Can we still enjoy the anonymity in gambling in the long run?

[maydna]

Anonymity is no longer valid when the average gambling site asks email to register IMO...
In my experience, almost all gambling sites ask for email for registrants so that when you forget the password the account can be recovered but indirectly it makes your anonymity disappear, your email makes your identity open.

Not really because I think we can still use email which doesn't require complete data from the user. Even if the email provider needs telephone number, we can use disposable telephone number

We can use random identity, or you can search for generator identity which available on the internet. There are many ways you can use to hide your identity for a browse on the internet or just want to use a fake identity.

But it will differ if the gambling websites need you to do KYC verification and ask you to send your document, that means, it will not hide your identity, and that can makes your identity open.

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[ShowOff]

I am pessimistic that we can continue playing anonymous in gambling, because the number of gambling sites without KYC is decreasing.
The reason is to get the legality of online gambling must follow government regulations which must enforce KYC. Therefore many online
gambling is now illegal, and now many people are victims of fraud from illegal online gambling. Therefore there is a possibility that
all gambling will apply KYC for the security of its users, and if that happens anonymity in gambling is already don't exist anymore.

You dont need to be pessimistic because we never lack a site that can be used without verifying KYC. Site rules that require users to verify KYC can be regarded as one thing that can make their sites shunned by those who want anonymity for gambling activities. I believe that we will have these two choices and that will be the competition between each site.

[Ziskinberg]

Anonymity is no longer valid when the average gambling site asks email to register IMO...
In my experience, almost all gambling sites ask for email for registrants so that when you forget the password the account can be recovered but indirectly it makes your anonymity disappear, your email makes your identity open.

Not really because I think we can still use email which doesn't require complete data from the user. Even if the email provider needs telephone number, we can use disposable telephone number

We can use random identity, or you can search for generator identity which available on the internet. There are many ways you can use to hide your identity for a browse on the internet or just want to use a fake identity.

But it will differ if the gambling websites need you to do KYC verification and ask you to send your document, that means, it will not hide your identity, and that can makes your identity open.

That's the kind of liberty we are currently enjoying now, we have an email, and we are good to gamble, it's very simple and it seems like there is no security in our part as the only thing that binds is just an email address, if we are gambling like thousands of dollars, I think that is too risky.

But why people are still risking even with that reality?

it's because they know that the site itself can't risk their reputation as they will lose a lot of money.
In the forum alone, we can see a lot of gambling sites already having a scam accusation and slowly they loss their reputation.

[Janation]

Anonymity is no longer valid when the average gambling site asks email to register IMO...
In my experience, almost all gambling sites ask for email for registrants so that when you forget the password the account can be recovered but indirectly it makes your anonymity disappear, your email makes your identity open.

These emails though doesn't require you to put all of your information with it.

Also, you could make an email address that doesn't make sense at all so you would be able to maintain your anonymity. For example, you could use Iwantedtobeanonymous14@gmail.com so they will never know besides, you should just create a sole email for gambling and differentiate your other personal email addresses. It is that easy.

[aioc]

We all know that slowly the crypto casinos are getting regulated as we can't deny it's been growing and gamblers are slowly adopting to it.

What we are enjoy now is an "anonymous gambling" is very satisfying to us, but will it be in danger when the market is fully regulated?

Your thoughts please.

Big concerns to majority of online gamblers is when the day comes that majority of online gambling sites are regulated and ask for KYC, but there will always anonymous gambling sites and they will fight for their rules not to implement KYC, because this is one of the thing that attract gamblers anonymity and no KYC.

[leea-1334]

The answer is always yes,,, but it depends on the operators. Some guys do want to make a name for themselves and so they get a licensed business and then you have no choice but to comply with regulations. Other operators I see in this space still want to be anonymous yet they require kyc from users so I do not get that.

There is always a route to anonymity. It is whether we as gamblers demand it and if they as operators are willing to provide that protection.

[barbara44]

This is an excellent thread and the point you raised is truly brilliant!

The crypto gambling industry is blooming only because gamblers do not have to pay any taxes or don't have to even inform who they are despite winning any amount of money. I saw a few weeks or like a month ago there was a guy at stake named TheFinalizer and he won like 100 bitcoins or so. Now just imagine the same happening in a fiat casino and you would had to pay taxes and various other formalities. I am not accusing him that he is not paying the taxes but he is not liable to pay taxes and no one even knows who just won so much money.

Now talking about the long term, as bitcoins are getting more and more standard, I mean more industries are accepting it, surely with standardization will come legalization and very soon we might see the crypto casinos operating like the real fiat casinos and we would be asked to provide KYC.

[ampere]

I think anonymity in gambling is simply to some extent; for example, if you stick to gambling on bitcoin or crypto currency supported platforms; then you can remain anonymous as much as you want to be. But if you use an online gambling section where your inputs and outputs are in your local currency; anonymity is limited because if you are opportuned to earn huge millions; you would need to walk in to the head office for wirhdrawal. One thing comes to mind; is there anything secrecy about gambling ? that we have to worry about being anonymous.

[Maslate]

Here's some good read relating to crypto casinos and blockchian gaming.

BLOCKCHAIN GAMING DESERVES REGULATION CLARITY

Some does not want regulation but business operators wants regulation as it will give them security in the long run.

This explains a lot, the operators wants them to be regulated so they can operate with certainly and I'm sure they are already aware things that would change when they are already regulated.

It means they have to comply and if the government says everyone should follow the KYC for AMLA, then they should comply, or else they will lose the privilege to operate with a license.  I hope this casinos now is not something we will hate in the future due to regulation as it's already predicted, when the crypto industry will grow,  the govern will aim to have a cut for the revenue its making.

That's probably the scenario as we are all aware that our government is so strict when it comes to KYC compliance for financial transactions.
To my knowledge, there's no bank, exchanges, and even remittance centers that would allow you to transact with them anonymously, that's because they are regulated, they have their license from the government that would regulate them, same with cryto casinos so probably the same treatment as well.

[mu_enrico]

Well what about smart contract platforms like Degens where the bets are made directly with the blockchain? Is KYC legally required? It's a grey area when it comes to decentralized applications.

There will be anon sites even if KYC is mandatory, but like I said, even if the anon sites manage to function properly, what kind of games can be put in a smart-contract? Probably it's like EOS/TRON-based casinos at best. No music, no animation; it's like playing ATARI (if someone here still remembers) when the mainstream can enjoy Playstation 5. Sad...

[hulla]

After reading some posts on this thread i saw some people who yet to understand that the reason KYC was implemented by most crypto egambling site is the stance of the governments of the country where they operated in against crypto but the duties of gambling license master holders is to regulate and issue license to egambling company.
We have a case where some government have their own master license holder company but anonymity is always excluded but egambling that got their license from KYC free master license holder or country but request for KYC does that for their own security purpose.

Back the OP question, yes we can still enjoy anonymity in gambling but gamblers need to read the terms and conditions of gambling sites before using it.

[smyslov]

Anonymity is no longer valid when the average gambling site asks email to register IMO...
In my experience, almost all gambling sites ask for email for registrants so that when you forget the password the account can be recovered but indirectly it makes your anonymity disappear, your email makes your identity open.

You can create a new email specifically for a gambling site that you want to play, email providers are not asking KYC so I don't see any reason why giving your email will expose your identity, when you can create a pseudonym when creating an email, ans there are email that you can subscribe that can protect your identity, so no issue at all.

[bitcoinst]

Worst of all, when a casino without warning introduces an identification procedure and thereby forces users to disclose their data only in order to withdraw funds.
This is a tricky move that platforms that have financial difficulties often use.

That's called cheating I guess, unless it's written in the TOS, we can't complain on that.

All structures of this kind leave loopholes in agreements, as a rule, this is a disclaimer in case of unforeseen circumstances and force majeure. In addition, even if this is a hoax, there will be no one to complain, because the casino area is unregulated. This is about the same as with crypto exchanges, only worse. In the case of exchanges, you can often find their owners and put them in jail or try to return funds.

[justdimin]

I am pessimistic that we can continue playing anonymous in gambling, because the number of gambling sites without KYC is decreasing.
The reason is to get the legality of online gambling must follow government regulations which must enforce KYC. Therefore many online
gambling is now illegal, and now many people are victims of fraud from illegal online gambling. Therefore there is a possibility that
all gambling will apply KYC for the security of its users, and if that happens anonymity in gambling is already don't exist anymore.

That might be true but if anonymity is sucked out of the crypto gambling industry than it would be pretty useless.
There are mainly 2 reason why I believe crypto casinos are as popular that are as follows:
1- Anonymity
2- Provably Fair games

Now you remove the biggest pillar that is anonymity than there is nothing unique left about gambling and people would rather prefer to bet with bet365 than a crypto casino, I am being harsh but honest.

People who gamble legally are usually the ones who gamble on williamhill, bet365 and similar websites while certain countries that prohibit gambling, users from those countries have found a new lifeline into gambling with bitcoins and crypto.

[TrevorS]

I think anonymity in gambling is simply to some extent; for example, if you stick to gambling on bitcoin or crypto currency supported platforms; then you can remain anonymous as much as you want to be. But if you use an online gambling section where your inputs and outputs are in your local currency; anonymity is limited because if you are opportuned to earn huge millions; you would need to walk in to the head office for wirhdrawal. One thing comes to mind; is there anything secrecy about gambling ? that we have to worry about being anonymous.

What kind of secret do you mean?
If you win millions, it is obvious that you should worry about your anonymity even if your money is clean.
It is not known who is the creator of most online casinos; there is also no regulation in them, which means that in the event of a database drain, there will be no one to complain about.
It is known that even Facebook collects statistics on users and sells it to corporations. Imagine how many statistics of users of online casinos. Based on these metrics, high-class online casinos are created.

[matchi2011]

I think anonymity in gambling is simply to some extent; for example, if you stick to gambling on bitcoin or crypto currency supported platforms; then you can remain anonymous as much as you want to be. But if you use an online gambling section where your inputs and outputs are in your local currency; anonymity is limited because if you are opportuned to earn huge millions; you would need to walk in to the head office for wirhdrawal. One thing comes to mind; is there anything secrecy about gambling ? that we have to worry about being anonymous.

There are also crypto gambling sites who are now asking for KYC, mostly once you win a huge amount of money.
Crypto casino sites are also requiring gamblers to provide KYC info before allowing to withdraw huge amount of
winnings, it's not just the fiat based casinos but also happening inside crypto businesses.

[electronicash]

If the market is fully regulated then I think this industry might fall, because so far online gambling is very supportive about anonymous and at least that is the reason why traditional gamblers turn to online gambling at least to be able to take advantage of the features of anonymity itself. But I personally believe online gambling will have a long time to remain anonymous, because even online gambling itself continues to grow from time to time despite opposition from other parties or even from the government itself.

its a money making business i don't think all of them will ask kyc because it will definitely scare away the guys who kept their names known to anyone. its why they are here in cryptocurrency so they can have privacy. if the crypto casinos are all going to be regulated that they mandate us to submit docs for withdrawing 0.1 BTC, gamblers will look for other dapps that don't asks for kyc. they'd feel it when a sudden decline of number of deposits to them.

[travwill]

If the market is fully regulated then I think this industry might fall, because so far online gambling is very supportive about anonymous and at least that is the reason why traditional gamblers turn to online gambling at least to be able to take advantage of the features of anonymity itself. But I personally believe online gambling will have a long time to remain anonymous, because even online gambling itself continues to grow from time to time despite opposition from other parties or even from the government itself.

Not necessary. Poker and poker rooms have long been adjustable because they use fiat funds, however, this does not scare away the players and they go through the identification process without problems to play it.
Most likely, the market will undergo a restructuring, and instead of dozens of casinos we will see only a few but large ones.

[maydna]

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That's the kind of liberty we are currently enjoying now, we have an email, and we are good to gamble, it's very simple and it seems like there is no security in our part as the only thing that binds is just an email address, if we are gambling like thousands of dollars, I think that is too risky.

But why people are still risking even with that reality?

it's because they know that the site itself can't risk their reputation as they will lose a lot of money.
In the forum alone, we can see a lot of gambling sites already having a scam accusation and slowly they loss their reputation.

People always want to make more money, and that is why they still risking their money to get more money by playing gambling. They know about the risk, but they don't mind spending more money. It is natural because we are not satisfied with what we already got, so we still do again and again.

The websites themselves always try to protect their members from any bad thing that can happen. They will not let their reputation ruined because a little problem because that can make their members leave them. But yes, many gambling sites already scam people and run their money, and that makes the members sad.