masters that employ them as useful thralls know that they belong in either a jail or mental institution.

That's precisely what makes them such useful pawns, the organization that runs this forum behind closed doors employs a few select ninja trolls almost 24 / 7 for pennies (sometimes even for free  ). The greater crypto community has mostly abandoned this forum a while ago, so there is really no public conscience left to kick them to the curb either; thus they continue serving nepotist agendas against all sense and reason...

[AB de Royse777]

I see this bad practice from users tagging or leaving feedback just because they told something good about user x who they do not like or do not trust somehow.

The reason is very poor from Jolly.

BEWARE: trendcoin has been connected a group of trolls from the Turkish board that are spreading propaganda and part of a merit abuse and fake trust circle and he seems to promote low-life users such as Vispilio.

I added trendcoin to my IGNORE list and recommend you all do the same

Reasons:
group of trolls
spreading propaganda
a merit abuse (Not sure if we tag for that)
fake trust circle (do we tag or distrust if we really feel there is a trust circle)

And finally this: promote low-life users such as Vispilio

Tagging a user because he left or promote someone who you do not like or trust? That is not why the trust system is here in the first place. To me this is an invalid tag if I am not missing anything massive of course.

Not the place to talk about the following but this is what happen to me too:

Do not trust this user's judgement for despite the good intentions this user possesses; the flaw in judgement is inevitable since it trusts a know Racist and Plagiarist who has actively promoted scammers on the forum.

From user allahabadi.

Seriously bud! Just because you do not like Lauda, you got the right to leave things on others page (although it's a neutral) because they had a good experience with them? What I wrote about Lauda is what I felt when we worked together. The only thing about Lauda that I do not like is she leaves feedback very quickly like Jolly did in this particular case.

Criminals

This is a very strong word buddy. I hope you really did not mean the word.

[suchmoon]

What does this have to do with Barcelona and all that other shit?

The OP doesn't deserve red trust. Ignore - fine. Excluding from trust lists - probably advisable. Red trust due to posting in Vispilio's thread? No. That looks like red trust for an opinion.

[trendcoin]

What does this have to do with Barcelona and all that other shit?

It serves to explain the high judgments of dt1 members of the global forum with analogy. I don't like football, but most of the world likes football. a nice way to light a bulb in everyone's head.

[1miau]

Red trust is not deserved in my opinion, I don't see a reason why I shouldn't trust OP based on this feedback. In addition "he seems to promote" is a very weak reason for a negative trust feedback, if "promoting" users is a reason for red trust at all.

[Bthd]

He tagged two more users for the same reason (@muslol67 , @BitcoinTurk) with same reference. @theymos There should be a method to neutralize this type of wrong negative feedbacks (opinion based feedbacks). May be a system like flag system, there should be opposite/support options for DT1 users. Merit or smerit rewards can motivate DT1 members for voting, it is just an idea.

[logfiles]

What does this have to do with Barcelona and all that other shit?

I think he was trying to give an example thou his English was not straight forward, where if Barcelona was involved in something shady, then he as a fan of Barcelona should not be punished for cheering their Football.

[suchmoon]

He tagged two more users for the same reason (@muslol67 , @BitcoinTurk) with same reference. @theymos There should be a method to neutralize this type of wrong negative feedbacks (opinion based feedbacks). May be a system like flag system, there should be opposite/support options for DT1 users. Merit or smerit rewards can motivate DT1 members for voting, it is just an idea.

A method to neutralize wrong feedback already exists: "~". There is no need to invent anything new. There is definitely no need to motivate DT1 members with merit.

[1miau]

He tagged two more users for the same reason (@muslol67 , @BitcoinTurk) with same reference. @theymos There should be a method to neutralize this type of wrong negative feedbacks (opinion based feedbacks). May be a system like flag system, there should be opposite/support options for DT1 users. Merit or smerit rewards can motivate DT1 members for voting, it is just an idea.

LoyceV suggested this already and I was positive about it, too: Trust Feature idea: give DT1 the ability to remove specific feedbacks from DT

Not only for cases like OP but also when respected DT members are getting incative:

I like your idea because of the following reason:

Bitcointalk will get another "problem" in a few years: inactive users on DT (1 or 2) whose feedback was (and is) still very valuable for the community but sometimes for single cases not accurate anymore because issues are solved or accounts are getting hacked etc.. If an account on DT is inactive and some feedbacks are getting inaccurate we have to decide: leave them on DT including all inaccurate feedbacks or remove all of his feedbacks by removing them from DT completely. Both variants aren't a good solution in my opinion.
An example: Zepher's negative rating left on sportsbet.io's account:

Multiple scam accusations against this casino in the scam section. The reference linked shows them withholding 21.5 BTC, of which 15 BTC was a deposit with 6.5 BTC winnings. Sportsbet have not paid out the 21.5 BTC, nor even returned the original deposit of 15 BTC. I would advise against playing at this casino until all allegations are fully resolved.

AFAIK the scam accusations are resolved:

Sportsbet.io has been resolved the accusation about 15 BTC which was mentioned by @Zepher & @Lutpin negative feedback's. So ignore both negative feedback's about that accusation and read reference link for better understand. Zepher is no more ( Hope he is in Haven) and Lutpin is very inactive, so feedback's couldn't delete or edit right now. I am bothering to leave this feedback since people's raising questions about resolved issue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=832366

I think the outcome is a litte bit confusing for all readers and sportsbet.io has (to be accurate two) outdated ratings which are not relevant anymore. To keep such valuable users on DT while ensuring the inaccurate ones can be removed, OP's suggestion is a good idea.

That's only one case where a feedback isn't accurate anymore and I'm 100% sure that will happen much more often when Bitcointalk gets older. So at least for such cases I like OP's suggestion.

[Bthd]

He tagged two more users for the same reason (@muslol67 , @BitcoinTurk) with same reference. @theymos There should be a method to neutralize this type of wrong negative feedbacks (opinion based feedbacks). May be a system like flag system, there should be opposite/support options for DT1 users. Merit or smerit rewards can motivate DT1 members for voting, it is just an idea.

A method to neutralize wrong feedback already exists: "~". There is no need to invent anything new. There is definitely no need to motivate DT1 members with merit.

Anyone can not have right decisions always. If someone has more than 100 right desicions and he has 3 wrong desicions, "~" will not solve the problem (I'm not writing about jollygood). When we add someone to distrust list this is not effect only wrong decisions, it effects all feedbacks created by him. Now the system is person based, it should be case based. May be you are right about rewards, i wasnt sure about it.

thank you @1miau

[hacker1001101001]

I am now 99.9% sure, JollyGood is an mental retard.

[The Cryptovator]

I am not agree with this feedback, reference is too weak comparing what wrote on the comment. Sometimes personally we don't like someone for some reason but it doesn't mean we have to leave negative feedback for that. Or supporting a person to whom I don't like shouldn't get red tag. Better solution is ignore and exclude IMO.

I am assuming @JollyGood left red tag by mistake instead of leave neutral feedback (I might be wrong as well).

He tagged two more users for the same reason (@muslol67 , @BitcoinTurk) with same reference. @theymos There should be a method to neutralize this type of wrong negative feedbacks (opinion based feedbacks). May be a system like flag system, there should be opposite/support options for DT1 users. Merit or smerit rewards can motivate DT1 members for voting, it is just an idea.

Then there will be war like gang war. Exclusion is the solution or there is counter feedback.

[Little Mouse]

I do not think this is a good use of the feedback system. May be a neutral would be perfect from JollyGood, negative is too harsh here. He should remove the tag. Did you PM him to respond here?

A method to neutralize wrong feedback already exists: "~". There is no need to invent anything new. There is definitely no need to motivate DT1 members with merit.

I think it is not that as easy as you said. I have Lauda in my trust list while Lauda gave me a wrong feedback. Due to Lauda's feedback sending history which is good for everyone and for me too while trading, I did not remove Lauda from my trust list.

[trendcoin]

What does this have to do with Barcelona and all that other shit?

I think he was trying to give an example thou his English was not straight forward, where if Barcelona was involved in something shady, then he as a fan of Barcelona should not be punished for cheering their Football.

yes, i said in the note part that i have a bad english. If suchmoon managed to read to the end, he would see it. I created such an analogy. because I am not looking for any intentions about the person who gives negative feedback for such a reason. I wanted to explain the situation with a simple example to say that the person giving negative feedback may be someone who confuses simple things. I encountered language problems while aiming to appeal to all levels. Thank you for your help.

[LoyceV]

Since JollyGood trusts my judgement, I'll respond here:
I don't think this is correct use of the Trust system, and I don't think this deserves a negative tag. If you don't like trendcoin's opinion that's fine, just ignore him. If you want to leave a comment as feedback, I think it should be neutral.


@trendcoin:

Trust list for: trendcoin (Trust: neutral) (599 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-07-04_Sat_05.03h)
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trendcoin Trusts these users' judgement:
1. peloso (Trust: +2 / =3 / -4) (DT1 (-15) 171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Vispilio (Trust: +0 / =2 / -2) (DT1 (-6) 969 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -3) (656 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. AlyattesLydia (Trust: neutral) (465 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Cryptorianx (Trust: neutral) (126 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

You can't seriously think wolwoo is one of the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists, right? The guy leaves fake negative feedback to anyone he disagrees with. He's totally free to call anyone he wants a racist, but doing it in the form of negative feedback is Trust abuse. That's why he lost his DT1-status. By including him, you show bad judgement of your own.

What does this have to do with Barcelona and all that other shit?

I love how 75% of his own post is off-topic already

[trendcoin]

@LoyceV

wolwoo is a very different subject. wolwoo is someone who gives a lot of emotional reactions and that's why he makes many mistakes. I have said this to him many times. I warned him for acting wrong.


I have discussed with vispilio many times in the turkish local forum. all turkish local forum witness this. There are also justifiable reasons for vispilio to escape on some issues :)

but this does not change the fact that he is a good and reliable person. Since I cannot find a common ground for vispilio "about x", I do not see it as an enemy. something like that would make me a fixed mind.


I trust my observations for 2 years. I can trade with vispilio and wolwoo. they are absolutely reliable people. maybe they are more reliable than me. :) (joke)

wolwoo has already left the forum. I think he couldn't express himself well because of his language problem. and made many mistakes in succession. he made a mistake and the tension went up, then things got out of control.


I am also not even aware of the global wars. everyone is in the same category for me, including you. but I also have a world in the forum and I get along well with some people in this world and I trust them. I get along well with some people and keep the barcelona football club, it's exactly the same thing :) I am not interested in cheating in football and with the war in the forum ...


If I were interested in the war in the forum, I would try to keep my dt list on the border with 10 people. i don't care about these. I only answer a funny claim made about me. Is this claim funny or a little unwise, I could not distinguish it either. :)


Thank you to everyone who responded to the subject. I also thank JollyGood, who I opened the subject. I guess he did not come to the subject, now I realized. :(

dear supreme justice protector, our chief hero supreme jollygood where are you

[LoyceV]

wolwoo is a very different subject. wolwoo is someone who gives a lot of emotional reactions and that's why he makes many mistakes. I have said this to him many times. I warned him for acting wrong.

I think we can agree on this But someone with "emotional reactions" doesn't sound like someone to include in your Trust list.

I trust my observations for 2 years. I can trade with vispilio and wolwoo. they are absolutely reliable people. maybe they are more reliable than me. (joke)

That's great! But not a reason to add them to your Trust list. It's confusing how theymos calls everything "trust", while your Trust list is something different than (Trust) feedback. If you think someone is reliable, you should leave positive feedback. But if you think someone acts emotional, you should probably not trust his feedback on others (so don't add him to your Trust list).

Vispilio translated my topic on using the Trust system correctly: ⚡ Yeni Başlayanlar İçin ⚡ Trust Sistemi Kullanım Kılavuzu.

[trendcoin]

wolwoo is a very different subject. wolwoo is someone who gives a lot of emotional reactions and that's why he makes many mistakes. I have said this to him many times. I warned him for acting wrong.

I think we can agree on this :) But someone with "emotional reactions" doesn't sound like someone to include in your Trust list.

I trust my observations for 2 years. I can trade with vispilio and wolwoo. they are absolutely reliable people. maybe they are more reliable than me. :) (joke)

That's great! But not a reason to add them to your Trust list. It's confusing how theymos calls everything "trust", while your Trust list is something different than (Trust) feedback. If you think someone is reliable, you should leave positive feedback. But if you think someone acts emotional, you should probably not trust his feedback on others (so don't add him to your Trust list).

Vispilio translated my topic on using the Trust system correctly: ⚡ Yeni Başlayanlar İçin ⚡ Trust Sistemi Kullanım Kılavuzu.

If you cut what I'm saying in half, we can also create misunderstandings. :) I want my words to be understood in unity. I also trust the opinions of wolwoo and vispilio. I believe they can fix some existing errors over time. People can make mistakes.

some local users are active only in their language departments. you can think of it as a dialectic due to some kind of logical imperative. Just because we come together with a number of causations doesn't mean we cheat. :) so i know wolwoo and vispilio and i believe i know it right. I acknowledge that there may be some mistakes and I believe that they can improve over time. Thank you for your advice, Master, I will consider it.

[suchmoon]

I think it is not that as easy as you said. I have Lauda in my trust list while Lauda gave me a wrong feedback. Due to Lauda's feedback sending history which is good for everyone and for me too while trading, I did not remove Lauda from my trust list.

It's not supposed to be easy. If it was easy then perhaps theymos could replace DT1 with 100 lines of PHP code and be done with it.

It's not just about questionable feedback but also how users handle questions and disputes. Everyone (except LoyceV) makes mistakes and I don't see anything wrong with admitting and correcting an occasional mistake.