Open discussion: Won 171 BTC and settled for 48 BTC

[AB de Royse777]

Shocked Still shaking and I haven't been able to sleep all night, but have just uploaded a video to YouTube while awaiting my first withdrawal to be processed.

I wasn't recording until I was playing half way through the free spins and realised this is going to be a huge win, so i left the game so that I could restart it and record the video with bandicam, so here it is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbmiCYjA-hQ

Many re-triggers and round 16 is the BIG one with full screen of top paying symbol.

This is 100% real, i even went to live chat at the end of the video to prove that by asking live chat guy as since i can hardly believe it myself, you guys may find it even harder!
Actually you can see yourself go to bitcasino.io and check their "live RTP" bit, and the olympus slot I played has now 7000% RTP due to my mega win.

Source: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5474/54745946.html
Main topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260506.0

The topic is locked so none can respond there but this does not answer the unanswered questions for all of us at least not for me.

I was very surprised to see the settlement and was writing the following until I realized the topic was locked:

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[quote author=LAngel link=topic=5260506.msg54753858#msg54753858 date=1594208049]
i removed the video and must not comment more on this thread
i have agreed a settlment with bitcasino.io they have agreed to pay 48 bitcoins (4 per week for 12 weeks)
and i confirm i just received my first 4 bitcoins

please lock the thread 
[/quote]
Such a happy feeling for both party. I am glad that it worked out for both you and bitcasino however I would like to know the reason behind the settlement.

1. Bitcasino was unable to pay 171+ BTC?
2. You took advantage of some unfair bugs?

I would like to know which side compromised and why? I think it's a valid reason to ask since it is in public now since anyone can win big and maybe they will not like any settlement like you agreed. Giving up 171 - 48 BTC is a lot of money. 

A casino never forgive a user if they lose big amount, do they?

Anyway, I would like a response from Bitcasino here. I like bitcasino and sportsbet. In the past I have recommended them without any hesitation but it seems from now on I will feel hesitation to recommend them until I have a satisfactory answer. If I want to defend them in a case then other party will easily stop me saying that bitcasino do not pay their users winning and I will have no response for them then.

Here is my point:
I have seen many people to lose their hard-earned money to casinos, none got any sympathy even few days ago I saw a guy was saying he lost his life savings (people can be stupid). If people can lose their lifesaving and give up everything to a casino without any sympathy then why wouldn't a casino give full money of a winning instead of a settlement? 

PS: I am happy for both LAngel and Bitcasino but that does not answer my question until I have one.

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[yahoo62278]

I made a topic in reputation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.new#new and was given a link to this thread. Feel free to have a read. Hopefully we can get some answers.

[xxjumperxx]

Thanks for opening an open discussion Royse777.

I was following the thread and there was a lot of question marks left by OP.
First he was very excited and scared he wouldn't get the prize, then he went silent and deleted all of the posts...

He lost alot of the money and deleted all of the posts, good to have them archived.

Interesting to see what and if anyone from Bitcasino opens up and clears out out some of the questions.

[AB de Royse777]

I made a topic in reputation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.new#new and was given a link to this thread. Feel free to have a read. Hopefully we can get some answers.

Yeah, I hope too. I already seen your topic in the reputation section and I think it's okay to have both in both place. There are a lot of people in gambling section who never subscribed to reputation board so for them this will serve an exposure.

Thanks for opening an open discussion Royse777.

I was following the thread and there was a lot of question marks left by OP.
First he was very excited and scared he wouldn't get the prize, then he went silent and deleted all of the posts...

He lost alot of the money and deleted all of the posts, good to have them archived.

Interesting to see what and if anyone from Bitcasino opens up and clears out out some of the questions.

I will hate to hear LAngel was forced to settle for 48 BTC instead of his original winning. Please emphasis on the word FORCE.

[Bitcasino.io Support]

Hi guys,

Unfortunately the main thread got closed before we got our long reply together, but we've left a reply on the Reputation area thread.

Please have a look as there was never a settlement.

Cheers,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

[Sadlife]

This goes to show that casino's has no really intention of paying users and violates the compromise to pay in full if player manage to win huge amount to a legitimate gambling session. I think they've underestimated gamblers in the ability to strategize, they've probably thought they can milk those compulsive gamblers with difficult odds of winning.

In these the player probably thought that settling is the best option than to not get paid. I guess this is one of the disadvantage of unregulated casino and gambler operators.

[mindrust]

171btc is huge money though.

They had 2 choices:

1- Go bankrupt and pay the winner in full
2- Make a deal

If the 2 parties are happy with the outcome, I can't really blame the casino for this.

edit: I see there is no settlement at all. Reading the big ass post now. It became interesting suddenly. (a lot more than it already was)

[xxjumperxx]

This goes to show that casino's has no really intention of paying users and violates the compromise to pay in full if player manage to win huge amount to a legitimate gambling session. I think they've underestimated gamblers in the ability to strategize, they've probably thought they can milk those compulsive gamblers with difficult odds of winning.

In these the player probably thought that settling is the best option than to not get paid. I guess this is one of the disadvantage of unregulated casino and gambler operators.

171btc is huge money though.

They had 2 choices:

1- Go bankrupt and pay the winner in full
2- Make a deal

If the 2 parties are happy with the outcome, I can't really blame the casino for this.

Read post above or 2 above... He was a known Scammer.

Hi guys,

Unfortunately the main thread got closed before we got our long reply together, but we've left a reply on the Reputation area thread.

Please have a look as there was never a settlement.

Cheers,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

[swogerino]

I just read the answer in the reputation thread and I think the reason to froze that account and not pay him based on the evidence provided is correct.I play myself daily at Sportsbet.io slot machines which is owned by the same group and they have paid instantly amount of 1000 Eur.Of course my amount is really small compared with the amount discussed here but you get the point.

[AB de Royse777]

Hi guys,

Unfortunately the main thread got closed before we got our long reply together, but we've left a reply on the Reputation area thread.

Please have a look as there was never a settlement.

Cheers,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

I am going to lock this topic since we already have the answer which I quote:

Hi everyone,

We were made aware of a thread recently created, the thread is now locked and contains incorrect information which we’d like to set straight.


Before getting into the case, I want to acknowledge a point that was made in the now locked thread around the gravity of the situation
and the potential positive or negative impact on our reputation.

With that in mind, we think it’s crucial to share some of our reasoning and proof behind why we’re certain that LAngel’s winnings
are not legitimate and are a result of fraudulently manipulating GameArt’s Dawn of Olympus.

This is not the first encounter we’ve had with this person and this was made crystal clear when we uncovered a 100% match to a previous user
who had been investigated and subsequently blocked for tampering with games.
We use a wide array of industry-leading detection tools, 100% across them is unambiguously a match.

Previously, this user managed to extract a large amount of BTC from ourselves and also hit a few other crypto casinos in a very similar manner.
For this reason this person is widely known to ourselves, other crypto casinos and at least GameArt, if not other game providers.

Furthermore, KYC has been consistently inconsistent and while for privacy reasons we can’t post the submitted KYC here,
we can say without any doubt that the KYC documents submitted are not valid.

We know however that our community here requires something more tangible than simply our word.
Below, you will see the publicly available proof from the Blockchain supporting our findings that there is indeed a pattern of a single individual
who we know to be manipulating and exploiting games across casino operators, and that LAngel is not as legitimately lucky as would have you believe.

Transaction 1 where 0.483 BTC is moved to 14t9Ff3yUgwcQm5HsAsL5Rq7meBBCDT8g5
68c63caf998c3e84f342caa988d1e439f8cd78174aa389185b3e4a06f0ecf27b

Transaction 2 where 0.1 BTC is deposited from 14t9Ff3yUgwcQm5HsAsL5Rq7meBBCDT8g5 to Account 1 deposit address in Bitcasino 3G4r8XMKgvKFq3M29kNuV9RE6kvq7eY5Qh
7dbd1fe62c6afb93ecaa8ce0eed7cb0e90210de93151eb29f894a81c32cacc25

Transaction 3 where 0.196 BTC is sent from 14t9Ff3yUgwcQm5HsAsL5Rq7meBBCDT8g5 to a new address 1BCeQTQWvq5gzk8yEBzwGrWuLYjHmvf3P2
571a8a4c2f6d59044e669f5f5956e4544970fce7aea21feb3d32caa577b35497

Transaction 4 where inputs from 1BCeQTQWvq5gzk8yEBzwGrWuLYjHmvf3P2 and 13mEeWBYtd4huuuWGTFbEvbH192uMGh3tF send 4.5 BTC to a Casino Operator 1 deposit address 1BnqgnQFVpevz7idhBHpdD2Axy7L9ZC42U and 0.134 BTC to a new address 1DFQ7ofFWf1yffqwQL1Jdv445ZeYxSuGiD 90eea9f590e77ce6e9e70de79911ef38275e0d22642b54c02d34343c3b59bbdb

Transaction 5 where inputs from 18qF5tBd175jfz3AwjtsbebTfn8nkfRGDm and 1DFQ7ofFWf1yffqwQL1Jdv445ZeYxSuGiD are sending 0.5 BTC to Bitcasino onto Account 2 deposit address 3Bn9pecZA6r3Z1bCYdh4GV5tM3DYXxMhzF and 0.055 BTC to a new address 1J14KoZVUXrG3P4Rcs6URZQ1dJHY77tVWQ 5a9b14457a493e6c237d1e38dd1b80082af45e217a77782fdd605fd5e09dd4ee

Transaction 6 where inputs 1J14KoZVUXrG3P4Rcs6URZQ1dJHY77tVWQ and 1JkAF2owb3QgXG1UN53yREFvogTWeLs1TZ fund a deposit of 0.5 BTC to a players deposit address 38492UnXhifAE4Yag26Lbp6beoxB1cLTDT within Casino Operator 2 52777ed072b6fdd1c3cbb8b14ce7fb37556d302a0e9eaa64e801731c8b92fcb3

The above combination transactions prove that the addresses involved are in possession of a single entity responsible of the deposits to
Bitcasino Account 1, Account 2 and also to Casino Operator 1 and Casino Operator 2.

Collection of the entity’s mentioned addresses:

14t9Ff3yUgwcQm5HsAsL5Rq7meBBCDT8g5
1BCeQTQWvq5gzk8yEBzwGrWuLYjHmvf3P2
1DFQ7ofFWf1yffqwQL1Jdv445ZeYxSuGiD
1J14KoZVUXrG3P4Rcs6URZQ1dJHY77tVWQ

Account 1 Bitcasino deposit address:
3G4r8XMKgvKFq3M29kNuV9RE6kvq7eY5Qh
Account 2 Bitcasino deposit address:
3Bn9pecZA6r3Z1bCYdh4GV5tM3DYXxMhzF
Casino Operator 1 deposit address:
1BnqgnQFVpevz7idhBHpdD2Axy7L9ZC42U
Casino Operator 2 deposit address:
38492UnXhifAE4Yag26Lbp6beoxB1cLTDT

Blockchain links to each relevant transaction:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/68c63caf998c3e84f342caa988d1e439f8cd78174aa389185b3e4a06f0ecf27b
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/7dbd1fe62c6afb93ecaa8ce0eed7cb0e90210de93151eb29f894a81c32cacc25
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/571a8a4c2f6d59044e669f5f5956e4544970fce7aea21feb3d32caa577b35497
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/90eea9f590e77ce6e9e70de79911ef38275e0d22642b54c02d34343c3b59bbdb
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5a9b14457a493e6c237d1e38dd1b80082af45e217a77782fdd605fd5e09dd4ee
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/52777ed072b6fdd1c3cbb8b14ce7fb37556d302a0e9eaa64e801731c8b92fcb3


Given the 100% match, our fraud team’s extensive findings supported by GameArt’s investigation and the history we have with this user
the account will not be unfrozen and the funds will not be paid out. There is no settlement, this is false information.

Bitcasino has been around for just over six years now, that type of longevity is not possible in our industry if you’re scamming or acting with ill intent.
On average we pay out legitimate winnings in two minutes but we will never be publicly blackmailed into paying out illegitimate gains.

There may be people here who, for their own reasons, will not want to believe or agree with our decision.
To that we can only urge everyone to think critically about this case and explore the evidence available.
There are plenty of red flags that can be seen in the original thread, from the YouTube video to now being private to the very fact that the
user has been withdrawing 25BTC over the past few days - something which has already been noted by Bitcointalk members.

We will continue to work with our fellow crypto casinos and game providers to ensure that we are aware
and can protect ourselves from future attacks on both the technical and reputational fronts.

Currently, we’re in talks with the other casinos and those businesses affected to see whether or not they are happy to go public with their encounters with LAngel.
While we can’t make them, we strongly believe it’s important for our community to be united against such manipulation.

Lastly, we say it a lot but fun, fast and fair isn’t just our marketing motto - this is what we work and live by at Bitcasino.
We’re hopeful that the community here will explore the case and support us on the matter as it has done so many times before.

Should any member of the community have more information about this individual please feel free to reach out to enquiries@bitcasino.io or to myself.
You can also do so anonymously if you feel the need to.

Cheers,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

I am happy that bitcasino came up with the response that was expected from them. Thanks guys, you saved me big time from the stone I had on my chest.

Cheers,

PS: If anyone wants to continue discussion then feel free to jump here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.0