Newbies are free to choose the journey they will go

[taufik123]

For sure this kind of decision was only common when there are a lot already using bitcointalk to some campaign of cryptocurrency projects like altcoins who starting their ICO in this forum, but for sure way back 2010 - 2015 maybe, those time is only for Bitcoin knowledge that wants a newbie need, since way back being a bounty hunter is still not so popular.

2010-2015 might be the year where beginners look for knowledge about cryptocurrency in this forum and bounty campaigns are still not very popular.
But in 2016-2017 which was the year I first entered the world of cryptocurrency, I found that year was where the bounty and airdrop campaigns were very popular. Most projects in that year were successful and achieved maximum results. I also get the maximum income for the year.

But stepping again in 2018 until now, the bounty campaign seems to be no longer in demand anymore because many scammers are trying to deceive bounty hunters and members here. False ICOs and IEOs are increasingly numerous and cannot be controlled. This makes the scammers in this forum more and more beginners who end up inactive, because there is no definite source of income in this forum.
Those who are not active cannot compete and develop into members who is more productive and unable to rank.

[kawetsriyanto]

As a newbies, you have to choose the journey you want to go:
- Bounty hunters
- Spammers
- Scammers
- Good members.

In my opinion, basically the choices are only 2 options:
- Good members.
- Bad members.

You are good members if then you become good posters, help others, bring valuable things to the forum, or contribute other positive things. While you are bad members if then you become scammers, spammers, fraudsters, break forum rules, or other negative things. Regarding bounty hunters, it can be good or bad, depends on how you work on it. If you become bounty hunters and then it triggers you to spam the forum, you are classified as a bad member. But if you keep quality posts even if you are following a bounty, then you are still a good member. Well, it is also the same cases for being bounty managers, escrow providers, community managers, or other jobs in the forum. It depends on you to make it be a good one or a bad one.

[Rosilito]

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You shouldn't encourage newbies to earn merit via creating educational topic posts, because they are newbies, they will often fail to do so properly and will only introduce misconceptions.

Agree with this, they should be a reader of this topic first, not as a topic creator, cause they aren't really getting those educational post from themselves, maybe they will get it from an article, some tend to plagiarize just to create a certain post because in the first place they aren't really fully understand the topic they are creating. It may be true that they may learn from reading it but what if not. Its best to read first and acquire knowledge, when you have it then you can easily contribute to topics with quality post. And everything will follow. Forum members will see it through your post if you really know what you are talking about or you are just creating it because you are expecting something.

No he didn't. And I don't see any encouragement. Either way, it is still up for newbies if they'll forced themselves but I knew they would not assuming that they are the good members as mentioned  .

No. I don't encourage anyone. If you check my threads, some of them are simply questions when I needed help for my needs. Some questions are truly come from newbies. Anyhow, you nailed a point that newbies don't need to replicate anyone else. Just choose the things they like, have interests in and keep up their good works on such.

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But stepping again in 2018 until now, the bounty campaign seems to be no longer in demand anymore because many scammers are trying to deceive bounty hunters and members here. False ICOs and IEOs are increasingly numerous and cannot be controlled. This makes the scammers in this forum more and more beginners who end up inactive, because there is no definite source of income in this forum.
Those who are not active cannot compete and develop into members who is more productive and unable to rank.

Then they really are not into learning, after all. Obviously, if they cannot get or earn something worthy of their time and effort they will vanish. Probably, those people behind are roaming around the internet searching for something that they can juice out again. Such a waste, if they just instead used their effort and excessive time on a meaningful manner, they could achieve much amazing feats better than they usually do  .

[Kakmakr]

I think you have it all wrong, you do not have to pick a role for your membership on this forum, just be yourself. Remember this forum was created to answer people's questions about Bitcoin and also to stimulate discussions about Bitcoin and to brainstorm ideas that would improve it.

People come to this forum for different reasons, but the main goal should be to join here to gain knowledge about Bitcoin and also to share that knowledge with other members. Forget about all the role-playing games and just contribute constructively. 

[nakamura12]

One of the reason why newbies do those kind of things such as spamming, bounty hunters is because those who introduce about the crypto and the forum is not about the right introduction instead they are taught about how to earn money and made them think that this forum is good place to earn money as their main source of income which is not.

[GreatArkansas]

One of the reason why newbies do those kind of things such as spamming, bounty hunters is because those who introduce about the crypto and the forum is not about the right introduction instead they are taught about how to earn money and made them think that this forum is good place to earn money as their main source of income which is not.

This is also what I heard in some people about Bitcointalk before.
But here is one guy who told me before when I was started to introduced in Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies that I should create my account here because this forum could help me to learn more about Bitcoin. But still, since I heard about some bounty campaigns here, I also think and tried those, but still, I still learning different things here in the forum.

[taufik123]

Then they really are not into learning, after all. Obviously, if they cannot get or earn something worthy of their time and effort they will vanish. Probably, those people behind are roaming around the internet searching for something that they can juice out again. Such a waste, if they just instead used their effort and excessive time on a meaningful manner, they could achieve much amazing feats better than they usually do  .

There are only a few beginners who strive to learn to achieve good performance in the forum. So they can survive and can be good and useful members of this forum. Not just to find something they can juice again. They use the time in this forum well and contribute.

We as members who are already far above must support beginners with such thoughts, thoughts that want to advance and continue to be useful for this forum. providing some merit for quality posts will make them more enthusiastic.

[Daniel91]

Then they really are not into learning, after all. Obviously, if they cannot get or earn something worthy of their time and effort they will vanish. Probably, those people behind are roaming around the internet searching for something that they can juice out again. Such a waste, if they just instead used their effort and excessive time on a meaningful manner, they could achieve much amazing feats better than they usually do  .

There are only a few beginners who strive to learn to achieve good performance in the forum. So they can survive and can be good and useful members of this forum. Not just to find something they can juice again. They use the time in this forum well and contribute.

We as members who are already far above must support beginners with such thoughts, thoughts that want to advance and continue to be useful for this forum. providing some merit for quality posts will make them more enthusiastic.

Beginners have different motivation to join this forum.
If they join this forum in order to learn more about btc,  technology etc. than I think others will be happy to support them with answers,  advices, merits...
It's obvious that many new members join this forum with only one motivation,  to earn some btc.
Of course that such new members can't expect support and help from other members.
We freely choose our way.

[Subbir]

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[taufik123]

Beginners have different motivation to join this forum.
If they join this forum in order to learn more about btc,  technology etc. than I think others will be happy to support them with answers,  advices, merits...
It's obvious that many new members join this forum with only one motivation,  to earn some btc.
Of course that such new members can't expect support and help from other members.
We freely choose our way.

yes you are right, in this forum we are free to choose our own path. I also do not want to be hypocritical about the initial reason to join this forum because I want to get BTC and money from BTC sales obtained from various campaigns and airdrops. what I mean by members who deserve help is qualified beginner members and not concerned with how to get a lot of btc, but they also have a good contribution in this forum. The initial motivation of beginners who just want to get BTC is a general motivation that will occur to some or most beginners, it's still very reasonable.

[gentlemand]

I can't say I blame newcomers who turn up and instantly start raping this place. It takes time to figure out that many people care about it and get proper narked at those who don't. To a new arrival it's just another stop on the internet with some potential for mad gainz, most of which are gone now, for now at least.

When you take the time to digest what's here then it becomes a tad more nuanced. There's something more honest about someone who over time went from a shitposter to a valued member than some obsequious creep who instantly courts their audience.

[BITCOIN4X]

I can't say I blame newcomers who turn up and instantly start raping this place. It takes time to figure out that many people care about it and get proper narked at those who don't. To a new arrival it's just another stop on the internet with some potential for mad gainz, most of which are gone now, for now at least.

When you take the time to digest what's here then it becomes a tad more nuanced. There's something more honest about someone who over time went from a shitposter to a valued member than some obsequious creep who instantly courts their audience.

It is very appropriate that those who are beginner are those who are very confused to start something right without making mistakes. Generally they will be very confused when they first get to know the forum and usually their first post here is a question.

When I was a beginner, I didnt even know what to do here before I got direction from other member. I began to ask them what to do. It is impossible for a beginner to be people who have a very good understanding of the rules and procedures of the forum correctly and if there are, I think they are not true beginner and they are someone alt.

Beginner should be welcomed here because they are the smallest part of the forum looking for an identity. As you said, spending a little time in the forum to learn and gain knowledge will give a different feel to anyone. I even felt that my forum trip ended when my ranking dropped to a beginner after the implementation of the merit system. But the awareness of the ability to rise has brought me here.

[KrisAlex18]

That's true, we are only responsible for ourselves, whatever we want to be, we will be as long as we really want it or we put effort to achieve it. If you want to be scammers, which is a bad thing for you, then you can be, you are only showing that you cannot do something to earn money, you are only relying on other people, you are doing bad things just to make money, do you think that it is worth it? Do you make money from other people?

If you want to be a good bitcoin, you should be hardworking and always keep learning, you may do a reading which is what I always do to learn new things, just read on some legit websites, article or even in this forum, it is really helpful of gaining good knowledge.

[Daniel91]

Beginners have different motivation to join this forum.
If they join this forum in order to learn more about btc,  technology etc. than I think others will be happy to support them with answers,  advices, merits...
It's obvious that many new members join this forum with only one motivation,  to earn some btc.
Of course that such new members can't expect support and help from other members.
We freely choose our way.

yes you are right, in this forum we are free to choose our own path. I also do not want to be hypocritical about the initial reason to join this forum because I want to get BTC and money from BTC sales obtained from various campaigns and airdrops. what I mean by members who deserve help is qualified beginner members and not concerned with how to get a lot of btc, but they also have a good contribution in this forum. The initial motivation of beginners who just want to get BTC is a general motivation that will occur to some or most beginners, it's still very reasonable.

Of course there is nothing wrong with wanting to earn some bitcoin.
The most important thing is actually the approach and attitude.
I will always be happy to help new members when I see that they have a sincere desire to learn something and if they don't spam the forum, even if their main motivation for registering on this forum is actually earning bitcoin.
But if new members don’t read the rules and spam other members, for personal gain, then that’s not acceptable and I won’t support that.

[gentlemand]

It is very appropriate that those who are beginner are those who are very confused to start something right without making mistakes. Generally they will be very confused when they first get to know the forum and usually their first post here is a question.

When I was a beginner, I didnt even know what to do here before I got direction from other member. I began to ask them what to do. It is impossible for a beginner to be people who have a very good understanding of the rules and procedures of the forum correctly and if there are, I think they are not true beginner and they are someone alt.

If you asked me what the rules are I'm pretty sure I couldn't quote you a single one. Over time enough etiquette has sunk in and the others I've seen mentioned seem like common sense more than anything.

When I first arrived here this forum had newbie jail which meant you were restricted to post only in one section for newbies only. You had to do a certain numbers of posts over a certain period of time to get out of it.

The management seems verry resistent to reinstating that but it might be helpful to the state of the forum and those who can bothered to stick around long enough to get out of it.

[BITCOIN4X]

If you asked me what the rules are I'm pretty sure I couldn't quote you a single one. Over time enough etiquette has sunk in and the others I've seen mentioned seem like common sense more than anything.

When I first arrived here this forum had newbie jail which meant you were restricted to post only in one section for newbies only. You had to do a certain numbers of posts over a certain period of time to get out of it.

The management seems verry resistent to reinstating that but it might be helpful to the state of the forum and those who can bothered to stick around long enough to get out of it.

Of course, I am sure everything will be fine when we want to focus on studying it seriously. We all have to learn something gradually and this is the beginner to grow into a good user in the forum. Strongly agree with your statement, when we want to try to spend a little time here then there will be a different feeling.

Being a beginner today may be very different from the beginner of your day. The merit system currently in place in the forum has forced them to do their best to post quality thing. Without quality posts they will never be able to move up the rankings and they will get many restrictions as a consequence.

Fortunately at this time beginner will never find it difficult to get merit if they want to because the forum never lack knowledge and direction from contributors that will help them grow. Its just that everything depends on themselves. I want to grow because I want to do it, and so do they. If they want then everything might come true.

[Assface16678]

Some of the newbies right now are having a struggle which field they want to make more exist because not all the time we are gifted once that has all the talent and have good and great skills in the particular field

For example a gambler and want to share their knowledge of gambling and want to learn more but they see some merit came from the other member which is mostly getting to the trading discussion some of them want to push their selves just to learn to trade and want to earn merits for example. It is better to focus on the thing you are good with because soon the time wi shine to you not right now but soon.

[AakZaki]

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I think if they can make these two things balanced then there wont be a problem to solve. Getting income from promoting sites on the "signature campaign" forum can also be categorized as a form of bonus for those who contribute. But in reality we can see that there are very many bounty participant who are signature spammer on various board and that is totally useless for forum and users. There is a wrong perception about them and that must be able to change and start learning to be a good user.

Doing both things in a balanced way will be very difficult to do when their position is still a beginner and do not know what the function of this forum really is. What they know is that this forum is a place to make money by collecting bitcoin and following bounty and airdrop campaigns. Signature spammers are not beginners. They have many accounts whose purpose is indeed to get a lot of income using multiple accounts and that they have set. A beginner should know what they want to do in this forum. As members who have been around for a long time in this forum, we must tell them that being a good member is more profitable, but it requires patience to build an account from the beginning.

[Charles-Tim]

A beginner should know what they want to do in this forum. As members who have been around for a long time in this forum, we must tell them that being a good member is more profitable, but it requires patience to build an account from the beginning.

This is not wrong but not only to be patient but patient is one of the keys to be one of the good members of the forum, you have worked hard (diligence) and also optimistic, these should be included too, these qualities are what most members should acquire.

New members like creating posts like, how to make money from the forum, how to rank up, how to earn merits, they do not care about asking how to make quality and authentic posts, that is why it is not surprising that they could not able to rank up.

[Onuohakk]

Majority that spam in this forum are mostly newbies and few of the junior members. Due to the high rate of spamming from newbies and junior members, a good number of bounty project no longer accept them to join their signature campaign. The only accept the high ranked members.
Spamming in this forum is just a waste of time and energy, hard work and patience do pay