Where will we stand at the end of pandemic?

[sujonali1819]

I am agreed with  OgNasty that bitcoin will be held with stronger hand at the end of the pandemic. And the crypto market makes a huge gain. though the world condition is still pandemic, people have learned to take it as normal. also market is holding it position strongly over 9k$. when the pandemic will end trader/investors will be relaxed and start their journey by investing again. 

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[harizen]

If the situation worsens do you think we will get more investment from newbies who might by switching from their traditional investment to a crypto as none of the businesses are going to prosper during this situation so there are chances we will get more investment into crypto or else there are possibilities of massive cashout if crypto decline as the existing players would switch to gold atleast to keep their investment intact.

Actually, we already have seen the worst*. The fact that some businesses are slowly getting back in shape, we can see that the world is now rising again. There are countries that already declared COVID-free and some have successfully managed to decrease the numbers of confirmed cases.

But for let's say, things have gotten more worst, I don't see that most newbies will switch into crypto as they aren't into the purpose of holding it. Quick money is necessary during the pandemic (different situation per country).

I advise not to think too much. Bitcoin is already tested in the worst times. The pandemic will surely end and everything will get back on track.

[STT]

And as we know, when it comes to economic matters, when America sneezes the world catches a cold. I would expect fear to spread to emerging markets, crude oil, export-heavy countries, China, etc.

I'm more concerned with Asia and development of the treatment overall.   Its a shame USA has failed to contain the spread and its only going to stop with a vaccine I guess though using distance to separate people should be possible in a large country I guess there is too much population density in cities so its spreading way past r factor of 1.
  The reason asia or any export surplus based economy would be a greater concern is in terms of base line production and capacity and thats where it really matters most, the idea of consumption being more important is a fallacy I think.    Its tied to dollar reserve and how demand is represented globally in that unit but trade should continue to be possible long term.   We might transition away from dollar, Im just a little guy and its a big concept to observe but the basic idea is goods matter not FIAT or promissory notes.
   Short term we get a fallback in speculation because markets are leveraged by the dollar effect and it would be seen as lower demand and yea I guess thats fear but the reality for me is demand comes from trade between producers who create value in order to consume each other products.   That is the principle of comparative advantage hundreds of years old as a theory and hopefully proven by now in modern economic success by the exchange of goods globally.   The debt backing dollar and other ideas are a weaker path we've taken imo, I guess saying that is political but I only care about capitalism allowing the best economy really.   Reading through the explanation of comparative advantage I think its possible to see how we got distortion and this fear where we want constant inflation with more debt, but I dont think it can last ad infinitum.  Even bigger then the largest government actions are natural effects and all along that is what economic theory should have respected.   The pandemic is a natural phenomena as are all economies of the world because people are natural however fake various prices and fixed rates might be.
  Will Bitcoin be effected by weaker dollar demand just like all the assets, commodities and markets you mention, short term yea but seems like if we are able to move onto trade of goods being a focus that Bitcoin would be part of that as its not tied to USD specifically.  

[beerlover]

There is a big difference between the economical problems that you feel, and economical index of countries. Just to give an example, if 3 super rich people make 100 billion dollars each, that 300 billion dollars richer in economy as overall and that means financially nation will look like it is improving, while everyone else could lose 50 bucks overall and that wouldn't change anything about it.

So, as you can see everyone got poorer and only 3 people got richer but economy "looks" better. What bitcoin works is right at that moment, it works when they say "it is doing better" but it is actually not, and it works when everything is actually for real getting better. How will it be when poor people are poorer but also rich are poorer, basically everyone is poorer, I do not know.

[Onuohakk]

The pandemic has put fears into peoples mind, not to invest or to spend unnecessarily. People are now trying to make earns meet first before any other thing. Investing in bitcoin is the last thing on peoples mind as it stands now. It will be difficult for a newbie to use the money meant for his or her upkeep during this pandemic to invest in a long term investment like bitcoin, no matter how bullish bitcoin seems.

[Quidat]

I am agreed with  OgNasty that bitcoin will be held with stronger hand at the end of the pandemic. And the crypto market makes a huge gain. though the world condition is still pandemic, people have learned to take it as normal. also market is holding it position strongly over 9k$. when the pandemic will end trader/investors will be relaxed and start their journey by investing again. 

This is what we do currently seeing when in talks of market condition on where it do able to withstand or able to hold in spite of the current condition we are on.It didnt crash hard unlike on other
stocks or forex that we have seen that had been greatly affected. Profits would really be given out to those people who do held strong even upto now and to those people who do able to accumulate
when the price did go low.In terms of investment aspect then people who do see an opportunity will surely benefit out when the market tends to shift once again but for now we are on the sideways
movement and the thing we do need to do is to wait up for these global crisis to be over and start all over in terms of investment aspect.

[exstasie]

All metrics of the epidemic are threatening to exponentially increase again, so I'm concerned we'll see lockdowns in the US again, starting with economic powerhouses like California. They were the first state to lock down in March.

I'm not sure if you'd call this a full lockdown since not all non-essential businesses are being forced to close, but this doesn't bode well:

The state of California is shutting down again — a huge blow to the fragile recovery logged in recent months.

As Covid-19 cases surge, Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered the closure of all indoor restaurants, wineries, movie theaters, zoos, museums and bars. Los Angeles and San Diego said their kids would start the new school year online only.

On its own, California is the fifth largest economy in the world, according to World Bank data. That means fresh lockdown measures in the state are a huge blow to the economic outlook, both in the United States and globally.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html

Same as March, other states probably aren't far behind given the trend of the disease.

The trend of large school districts staying closed in the fall is also worrisome to me. To a degree, I think the stock market recovery has been predicated on the notion that schools will reopen next year. If they stay closed across the country, that's tens of millions of workers who have to care for their children instead of sending them to school. Collectively they will no doubt be working much less hours as a result, and that will have material effects on the expected economic recovery.

[Savemore]

If the situation worsens do you think we will get more investment from newbies who might by switching from their traditional investment to a crypto as none of the businesses are going to prosper during this situation so there are chances we will get more investment into crypto or else there are possibilities of massive cashout if crypto decline as the existing players would switch to gold atleast to keep their investment intact.

Actually, we already have seen the worst*. The fact that some businesses are slowly getting back in shape, we can see that the world is now rising again. There are countries that already declared COVID-free and some have successfully managed to decrease the numbers of confirmed cases.

But for let's say, things have gotten more worst, I don't see that most newbies will switch into crypto as they aren't into the purpose of holding it. Quick money is necessary during the pandemic (different situation per country).

I advise not to think too much. Bitcoin is already tested in the worst times. The pandemic will surely end and everything will get back on track.

I think the worst is yet to come if there will be another wave of covid-19. In my country, the pandemic is the reason why many businesses are still not open and why many people lose their regular jobs. If there will be another wave on my country, we are done because our government have now high debt and cannot give assistance anymore to its citizens that are really affected.

But the good thing is, there is now major business not only in our country but all over the world are starting to operate again. The re opening of different economies are important.

[ultrloa]

And as we know, when it comes to economic matters, when America sneezes the world catches a cold. I would expect fear to spread to emerging markets, crude oil, export-heavy countries, China, etc.

I'm more concerned with Asia and development of the treatment overall.   Its a shame USA has failed to contain the spread and its only going to stop with a vaccine I guess though using distance to separate people should be possible in a large country I guess there is too much population density in cities so its spreading way past

America failed because many people doesn't follow the protocol there are so many self entitled person who think they can't be infected nor downplaying the virus. So for this kind of attitude of american's for sure thy will fail as well on their economical status. The vaccine is the only hope by now since if the discovery will prolong we will suffer from economic disaster nor other bad effects came from it.

[Vatimins]

     Well, it clearly depends on how long this pandemic lasts or when the actual vaccine will be made and distributed all over the world. The way I see it, if this pandemic goes on any longer, I believe that people will be forced to remove investments specially those small time investors. But on the other hand, if this pandemic ends earlier, then we may see a huge pour of investments days or months after because people will be more desperate to find more ways to earn money. Even now, people all over the world are being more open minded in online businesses or any other online jobs and investments. What more when people who used to be well employed suffer? This will definitely force a lot of them to find other ways to earn while trying to find other physical jobs. That is how I think things will turn out one way or another.

[exstasie]

And as we know, when it comes to economic matters, when America sneezes the world catches a cold. I would expect fear to spread to emerging markets, crude oil, export-heavy countries, China, etc.

I'm more concerned with Asia and development of the treatment overall.  

The reason asia or any export surplus based economy would be a greater concern is in terms of base line production and capacity and thats where it really matters most, the idea of consumption being more important is a fallacy I think.

Consumption and productivity are two sides of the same coin. If US consumer spending falls, demand for Chinese (or Vietnamese, etc.) goods falls. Chinese economic output therefore falls too.

The same is true on a domestic level, with regard to service sectors. China is a largely middle class society now and consumer spending is an extremely important part of their economic output, same as the US.

Remember, in a consumer economy, one person's income is generally derived from another person's spending. If unemployment is surging and everyone on average has less disposable income, that has a compounding effect because they spend less on goods and services. That causes excess productive supply and reinforces declines in production and layoffs since there is no demand for previous levels of output. That in turn reinforces a lack of consumer spending. This is the deflationary spiral economists fear.

[Cherylstar86]

And as we know, when it comes to economic matters, when America sneezes the world catches a cold. I would expect fear to spread to emerging markets, crude oil, export-heavy countries, China, etc.

I'm more concerned with Asia and development of the treatment overall.   Its a shame USA has failed to contain the spread and its only going to stop with a vaccine I guess though using distance to separate people should be possible in a large country I guess there is too much population density in cities so its spreading way past

America failed because many people doesn't follow the protocol there are so many self entitled person who think they can't be infected nor downplaying the virus. So for this kind of attitude of american's for sure thy will fail as well on their economical status. The vaccine is the only hope by now since if the discovery will prolong we will suffer from economic disaster nor other bad effects came from it.

But how long shall we wait, since there's no specific dates to where the vaccine will be launched. Cryptocurrency and the entire economy has been suffering on this situation, the medical institutions is taking advantage towards the government budget and I think has been abused. Protocol really put everyone hardly to adopt, what I heard on most massive test has been too strict and misdiagnosed those other ilnesses even though it wasn't covid-19.

[Spaffin]

And as we know, when it comes to economic matters, when America sneezes the world catches a cold. I would expect fear to spread to emerging markets, crude oil, export-heavy countries, China, etc.

I'm more concerned with Asia and development of the treatment overall.   Its a shame USA has failed to contain the spread and its only going to stop with a vaccine I guess though using distance to separate people should be possible in a large country I guess there is too much population density in cities so its spreading way past

America failed because many people doesn't follow the protocol there are so many self entitled person who think they can't be infected nor downplaying the virus. So for this kind of attitude of american's for sure thy will fail as well on their economical status. The vaccine is the only hope by now since if the discovery will prolong we will suffer from economic disaster nor other bad effects came from it.

I would not say that America failed, because each country had its own conditions for the spread of coronavirus. We all know that America has very strong social guarantees for every person and every elderly man and woman has the opportunity to live to a ripe old age.Ah, as we all know, it is the elderly who are most susceptible to coronavirus infection. If we compare such countries as America and a certain country of the post-Soviet space, then often in the United States old people live up to 90 and 100 years, and maybe more, but in the countries of the post-Soviet space 60-70 years is the ceiling. That is why America is in such dire conditions. but if we talk for example about Russia specifically, then because of the inaction of the authorities, as well as because of attempts to reveal information about the problems, the situation was getting worse every day. In addition, the United States has much more potential and stronger resources to fight the coronavirus, and not only financially to support the economy and people, but also in strong research laboratories, compared even to the EU countries.

[Oasisman]

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But how long shall we wait, since there's no specific dates to where the vaccine will be launched. Cryptocurrency and the entire economy has been suffering on this situation, the medical institutions is taking advantage towards the government budget and I think has been abused. Protocol really put everyone hardly to adopt, what I heard on most massive test has been too strict and misdiagnosed those other ilnesses even though it wasn't covid-19.

Several labs around the world are developing vaccines already. Some are running their final clinical trials already. Try searching in Google you'll find many.
Most probably the vaccine will be available early next year.
But will absolutely take a lot of time completely eradicate this pandemic.

Cryptocurrency didn't suffered that much. If you take a look at the Bitcoin's price movement, It seems that the pandemic has no effect in crypto space, though It did affected a little but unlike the traditional market, cryptocurrency was able to recover immediately. $9,000 is still considered a high price, and It has been hovering around that region since the hard fall on March during the rise of the pandemic.

[Republikcoin.com]

to be honest, right now I'm thinking about developing a business that I can do going forward. however, nothing can change this situation besides yourself. the choice is, stay like this, or think of development. where you will stand after a pandemic is what you decide right now. Well, I'm thinking about a few things, it's just that it's a matter of limited funds, and I'm still looking for it from Crypto right now.

[Wexnident]

Wherever you place yourself at tbh. The current situation could be said to be a standby period, not just for us but also for those investors of stocks and the like. They aren't just going to switch to a speculative asset all of a sudden just because of the Covid, cause if they did, they would've already done so in the past. But they didn't, just goes to show that they don't trust crypto that much that they'd be willing to switch out. Plus, the government is pretty much trying to (at least, their showing up such fronts) make the economy live again.

Additionally, you could say that the attention being put into the pandemic has reduced dramatically now. That is unless, the second wave that most have been expecting hits harder than the first one. If so, you can naturally expect huge collapse of various markets, since with the recent breathing room we got, most businesses have expected for everything to go back at the very least, minimum working situations if not the normal ones.

[TheGreatPython]

Well, I'm thinking about a few things, it's just that it's a matter of limited funds, and I'm still looking for it from Crypto right now.

With limited funds and slow economic conditions, I too guess it would be a wise decisions if we stand still with bitcoins for the plans of re-building our financial things. I am not sure how many people will quit cryptocurrencies for its stagnate conditions along with other troubles due to pandemic, but bearing the current times will definitely will pay off like how usually bitcoin do surprises for every four years.

The current situation could be said to be a standby period, not just for us but also for those investors of stocks and the like. They aren't just going to switch to a speculative asset all of a sudden just because of the Covid, cause if they did, they would've already done so in the past.

That is true, no investor should try new things just due to the pandemic and its consequences. If you were familiar with something and getting back to that after pandemic, somehow makes sense. But, just trying all new things will again definitely worsen the situations rather than getting you any solutions for your economic problems.

I am sure I will not try any investment opportunity by the times of end of current pandemic; I will simply continue what I have been doing for years. I am sure bitcoin will get back into its ATH levels by end of this year and then I guess that will get my financial things restored.

[YOSHIE]

Kindly share your suggestions

There were things that many people thought about during the "gold investment or crypto investment" pandemic.

These two choices become alternatives which are currently focused by many groups.
OK, if you have invested a lot, in other places, besides these two elements and you have been looking for them, during the pandemic but nothing is good & suitable.
You can start from now.

[LogitechMouse]

where will we find ourself at the end of pandemic?

When the pandemic ends, people will be back to work and as people go back to work cash flow will be resumed and for sure some crypto investors who choose to just hold cash right now in the middle of the pandemic so they have money to use will think of investing into crypto again.

Right now if we will compare the different investments right now, crypto is so far the best investment this year in terms of how it went up after its huge crash. We saw BTC at march at 8-9k then falling to near the 4k area then months after it went back again and moving sideways as of this moment.

Those crypto holders and those who have extra cash to invest right now are the ones who will prosper in mid to long term. This is not a certainty though but there is a high chance that Bitcoin will go higher after pandemic.

[Taskford]

where will we find ourself at the end of pandemic?

When the pandemic ends, people will be back to work and as people go back to work cash flow will be resumed and for sure some crypto investors who choose to just hold cash right now in the middle of the pandemic so they have money to use will think of investing into crypto again.

Normal life cycle happening when pandemic ends but the question when? many things happening and for having a long month of for sure many people are struggling right now maybe they will look for investment but not going on huge risk since many people are still recovering from financial loss when pandemic strikes. But provably the investment on crypto will slowly rise when majority is in good financial state.