Human trials of corona virus vaccine

[Coyster]

There is news emerging from Russia that a covid-19 vaccine being developed in the country has passed the phase of human trial, an excerpt of the news reads thus:

Elena Smolyarchuk, chief researcher for the Russian Center for Clinical Research on Medications at Sechenov University, told TASS newswire on Sunday that human trials for the vaccine had been completed and those test patients will be discharged soon.

This news cannot come quicker for countries that are yet to reach their peak and still losing countless numbers of their citizens to corona virus daily. How reliable can this information coming out from Russia be, and if it indeed is true, what does it mean to the world at large and how do you envisage the commercialization process of the vaccine.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/07/13/russia-completes-human-trials-of-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

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[madnessteat]

I do not argue that the tests could show positive results, but in my opinion, too little time has passed for scientists to make sure that there are no threats to the body, as negative consequences may not appear immediately.

[Juggy777]

There is news emerging from Russia that a covid-19 vaccine being developed in the country has passed the phase of human trial, an excerpt of the news reads thus:

Elena Smolyarchuk, chief researcher for the Russian Center for Clinical Research on Medications at Sechenov University, told TASS newswire on Sunday that human trials for the vaccine had been completed and those test patients will be discharged soon.

This news cannot come quicker for countries that are yet to reach their peak and still losing countless numbers of their citizens to corona virus daily. How reliable can this information coming out from Russia be, and if it indeed is true, what does it mean to the world at large and how do you envisage the commercialization process of the vaccine.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/07/13/russia-completes-human-trials-of-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

I do not argue that the tests could show positive results, but in my opinion, too little time has passed for scientists to make sure that there are no threats to the body, as negative consequences may not appear immediately.

@coyster yea they’re proceeding to the third phase now which should be completed by August, and even though this is exciting news for the world I’m skeptical as to how did they conduct the tests so fast, and how safe will these vaccines actually be. @madnessteat you’re absolutely correct as it’s just been few months since they started the research, and normally a vaccine takes up to 10 year’s to be completed, hence I won’t be taking it even if it launches by this year’s end.

Sources:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-may-start-phase-iii-140149132.html?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/vaccine-development-takes-10-years-sanofi-seeks-to-do-so-in-18-months.html

[madnessteat]

~ you’re absolutely correct as it’s just been few months since they started the research, and normally a vaccine takes up to 10 year’s to be completed, hence I won’t be taking it even if it launches by this year’s end. ~

It's the right decision. I also refuse vaccination because I live in Russia. I am very familiar with Russian "free" medicine and our bureaucracy.

I think that five years is enough to detect negative consequences of vaccination and at least 1000 volunteers.

[Coyster]

it’s just been few months since they started the research, and normally a vaccine takes up to 10 year’s to be completed, hence I won’t be taking it even if it launches by this year’s end.

The production of a covid-19 vaccine is prolly moving faster than it should when it comes to the expected time it should take in making a vaccine; but imo scientists are working faster because the world atm is in need of a solution to corona virus asap, and tbh, social distancing, wearing of face masks, lockdowns have not done too much good in stopping the spread of the virus, the more reason i think we'll not have to wait that long (10yrs or so) for a covid-19 vaccine, or we would have to stay locked down for years.

[okala]

This is good news and I pray it resolve most of the fears the whole world is having about this covid19. The vaccine if used and we got positive results then we should expect world economy coming back to life.

[LTU_btc]

I'm not anti-vaxer or something, but I'm a bit sceptical about vaccine for coronavirus and I doubt that I'm going to use it. First, I'm not sure that's possible to create both safe and effective vaccine in such short frame of time.
And I had read somewhere that there is different strains of coronavirus coronavirus, so vaccine may not help. But I'm not sure how reliable this information is.
Also, if second wave will happen, there may be mutations of virus, same like we have new mutations of flu each season and new vaccine is needed every year. If there will be new mutations of Covid-19, this vaccine simply will not work.
And I have strong immunity system, I never use flu vaccine and I didn't even had cold in recent years. I think some commom sense and things like hygiene and distance may be enough to protect yourself from virus.

[Twinkledoe]

~ you’re absolutely correct as it’s just been few months since they started the research, and normally a vaccine takes up to 10 year’s to be completed, hence I won’t be taking it even if it launches by this year’s end. ~

It's the right decision. I also refuse vaccination because I live in Russia. I am very familiar with Russian "free" medicine and our bureaucracy.

I think that five years is enough to detect negative consequences of vaccination and at least 1000 volunteers.

Do you consider that maybe we have sophisticated instruments and equipment these days? The reason why the testing is bit fast. But anyway, it is your prerogative on how you want with this vaccination thing and as you said, you are very familiar with Russian ways on this aspect. And we will see how potent their vaccine will be in the years to come.

[BADecker]

Different countries prepare their vaccines differently. That's why Russia might have success where the USA gets the following.


BOMBSHELL: Covid-19 infection rate may be 440% higher among children who received FLU SHOTS…

A new study published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases finds that children who received inactivated influenza vaccines were 440% more likely (relative risk: 4.40; 95% confidence interval: 1.31-14. to acquire infections of respiratory viral pathogens which are not influenza. With the aggressive push for influenza immunizations now under way, the medical establishment may be setting up children to be extremely vulnerable to coronavirus infections.

Titled, "Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine," the study is found at this link at the National Library of Medicine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/



The study finds that flu shots quite literally inactivate parts of the human immune system, rendering the child more vulnerable to coronavirus infections. "Being protected against influenza, trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine recipients may lack temporary non-specific immunity that protected against other respiratory viruses," the study authors write.

The study authors explain that the influenza vaccine works to prevent influenza virus infections, but at the same time it makes children more susceptible to other respiratory infections. Since the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) for seasonal influenza is so low (around 0.024%, which is not a typo), and the Infection Fatality Rate of covid-19 infections is at least one order of magnitude higher, it raises the obvious question:

Would it save more lives of children to avoid administering flu shots this year and therefore reduce their vulnerability to covid-19, which has a far higher fatality rate?

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Those who push flu shots may be worsening the coronavirus pandemic

[iamsheikhadil]

I think this has now become an international business and any country which might successfully develop a vaccine would surely sell it at such prices and make it most advantageous to them. I often see in news everyday like Italy has developed vaccine, Germany developed etc etc, I don't think it's going to be this quick and we shouldn't really trust on any such news for the time.

[optimisticcm]

There is news emerging from Russia that a covid-19 vaccine being developed in the country has passed the phase of human trial, an excerpt of the news reads thus:

Elena Smolyarchuk, chief researcher for the Russian Center for Clinical Research on Medications at Sechenov University, told TASS newswire on Sunday that human trials for the vaccine had been completed and those test patients will be discharged soon.

This news cannot come quicker for countries that are yet to reach their peak and still losing countless numbers of their citizens to corona virus daily. How reliable can this information coming out from Russia be, and if it indeed is true, what does it mean to the world at large and how do you envisage the commercialization process of the vaccine.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/07/13/russia-completes-human-trials-of-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

I think UK was way ahead in vaccine game and they have the right kind of partnerships to work efficiently led by huge manufacturer astra zeneca but after starting human trials there has been silence from them or maybe they will update about it after completion of trials. I hope humanity will get out of this trouble soon.

[Mauser]

I think UK was way ahead in vaccine game and they have the right kind of partnerships to work efficiently led by huge manufacturer astra zeneca but after starting human trials there has been silence from them or maybe they will update about it after completion of trials. I hope humanity will get out of this trouble soon.

That would make sense why they didn't want to partner up with the EU to work on a vaccine program for everybody. Let's see if they can keep up being ahead of everyone else in Europe. UK was hit particular hard during the corona crisis and definitely needs a lot of vaccines for their own population - but being completely egoistic is not alright.

[BADecker]

Working on and testing a Coronavirus vaccine is like placing the cart a thousand miles ahead of the horse. Why? Because of the scientific/medical rules for testing for a virus.

In 1884, a 4-step process was developed by a couple of doctors, for determining if a disease was what they though it was. This process came to be known as Koch's Postulates. Number 3 in Koch's Postulates is:

The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.

Over the years, medical people have upgraded Koch's Postulates. In the 21st Century, an upgraded list includes as the last one of seven, a part similar to Koch's 3rd postulate:

These sequence-based forms of evidence for microbial causation should be reproducible.

How do you reproduce the disease as talked about in both lists, above? You reproduce the disease by injecting the virus into another person to see if he develops the disease. Has this been done? Does anybody have evidence that this has been attempted anywhere? This DOESN'T include the idea that someone else in proximity to the sick person, simply gets sick, as well. This is the intentional injecting of the virus into a healthy person to see if it makes him sick.

Has this been documented to have been done anywhere? If it hasn't, basic medical identification of the virus is in question, because accepted medical practices have not been followed.


DO **NOT** GET TESTED FOR COVID-19 IF YOU ARE **NOT** SICK

Many people are being encouraged to "Get Tested" for COVID-19 even if they aren't sick.  Docs are telling people "we just want to make sure."  BAD IDEA.   When you take a COVID-19 test, there is a fifty percent (50%) "Error Rate" in the test.

Turns out, according to the CDC, the present COVID-19 tests might come back "positive" if you've merely had the common cold!   That's right!  Because the "Common cold" is another coronavirus!  Here, Look at this from the CDC Web Site . . .



Here's a direct link to the CDC web site; read it for yourself HERE

So the test results are grossly unreliable.  But it gets worse . . . a LOT worse.

If your test comes back "positive" your name and address immediately goes into a State database shared with Police, Fire and EMS.  So if you call the police for anything . . . like an ambulance . . . a message comes up on the police dispatcher's computer telling them "Universal Precautions Required at this address."    Your so-called "medical privacy" under the HPPA laws . . .  GONE!

Once that message pops up in the police department, every cop, every fireman, every EMS worker in your town immediately knows someone in YOUR HOUSE is infected.  In small town America, the Gossip mill starts immediately.

It gets worse.  In California, the Child Protective Service is filing legal actions against parents who test positive, to TAKE THEIR MINOR CHILDREN AWAY until the parents are no longer positive!

[madnessteat]

Do you consider that maybe we have sophisticated instruments and equipment these days? The reason why the testing is bit fast. But anyway, it is your prerogative on how you want with this vaccination thing and as you said, you are very familiar with Russian ways on this aspect. And we will see how potent their vaccine will be in the years to come.

No matter how smart the scientists are and how sophisticated the instruments are, we will never be able to outrun time. The main problem preventing the start of mass production of the vaccine is to test it for side effects. But it takes a very long time.

[Jet Cash]

The 'flu shot doesn't work, and messes up your immune system. How are they going to create a vaccine for an RNA virus that mutates? Especially as they focus on antibodies, and those are just one of the ways that humans fight these viruses. Nature has spent thousands of years developing and testing safe ways to counter the multitude of viruses that we are exposed to every day, and we should be nurturing that, and not trying to destroy it by funding Bill Gates eugenics programmes.

[Coyster]

I think this has now become an international business and any country which might successfully develop a vaccine would surely sell it at such prices and make it most advantageous to them. I often see in news everyday like Italy has developed vaccine, Germany developed etc etc, I don't think it's going to be this quick and we shouldn't really trust on any such news for the time.

I also hinted at the commercialization process in the op, if it's possible that a vaccine produced in any country is going to be successful, then it's also a very effective way to make money from it, and this will help their economy to prolly recover faster than others, as you'd imagine, there will be a huge demand for it, and that demand will cost money for it to be supplied all around the world.

Imo, it's not a bad business to say the least, the thing is, just as many users have touched on in this thread, is if a vaccine can be trusted and how many willing people will want to take a shot, not many I'd think.

[madnessteat]

The 'flu shot doesn't work, and messes up your immune system. How are they going to create a vaccine for an RNA virus that mutates? ~

I agree. It's almost impossible to create a vaccine against RNA viruses. I read that if scientists get all the strains of this virus, they can determine the same part in each of these strains. Only then will it be possible to counteract the mutations of the coronavirus.

[tvbcof]

The 'flu shot doesn't work, and messes up your immune system. How are they going to create a vaccine for an RNA virus that mutates? Especially as they focus on antibodies, and those are just one of the ways that humans fight these viruses. Nature has spent thousands of years developing and testing safe ways to counter the multitude of viruses that we are exposed to every day, and we should be nurturing that, and not trying to destroy it by funding Bill Gates eugenics programmes.

Here's how:  I've seen 'trial balloons' alluding to the technology for a number of years now, and came close in my mind to guessing the underlying technology they plan to use might work.

You get a 'platform' implanted into your body.  This 'platform' is capable of producing any genetic sequences it is programed to produce.  It is programmable from outside the body either through ultraviolet signaling or wireless.

The RNA (and DNA) vaccines being worked on, and in fact are being tested on people (dark people in underdeveloped countries often) right now work by turning people into a genetically modified organism.  That is to say, the 'vaccine' infects their cells with 'designer' genetic material which programs the cells to make virus parts.  The virus parts your cells created are then attacked by your own immune system to create an immune response and 'immunity.'

The sales pitch for dealing with fast mutating RNA viruses like coronavirus will be that the detection of new viruses via a VERY intensive surveillance network (which 'we' NEED), and the subsequent re-programing of people's 'embedded nano-platforms' will be so rapid turn-around that they can stop all infectious diseases from now forward.

A happy side-effect is that if an individual refuses to take the nano-platform, that's fine.  They die when the next MERS happens to make it's rounds.  And 99% of the population will be happy because 'platform deniers' are putting everyone at risk.

[Subbir]

The country considers it a ‘moral responsibility’ to start out the method of rapid vaccine development to stop coronavirus infection that's why the 2 vaccines that are developed have quickly become human clinical. India wants to usher in vaccines as soon as possible. that's why no effort is being spared Both Indian vaccines are successfully tested in rats and rabbits This information has also been submitted to DCGI Both vaccines were then cleared in early July to start human testing at an early stage Human testing of two Indian vaccines is being started at an early stage this month.

[akram143]

As per WHO statement we are not going to find a complete cure for this virus because it keeps mutates so if we found a vaccine which will become innefective before it comes to public market because the virus will change its behaviour and finds own way to survive for the antibodies the vaccine were created for.Its more like a business motive but not going to bring any real change in my opinion.