Bitcasino.io 171btc winner discussion

[suchmoon]

I'm confused why some people will Merit yahoo's inaccurate OP, but not Merit Bitcasino.io's accurate reply that already has 75 Merit

Merit shouldn't be interpreted as an indication of accuracy. And Bitcasino's reply is quite questionable in some parts, for example it seems to imply that they knowingly let people play a glitchy game until someone won big. Or perhaps it's just hubris making it sound that way... "we know everything and we have everything under control" sounds better than "some kid nearly fucked us to the tune of 171 BTC".

Anyway, yahoo made the post based in information available to him at the time and while it would be nice if he could amend it with the new information, I don't think he had any ill intent.

[Kakmakr]

I made some predictions on that thread and one of them was spot on. 2. They came back, saying he cheated.    ((This is where every situation like this gets tricky, because the casino can basically make any claim and you just have to believe it))

I had a situation like this with my Bank a few years ago... Someone stole money out of my Bank account and I reported it. They did some forensics and found out that it was a inside job. They settled with me, and made me sign a non-disclosure agreement that I will not publish anything about this or reveal to anyone what happened. (Their lawyers are pretty powerful)

I smell something fishy about this whole thing, but it is what it is... and I guess we will never know the truth now. I hope the gambler will one day come forward to reveal the truth or someone (whistle-blower) will come forward with what really happened.

This will never happen with regulated Brick n Mortar casinos... I know.. because I have cashed out lots of large wins at these establishments without any trouble.    

It is a pity because Bitcasino.io is one of my favorite online casinos. 

[TwitchySeal]

Check out this guys post history ^^^ https://archive.is/ThlMB

LAngel = Forgotoldaccount ?

Looks like he ‘won’ 36 btc at FortuneJack?

Yeah, I don't really see the link. I think you're searching down the wrong alley here, honestly. Especially since the user is disparaging LAngel, rather than doing anything that is in support of his claims. Apart from the whole "10000x" comment, which I think most skeptical gamblers would agree with...

After all, I'm quite cynical when it comes to casinos and their ToS.

Most posts are about withdrawing large amounts of money from casinos, dealing with and/or getting around having to show KYC dox, and requesting a script for "website deposit/withdrawal of btc / or gambling script" (high budget).

Then he post's very specific information on who he "thinks" LAngel is... seems fishy at least.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I made some predictions on that thread and one of them was spot on. 2. They came back, saying he cheated.    ((This is where every situation like this gets tricky, because the casino can basically make any claim and you just have to believe it))

I doubt Bitcasino.is is hiding anything. They have proven them in several occasions. Anyone can play in their site without doubting. This was an interesting incident to experience 🤪

Anyway, yahoo made the post based in information available to him at the time and while it would be nice if he could amend it with the new information, I don't think he had any ill intent.

It was very important to discuss about it although now it's not relevant anymore.

I believe the user was just manipulating web socket.

Very possible but interesting was to see the response from the customer support about playing with real money LOL

[kolloh]

How was the game exploited? Are GameArt's slots insecure or was it due to the particular implementation of the slot?

If GameArt's slots are insecure, why haven't they released a statement regarding this? GameArt slots are quite popular across a lot of different sites so I find it hard to believe their slots had an issue like this.

[ene1980]

no but seriously, the sooner bitcoin goes to zero the better.
back to regulated, fiat goverment approved gambling please, none of these gangsta outfits

Yeah good try, yesterday i was amazed by the way in which you were lucky and today the truth just hit you bad and proved that you were a phoney going around different casino to rip them off rather than doing something useful with the skills you possess, why is a hard on for the fiat system and you might have gamed fiat casino and was able to withdraw without any evidence trail and with bitcoin you cannot and hence you are pissed .

[Boris007]

How was the game exploited? Are GameArt's slots insecure or was it due to the particular implementation of the slot?

If GameArt's slots are insecure, why haven't they released a statement regarding this? GameArt slots are quite popular across a lot of different sites so I find it hard to believe their slots had an issue like this.

As far as i have seen sportsbet.io and stake.com uses combination websocket and graphQL in their site.

You wont imagine how many times the websocket interacts with UI for fetching the latest value.

For an instance : if you place a bet over sportsbet.io (live sports)
The server and client communicates 7 times via websocket for the latest odd and then 4 times if the odd in UI is same as provided by 3rd party client that sportsbet uses for latest odd match.

Manipulating the response for 11 times for all websocket request is really someting great.

That guy must be master of intruder. I wonder if he would had just submitted a bug report then he would surely got 20k usd plus.

Edit: one of sports betting site I talked uses https://www.sportradar.com/ as input in websocket for odds.

Btw, I am learning GraphQl these days : https://sportsbet.io/graphql?query={somequeryhere}

Sooner or later REST will be replaced by GraphQl.

[Josefjix]

no but seriously, the sooner bitcoin goes to zero the better.
back to regulated, fiat goverment approved gambling please, none of these gangsta outfits

In comes the indignant attitude: what a surprise. I guess when you don't get your way, the only thing left to do is to rage on the internet for no reason and waste both your time and the time of others. After all, since you're clearly not doing anything productive with your time, why should anybody else?

By all means, spout some bullshit about how "fiat government approved gambling" is better. Hint hint: they're all shitty.

He had better be traced made to face the wrath of the law like his cohorts are been sentenced on a daily basis. If proper care isn't taken, the Casino company could have gone bankrupt because of a jobless scammer. Hiding behind "Blockchain" pseudonym. I can only wish he is been apprehended.

[RapTarX]

if proper care isn't taken, the Casino company could have gone bankrupt because of a jobless scammer.

It's not that big amount provided that Bitcasino is here for long time and made huge profit. For your info, Bitcasino has another sports betting site; sportsbet.io which is the main club partner of Watford. Hence, the amount we are talking about isn't that big deal for such a company.
Well, with such abuse, it's easy to bankrupt a gambling site.

[marlboroza]

manipulating and exploiting games[...]
LAngel’s winnings
are not legitimate and are a result of fraudulently manipulating GameArt’s Dawn of Olympus[...]

You don't have someone to test games or something?

You said games and you mentioned one game. Ok. How did he exploit and manipulate that game and what other games are you talking about? I will leave negative here for now, unless bitcasino wants to explain what exactly happened here.

[LoyceV]

I will leave negative here for now

Since you're Reference Comment says "Open scam accusation.": did you read this? He's removed the post, but I quoted it.

[marlboroza]

I will leave negative here for now

Since you're Reference Comment says "Open scam accusation.": did you read this? He's removed the post, but I quoted it.

It says:

it was a legitimate hit. a totally legitimate, non tampered, not cheated, win.
but granted i cheated in the past, but thats not relevant.

He said this time it was legitimate win and he also said he cheated in past. So they didn't took his wins because he cheated in past, it happened because they claim he cheated now although he said he didn't do it...

I would still like to hear explanation from bitcasino. I always wonder how someone cheat on slots.

[Upgrade00]

I would also want to know how exactly the game was cheated by @LAngel, granted the user has admitted to having cheated before and this has been proven by the evidence of the Bitcoin transaction history. And taking this part of their ToS, they reserve the right to limit future accounts;

2.1.17. You have only one account with us and agree to not to open any more accounts with us

But if such flaw is exploited again without any traceable evidence on the blockchain, bitcoincasino would have a lot to do to prove it to be illegitimate. And sharing the method used would technically expose them to that exact situation, so they would likely not till the flaw is fixed.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

@marlboroza

• Guy already admitted to cheating
  Here is the Bitcasino explanation @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.msg54754514#msg54754514
• Good post on how you possibly cheat slots @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.msg54756005#msg54756005

• Read his last post, ask yourself if you believe him @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.msg54755574#msg54755574

[DoublerHunter]

no but seriously, the sooner bitcoin goes to zero the better.
back to regulated, fiat goverment approved gambling please, none of these gangsta outfits

^ I admired you most because of what you have been won of that such a big amount and amazed of your extraordinary luck but it ended up lying and nothing truth with your fake video. You lied to the people here in the community just for your own beneficial interest in Bitcasino. I thought you have a strategy but all in all that was a dirty game you had shared on this community and you fooled us. I am totally disappointed with this kind of gambler and a real toxic in all gambling companies. Nevertheless, you have been tagged and you deserved that.

[mu_enrico]

If GameArt's slots are insecure, why haven't they released a statement regarding this? GameArt slots are quite popular across a lot of different sites so I find it hard to believe their slots had an issue like this.

"No system is 100% secure," I think I've read this on someone's personal text.
That's why game providers can disqualify bets based on their ToS.

However, the provider such as GameArt can disqualify your bet if they see it because of malfunction and stuff.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260506.msg54747214#msg54747214

Slots malfunction isn't something new whether it's intentional (because of hacking) or not.

Nevertheless, this guy is soo skillful, I wonder if he managed to hack NetEnt, Pragmatic, etc.

[marlboroza]

@marlboroza

• Guy already admitted to cheating
  Here is the Bitcasino explanation @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.msg54754514#msg54754514

OK. As you can see from LoyceV's post, he admited cheating in past, not related to recent events.

How did he exploit and manipulate that game and what other games are you talking about?

• Good post on how you possibly cheat slots @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.msg54756005#msg54756005

Ok. tell me like I don't know shit, how this guy cheated slot machine?

• Read his last post, ask yourself if you believe him @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.msg54755574#msg54755574

I have read it and...

no but seriously, the sooner bitcoin goes to zero the better.
back to regulated, fiat goverment approved gambling please, none of these gangsta outfits

What this has to do with anything?
Just tell me how this guy cheated slot...

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Surely you're not gonna believe someone who is a known hacker in the community and has admitted to cheating?
Really?

I’m unsure how he cheated the slot machine?
He's a hacker; it's what they do. I'm not a hacker so I can't explain the technicalities.

The fact he’s deleted his video & made up some bull shit story about getting paid out proves his guilt.

He didn’t win 171 bitcoin fairly.

You seem to be the only poster who thinks Bitcasino is at fault here?

[Hhampuz]

Well handled bitcasino! Fuck cheaters.

[suchmoon]

Ok. tell me like I don't know shit, how this guy cheated slot machine?

If the issue still exists (seems like it does) they should first shut the game or all affected games down and fix it. Otherwise the alleged hacker can come back with more convincing KYC and perhaps a smaller less suspicious win, or publish the exploit, or do something else that's not very pleasant. Publishing an explanation is a bit tricky - might disclose more about their backend than they would want the public to know.