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July 12, 2020, 09:12:36 PM
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A cool project was posted in /r/bitcoin today: https://github.com/lacksfish/insure-gui (original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/hpyfjt/ive_built_a_tool_making_it_easy_to_inherit/)

It's an easy way to create a sweeping transaction from a Ledger device that is only valid no sooner than one year from the moment of creation (user can set this parameter). The application then creates a pdf which you can email to your heir.

The main disadvantage is that you have to move the funds to another address of yours to invalidate that sweeping transaction. Any similar projects like this existed before? Thoughts?
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July 12, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
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You will need to create/sign a new transaction every time you spend any of your coin. If you don't, your heirs will be unable to access your coin if you die unexpectedly, unless you have made alternate arrangements to allow your heirs access to your private keys.
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July 12, 2020, 10:16:02 PM
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true, but if you are making a 'will' and have the coins in cold storage it's highly likely that you won't spend them.
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July 12, 2020, 10:26:00 PM
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true, but if you are making a 'will' and have the coins in cold storage it's highly likely that you won't spend them.
Everyone needs to spend money to pay for their basic necessities, at a minimum. Those that are most likely to die, those in retirement, will need to spend down the money they intend to pass on to their heirs.
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July 12, 2020, 11:10:24 PM
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What alternative do you propose? Leave the private key encrypted with the heir PGP private key somewhere in the house, to be found when you die?
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July 12, 2020, 11:39:23 PM
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What alternative do you propose? Leave the private key encrypted with the heir PGP private key somewhere in the house, to be found when you die?
It is very difficult to leave coin to multiple heirs without relying on some kind of trust of someone.

For many people, you should have a single seed that can derive all your private keys that can spend all your coin. You should have your seed stored in a location (or locations) your heirs cannot easily access while you are alive but would be able to access upon your death (such as a safety deposit box), along with instructions as to what to do with the seed to access the coin.

If for some reason you need to have multiple seeds (such as one for what you spend with your phone while out, or one for cold storage), you can repeat the above process for each seed that controls any of your coin you wish to pass onto their heirs.
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July 13, 2020, 12:08:33 AM
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A cool project was posted in /r/bitcoin today: https://github.com/lacksfish/insure-gui (original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/hpyfjt/ive_built_a_tool_making_it_easy_to_inherit/)

It's an easy way to create a sweeping transaction from a Ledger device that is only valid no sooner than one year from the moment of creation (user can set this parameter). The application then creates a pdf which you can email to your heir.

The main disadvantage is that you have to move the funds to another address of yours to invalidate that sweeping transaction. Any similar projects like this existed before? Thoughts?

That's pretty neat! The concept has been discussed several times before (both on Bitcointalk and on Reddit) as it's probably the most straight forward way to do a dead man's switch in Bitcoin, but it's the first time I see it actually implemented (at least without the necessity of manually creating a raw transaction yourself).


true, but if you are making a 'will' and have the coins in cold storage it's highly likely that you won't spend them.
Everyone needs to spend money to pay for their basic necessities, at a minimum. Those that are most likely to die, those in retirement, will need to spend down the money they intend to pass on to their heirs.

Not that much of an issue if you have separate accounts for daily spending and long term savings. Creating a new "insurance transaction" every few months when you refill your daily spending account doesn't sound that bad.


What alternative do you propose? Leave the private key encrypted with the heir PGP private key somewhere in the house, to be found when you die?

Well, one can always keep their seed phrase in a safe deposit box (made accessible after your death), with a passphrase passed on via a separate channel (e.g. a notary executing your will, separate safe deposit box). Involves third parties which makes it less fun, but maybe more practical while still reasonable secure for most people.


Alternatively -- just to put it out there -- make your last will a scavenger hunt for your seed phrase. Something out of Indiana Jones. Or Saw, depending on how well you like your relatives.

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