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July 28, 2020, 10:09:52 PM
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I saw a projection earlier from Tone Vays saying over 20k by end of 2021 and he was using Nasdaq recovery for comparison and estimate.  That seems a fair scale and pace to price progression.

Kind of a silly comparison. There is some positive correlation of course, but it would be a huge mistake to extrapolate magnitude from stocks to BTC. BTC has the potential to go much, much higher than that by the end of 2021. I could see a bubble similar to 2011, 2013, or 2017 wrapping up by then, in which case 6-figure valuations are much more likely.

Tone Vays, as usual is being far too bearish in his attempts at being realistic and logical. Markets are irrational, a lesson he doesn't seem to have learned yet.

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July 30, 2020, 07:59:34 PM
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Yeah breaking the ATH next year is definitely doable, in fact I'd be pretty shocked if it didn't happen. I think we'll likely see $20k during the first half of 2021, then it'll probably have a correction and take a while to truly break out.

2019 was the end of bear market year and start of bull market. 2020 is progressing towards the market heating up with a global market crash thrown in there to slow things down a bit. 2021 should be moving back to ATH and getting close to the explosive part of the bull market. Then 2022 I think will be the next explosive late bull market phase where we see a high five digits or possibly over $100k price peak, and then the start of the next crash. So yeah doubling over the next year is very likely and by the end of 2021 starting the exponential move beyond the ATH is likely.
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July 30, 2020, 08:32:14 PM
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$250k price tag for bitcoin in the next 12-18 months will not be possible. Bitcoin price is still at $10k. Am expecting bitcoin price to be at $45k by that time. $250k price is very outrageous to come pass. Maybe in the 4-5 years will be able to see such price ''$250k".
It will be good for us to imagine the possible not the impossible that will years to actualize
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July 31, 2020, 12:00:00 AM
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$250k price tag for bitcoin in the next 12-18 months will not be possible. Bitcoin price is still at $10k. Am expecting bitcoin price to be at $45k by that time. $250k price is very outrageous to come pass. Maybe in the 4-5 years will be able to see such price ''$250k".
It will be good for us to imagine the possible not the impossible that will years to actualize

The price is really high and can we really speculate the price of bitcoin in the next 12-18 months? That's true price is very outrageous to say this time. And we couldn't tell if the coming months as stated above can be reached in a short span of time.
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July 31, 2020, 12:16:05 AM
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Btc analysis:

https://dmh.co/patient-zero-blog/f/the-recentralization-effect

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What Is It That Gets Bitcoin's Price Up?

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One thing that isn’t often considered with respect to cryptocurrency prices is how firm they are the more centralized the mining. This is a controversial point in Blockchain circles, since the whole point of the innovation of digital currency is that it’s decentralized – which means, no one person or authority has control over it. The reality is however that very often, assets that perform the best have a few vested individuals acting as silent “heavy holders” keeping supply off the market.

Bitcoin is no different. Halvening events such as the one this May, where Bitcoin’s Blockchain began rewarding miners with 6.25 coins per block vs. 12.5 coins over the previous four years are commonly assumed to cerate more demand for the coin as the amount of it being supplied is diminished. However, is this the real reason that Bitcoin’s prices leaps after a halevening event?

It’s possible to see the scenario a different way. When you look at the impact of halvening on Bitcoin’s price the first and second time around, you notice two completely different reactions. After the first halvening, almost as soon as the block reward goes down (and even beforehand too) the price of Bitcoin leaps. It is surely impossible for a lower block reward to impact a digital currency price so instantly, so the natural assumption here is that the effect was more psychological than specifically microeconomic. The price stability that has ensued over the third Bitcoin halvening event in the past couple of months is however notable, since it mirrors what Bitcoin’s price did following the previous halvening of the Blockchain’s block reward.

Thus, the question becomes: what has changed between the first halvening event, in 2012, and the second one in 2016 and this year’s? The answer is – miners. Bitcoin was initially mined via CPU and GPU – in essence, ordinary computing power. Then, in 2015, Micree Zhan, an engineer for Wu Jihan, who was one of Roger Ver’s buddies at that time, developed the Antminer for start-up Bitmain. Within about 6 months, five generations of miner upgrades were made until finally, Zhan Ketuan, another engineer, developed the Antminer S5, which could mine over 1 TH/s.

Fast-forward to the Bitcoin halvening event in 2016, and most miners were by then capable at the upper ranges of achieving 13-15 TH/s. That power level actually stuck for the next two years without getting much of an upgrade, too: by 2017, despite consuming 30.14TWh worldwide – which is more than the entire power consumption of 19 European countries combined - Bitcoin miners were still using the Antminer S9 for the most part, which is 14 TH/s. One way to see this is that Bitcoin, quite simply, was becoming extremely centralized during the first half of its second halvening innings. According to Bitmain’s listing prospectus, the company increased revenue from $140 million in 2015 to around $2.5 billion by 2017. Meanwhile, total customers increased by 40,000 in number in the same period, to 46,000 customers. In other words, while sales of mining hardware jumped about 16 times in dollar terms, the total number of new buyers only rose about 6 times. This was during a period in which mining power increases were fairly unremarkable. The implication is that with the stabilization in mining power increases, about a third of the existing customer base simply kept buying up more mining hardware. This is the equivalent effect to that of what we might call here the recentralization effect.

During the 12 months following the second Bitcoin halvening event, Bitcoin’s price rose about 600%, to $2400. If we scale out that effect just another 6 months, the effect was a 30-fold increase in the price, once it piqued at $20,000 / BTC. Ultimately, Bitcoin’s price stabilized at around $10,000 per Bitcoin after it came down from this high during the 2018-2019 period. This commensurate reduction meant that Bitcoin’s price from the point of the second halevening ultimately rose about the same number of times as the increase in Bitmain’s sales during the same period. The implication is that this exponentially widening core of repeat customers were storing the Bitcoin away while increasing hashpower via spending whatever minimal amounts on more mining gear.

Fast-forward to the present, and we have the ultra-efficient Antminer S19Pro ready for market in August this year, just 3 months following the third halvening event. This machine mines at 110 TH/s. Notice that in the past halvening period overall, mining power has risen by around 10 times, but only after the Bitcoin high was reached did any of that acceleration in mining power per hardware unit take shape. In other words, during the period when the Bitcoin price collapsed in 2018, was when the mining equipment makers got their most productive in terms of power per unit.

Once again, the power per hardware unit available seems to have stabilized, and the Antminer S19Pro is simply more cost-efficient than current iterations of the Series 19 model. When this happens, miners tend to spend their increased cost efficiency on loading up on more Bitcoin miners, centralizing the Blockchain further yet again. This effect, remember, is precisely what seems to cause the massive price surges, at first fairly gradual, then more steeply, and ultimately, to a point where it is blown out of all sanity. If that is the case, as it seems to be here, we are somewhere at the end of 2015 up to about mid-2016 right now, which is about 18 months away from where the next recentralized mining sellers will unload their Bitcoin potentially around $250,000 or more.   

All wrong as it is missing a factor that is key.  The accumulated world's worth is 50 to 100 trillion dollars.

BTC at 20 k in 2017 means. about 20,000 x 16.8 million = 336,000,000,000  336 billion is a  mere 0.336% to 0.672%  of the worlds wealth

the 10 wealthiest people  in 2016 had:
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1.   William [Bill] Gates III – $87.4 billion
2.   Amancio Ortega Gaona – $66.8 billion
3.   Warren Buffett – $60.7 billion
4.   Jeffrey Bezos – $56.6 billion
5.   David Koch – $47.4 billion
6.   Charles Koch – $46.8 billion
7.   Lawrence Ellison – $45.3 billion
8.   Mark Zuckerberg – $42.8 billion
9.   Michael Bloomberg – $42.1 billion
10.   Ingvar Kamprad – $39.3 billion

this adds to 543.5 billion  So you can argue if they get together and try to pump a coin to 20k they could.



But 250,000 x 18 million is 4.5 trillion  that is 8 or 9 times what the top ten people in the world have.

The pump is harder.

4.5 trillion is 4.5 to 9% of the worlds wealth

I would argue  that shift can't happen in less than 10 years.   12-18 months is a no go.

I believe that the 12-18 month cap for a high is much closer to 50,000 not 250,000

Of course I am barring the collapse of the USA dollar as the world standard for wealth.

If that happens hell BTC could be worth 1,000,000 in ten years or less.

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July 31, 2020, 05:35:59 AM
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I saw a projection earlier from Tone Vays saying over 20k by end of 2021 and he was using Nasdaq recovery for comparison and estimate.  That seems a fair scale and pace to price progression.


Here found it, its obviously alot harder to say precisely but I agree with the scale rather then these ideas of 250k per BTC which would be disproportionate to the rest of the world.
Its more realistic on seeing these kind of analysis and predictions with having correponding charting plots and basing of on realistic numbers rather than foreseeing into those 6 digit prices which is almost impossible to happen in a short time.

I dont know why they do really projected out these things without even realizing on what they are saying isnt really that easy.We cant even break out 20k ATH and we do talk about 250k? thats a bullshit thing to see or hear on.

Always stick on realistic numbers so that you wont make yourself get frustrated.
The reason why a lot of investors got so hyped is because they keep believing on someone's predictions. It is not bad to listen to them but we should not rely our decisions just because they told that the price of the bitcoin will become 6 digits. This kind of predictions are really unrealistic where it only base on the people's personal sentiment and fundamental analysis. Using technical analysis, reaching 6 digits in just months seems impossible because right now the price is having tough times touching $15k then there someone who keep saying that the price may reach 6 digits in a short period of time.
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April 13, 2021, 02:11:53 AM
Last edit: April 13, 2021, 02:26:12 AM by dmhco
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Well, wouldn't you know it ... I was right and that is exactly where we are headed now! Smiley Not, as one OP here put it, to $45k in 18 months, but rather, $45k took a mere 6 months!

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April 14, 2021, 08:15:45 PM
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It's getting more dangerous and hard to see that crypto will be hijacked by bears someday, when is what we don't actually knows but it's 100% assured that bears will be here, new money still keeps getting into BTC but at a point in time it will stop and big whales will start taking their profits

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April 14, 2021, 08:30:02 PM
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It's getting more dangerous and hard to see that crypto will be hijacked by bears someday
Honestly, I'm always thinking that if that time comes, we'll see massive sell offs on different exchanges and there will be a lot of newbies who would panic sold.

when is what we don't actually knows but it's 100% assured that bears will be here, new money still keeps getting into BTC but at a point in time it will stop and big whales will start taking their profits
It's always a thing that they'll always take their profits when it's the right time for them. And as small investor, I've done it too and no looking back but moving forward to accumulate more.

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April 15, 2021, 12:30:39 AM
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Entering the fourth month of 2021, Bitcoin has indeed performed very well, finally Bitcoin can reach the new ATH at $ 64k. This is a very good
achievement in a pandemic situation like now, because it is very rare for an asset that can go up so drastically as Bitcoin. So I have no qualms
about investing large sums in Bitcoin, as I believe the $ 250k target is very likely to be achieved in the next 18 months. But of course invest money
that we can afford to lose, because after all Bitcoin is an asset with very high risk. This means that it can go up drastically, and vice versa, it can go
down very drastically too. So investing in Bitcoin must be wise.

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April 15, 2021, 01:49:59 AM
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It's getting more dangerous and hard to see that crypto will be hijacked by bears someday, when is what we don't actually knows but it's 100% assured that bears will be here, new money still keeps getting into BTC but at a point in time it will stop and big whales will start taking their profits

For sure, bears will come no matter what, that's why we have to be ready for it. But for now, the market is really on bullish terms, it's like every month in 2021 we have a a new all time high. So I don't see the bears just coming into the picture and stop this super fast rally that we have right now.

So for $250k, hard to see, it's a massive price increased today, like x4 so it might take some time before we can crossed this price. Most likely 2021 or first 6 months of 2022 might be a good gauge to see if this price is doable.

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April 15, 2021, 05:00:27 AM
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Let's see.......




So what's the Answer ?  do OP hit the target or another BS prediction that has no Real Basis lol .

I love Positive Post actually specially when it claims to be a Big pump but I don't support exaggerating because this seems like a Misleading strategy and will Bring frustration to anyone that reads the thing.
It's getting more dangerous and hard to see that crypto will be hijacked by bears someday, when is what we don't actually knows but it's 100% assured that bears will be here, new money still keeps getting into BTC but at a point in time it will stop and big whales will start taking their profits
This market is not Bearish friendly nowadays , because even How Bear wanted to visit yet the Bull is Kicking Him out of the process.

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April 15, 2021, 06:51:48 AM
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$250k price tag for bitcoin in the next 12-18 months will not be possible. Bitcoin price is still at $10k. Am expecting bitcoin price to be at $45k by that time. $250k price is very outrageous to come pass. Maybe in the 4-5 years will be able to see such price ''$250k".
It will be good for us to imagine the possible not the impossible that will years to actualize

Give prediction in Crypto currency is not easy. This is much tough and who predict he also not 100% sure that will happen or not. You never surely tell that bitcoin price will hut $250k after 4/5 years. Now bitcoin price is so much volatile and potential. Day by day its Price increasing. Based on the price increase over the last six months, it can be said that the price of Bitcoin will touch $250k in one and a half to two years. But it is only a guess. No one can guarantee 100%. Prices could drop and could increase more more than $250k.

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April 15, 2021, 07:00:50 AM
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For sure, bears will come no matter what, that's why we have to be ready for it.
That's right, bitcoin price cycles are bound to change sooner or later. We've seen the cycle change before and maybe we'll see that again this year.

So for $250k, hard to see, it's a massive price increased today, like x4 so it might take some time before we can crossed this price. Most likely 2021 or first 6 months of 2022 might be a good gauge to see if this price is doable.
Without strong pumping, it took us a long time to see it hit $100K to $250K. It is not impossible, but it is true that it took us some time to reach ATH there.

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April 15, 2021, 11:14:11 PM
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250K will even more Bitcoin will, but need a time, for 12-18 months later no one knows because BItcoin is unpredictable, but for sure will. try to learn from history, that Bitcoin from nothing to become until now. Holders always win. Even if you buy in the peak you still will earn big money if invest for a long time., like the history, launched 2009 until now

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April 16, 2021, 12:26:39 AM
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For sure, bears will come no matter what, that's why we have to be ready for it.
That's right, bitcoin price cycles are bound to change sooner or later. We've seen the cycle change before and maybe we'll see that again this year.

So for $250k, hard to see, it's a massive price increased today, like x4 so it might take some time before we can crossed this price. Most likely 2021 or first 6 months of 2022 might be a good gauge to see if this price is doable.
Without strong pumping, it took us a long time to see it hit $100K to $250K. It is not impossible, but it is true that it took us some time to reach ATH there.

We're already in the $60,000 range, that's just short of $40,000 before going to $100,000 this year. Last December or just over 4 months ago, the price is $20,000 so there is still good pump in the price as we are still in the bullish phase.

And what's exciting is when we get to $100,000 this year, this will be another big test to all of us. We can either wait for the bullish to double that price and hold or at least, sell and take profits.

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April 16, 2021, 04:03:55 AM
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250K will even more Bitcoin will, but need a time, for 12-18 months later no one knows because BItcoin is unpredictable, but for sure will. try to learn from history, that Bitcoin from nothing to become until now. Holders always win. Even if you buy in the peak you still will earn big money if invest for a long time., like the history, launched 2009 until now
That is still a pretty wishing thing to say because currently we even haven't reached 100k price milestone yet so I don't think that in 12 to 18 months time, we are going to see some large increase in bitcoin prices because if we currently follow the current pattern of bitcoin price rise,I would say that we may be able to reach around 120k in the 12 to 18 months timeframe.

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April 16, 2021, 04:52:32 AM
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Well, it is not unreasonable that Bitcoin may have a price greater than $200k, according to Pantera he believes that it can reach it by 2022, however by this year 2021 he believes that Bitcoin can reach $115k.


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If the trend continues, Morehead wrote, bitcoin will reach $200,000 in 2022. That would be a 213% increase from bitcoin’s price today, which is on trend for the asset’s typical yearly return.
Source: https://blockworks.co/pantera-stays-bullish-on-bitcoin/

If we stick to the prediction model of PlanB it is much more reliable, although it does not say the exact time in which it will happen that Bitcoin will reach more than $400k it is a model that has expiration, it is not an indicator, that makes it more credible, also if We take into account that a lot of institutional investment is booming, the whales of 2017 may not have woken up yet, this generates more uncertainty in the market.

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