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But player promotions and affiliate deals/partnerships are 2 different totally unrelated things, and should be treated as such. Casinos are already making enough money so as not to skim a few bucks out of the people generating real traffic towards them. Restricting no deposit bonuses is usually "bad" for a certain type of players, but the focus should not really be on those few players that have no intention of playing.
Btw, that's an astronomically high HE you've got there; and a few other things I hope are a typo on the site you've linked. I'll go attach an example: Casino Casino games rely on a coefficient called "RTP" (Return to Player) which is the statistical average of payouts over billions of rounds. Every game has a different RTP. They can vary from 0.35% to 8%, depending on provider and other factors. We are displaying the game's RTP in the bottom right corner of the screen if it's available when you play. If you have an RTP of 0.35-8%; that means that the HE is actually 99.65-92% !!
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December 06, 2021, 03:34:05 PM Last edit: December 06, 2021, 03:58:44 PM by efialtis |
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Thank you very much for clarifying @csmiami
Guys, player rewards/promotions have nothing to do with affiliate partnerships. If I send your casino players who deposit freaking $600k, the absolute bottom, worst thinkable commission I MUST receive is 10% of those deposits, which means $60k This is compared with the absolute worst deals in regular gambling affiliation. Now guess what, when I send a crypto casino, say BetFury, players who deposit 11 BTC, I must earn an absolute minimum of 1.1 BTC. The industry average goes more towards 25% by the way, so that would make it some 3 BTC commission - with the casino still making shit tons of money for super targeted traffic. When a serious casino operation is not ready to pay even that, something is off and suspicious - again, we are talking about industry standards. Such pathetic earnings would even be considered rogue when shared @ industry related boards.
You know what they say in online marketing space? An operator who treats his partners bad, will sooner or later also treat his clients bad and this has been proven right countless times in the past. For that reason - and because BTCGOSU cannot be a charity, just like the casinos arent charity either, anything but that obviously - I will deactivate numerous crypto casinos that treat their affiliates like shit/are unprofessional in that regard etc.
Common sense in the end of the day: Imagine, is there any better marketing model from a casino operator perspective? You are only paying for actual traffic and only when that traffic actually spends money on your site. Now tell me, if I told you "Hey, I can send you people who are going to deposit 600k USD, how much would you give me for them?" Lets be serious guys, it would be much much more than 6k for anyone in his right mind.
Nb. All of that does not mean I was "fooled" or anything, the aff model has been as bad ever since - this is not about that, it is about this whole mess in general.
Nb 2. With all that said, remember people, gamble responsibly!
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December 06, 2021, 03:39:03 PM |
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But player promotions and affiliate deals/partnerships are 2 different totally unrelated things, and should be treated as such. Casinos are already making enough money so as not to skim a few bucks out of the people generating real traffic towards them. Restricting no deposit bonuses is usually "bad" for a certain type of players, but the focus should not really be on those few players that have no intention of playing.
Fair point. We do our best to promote both but of course the site being in (huge) profit isn't always the case (we're not a full-blown casino like Stake so we have to tread carefully) unless you're directly monitoring the cashflow; i.e. being the (co) founder or the accountant. As I'm neither one, I am unable to answer your question on that. About the bonus, ours is non-sticky. Basically you are free to withdraw your winnings from your initial deposit, while we have a separate BONUS deposit that must be wagered 40x its value before it could be withdrawn. However, we also throw in 10 free spins for 5 different games as well so basically a two-for-one package. Btw, that's an astronomically high HE you've got there; and a few other things I hope are a typo on the site you've linked. I'll go attach an example: Casino Casino games rely on a coefficient called "RTP" (Return to Player) which is the statistical average of payouts over billions of rounds. Every game has a different RTP. They can vary from 0.35% to 8%, depending on provider and other factors. We are displaying the game's RTP in the bottom right corner of the screen if it's available when you play. If you have an RTP of 0.35-8%; that means that the HE is actually 99.65-92% !! Yikes, those values should be 92 - 99.65% RTP, not the other way round. Thanks for pointing it out!
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Coming (VERY) Soon! We would like to do another GOSU event shortly and would like to hear your thoughts - would you prefer a dice roll hunt or a slots competition? You know we have done it all in the past! ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Have a great week GOSUS!
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December 06, 2021, 08:14:35 PM Last edit: December 06, 2021, 08:49:09 PM by iv4n |
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I don't wish to interrupt the discussion I started, unintentionally... in the end, I am just a gambler! I didn't know that the referral system in crypto casinos sucks, to be honest, and looking at some facts and numbers presented above I can only say it sucks big time! Hey iv4n, Playing with your BFG tokens does count in levelling up! The only sad thing is that you don't mine any extra BFG when playing with BFG tokens. That's why I always use USDT to play on Betfury.
Well, maybe that works for in-house games... for playing slots only (and sports bets, at least one or two with BFG) I didn't move from the same wager for days... and I gambled my man, believe in that, just $1 bets and over... in GameArt tournament I am in first 100 for now! Many big wins and losses in the past few days, but more wins definitely... I sold 25k BFG and transferred them to BC.Games: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2F7hZCJKyb%2Fimage.png&t=665&c=EmkYya8PbVR8FQ) Got another bonus.... who will clear that 2k bonus money!? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) PS: And definitely a good start: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2FV5QM2jCR%2Fimage.png&t=665&c=wnx0Ntr00XARIw)
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December 07, 2021, 08:02:10 PM |
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We have terminated our business relationship with BetFury - for the time being, the BetFury review will still be live with the links pointing to a different casino. We have of course placed a box on the respective review page stating our termination.
The casino was not ready to come to an agreement with us and we will not send our players to a site, which makes hundreds thousands of USD in profits with us receiving shit. This is bad business practice, shady and in the end, not a surprise no big websites are promoting such crypto casinos but instead focus on all the FIAT ones that also take one or another crypto for deposits.
On a different note - Betnomi was added to our blacklist.
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December 08, 2021, 10:20:54 AM Last edit: December 08, 2021, 01:11:14 PM by NotATether |
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On a different note - Betnomi was added to our blacklist.
Aside from the little trickery that was going on last May-August 2020, what kind of shady stuff did they do to land in there?
Also, before I forget: There are several types of BTC bets you can make in Sic Bo. The first of these is the Total. It is a bet on the total value (from four to seventeen) of the three dice. You could also choose to play Small (Low) or Big (High) bets, on the total of the dice being between 4 and 10, or 11 and 17, respectively. Might want to add " except for triples" at the end of this text (Small and Big areas do not apply to triples).
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December 09, 2021, 02:29:52 PM |
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On a different note - Betnomi was added to our blacklist.
Aside from the little trickery that was going on last May-August 2020, what kind of shady stuff did they do to land in there?
Also, before I forget: There are several types of BTC bets you can make in Sic Bo. The first of these is the Total. It is a bet on the total value (from four to seventeen) of the three dice. You could also choose to play Small (Low) or Big (High) bets, on the total of the dice being between 4 and 10, or 11 and 17, respectively. Might want to add " except for triples" at the end of this text (Small and Big areas do not apply to triples). They closed their affiliate program without notifying anyone and without compensation, we could not even check our stats while the affiliate side of things was down. Then they relaunched their casino with a new affiliate program, obviously not having migrated previously referred players. Thanks for the hint - noted! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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December 09, 2021, 11:41:43 PM |
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We have terminated our business relationship with BetFury - for the time being, the BetFury review will still be live with the links pointing to a different casino. We have of course placed a box on the respective review page stating our termination.
The casino was not ready to come to an agreement with us and we will not send our players to a site, which makes hundreds thousands of USD in profits with us receiving shit. This is bad business practice, shady and in the end, not a surprise no big websites are promoting such crypto casinos but instead focus on all the FIAT ones that also take one or another crypto for deposits.
On a different note - Betnomi was added to our blacklist.
Too bad to hear this, it seems like in the beginning they were a good partner (there were quite a lot of giveaways/promotion on BTCGOSU for Betfury). Sad to hear that you couldn't come to an agreement, but I understand the decision from your point of view. If you don't get compensated for your hard work, than it has indeed no use to partner up.
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December 09, 2021, 11:50:33 PM |
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We have terminated our business relationship with BetFury - for the time being, the BetFury review will still be live with the links pointing to a different casino. We have of course placed a box on the respective review page stating our termination.
The casino was not ready to come to an agreement with us and we will not send our players to a site, which makes hundreds thousands of USD in profits with us receiving shit. This is bad business practice, shady and in the end, not a surprise no big websites are promoting such crypto casinos but instead focus on all the FIAT ones that also take one or another crypto for deposits.
On a different note - Betnomi was added to our blacklist.
Too bad to hear this, it seems like in the beginning they were a good partner (there were quite a lot of giveaways/promotion on BTCGOSU for Betfury). Sad to hear that you couldn't come to an agreement, but I understand the decision from your point of view. If you don't get compensated for your hard work, than it has indeed no use to partner up. Betfury is by no means a bad crypto casino - they can still improve and there have been quite a few things I didnt like (and still dont), but it would be unfair to say they are bad... on the contrary, I have been quite impressed by their recent developments. On the other hand, when you have the worst affiliate program iGaming has ever seen and are not ready to work on a deal that is fair - all of that after having made shit tons of money from your PARTNER`S traffic - then there is no point in promoting them further. And anyone with some business understanding will also agree that it is not a very good "sign" in general for what`s to come. I have seen affiliates being screwed before and not much later, the whole shit going down, affectings players as well.
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December 09, 2021, 11:55:47 PM |
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On a different note - Betnomi was added to our blacklist.
Aside from the little trickery that was going on last May-August 2020, what kind of shady stuff did they do to land in there? They closed their affiliate program without notifying anyone and without compensation, we could not even check our stats while the affiliate side of things was down. Then they relaunched their casino with a new affiliate program, obviously not having migrated previously referred players. They said they would take steps against negative trust that you gave them. I was checking reputation thread and scam accussations but couldn't find anything about it. I understand that this is their final decision and they will not be migrating referrals from the old platform? Or are you still trying to talk to them?
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On a different note - Betnomi was added to our blacklist.
Aside from the little trickery that was going on last May-August 2020, what kind of shady stuff did they do to land in there? They closed their affiliate program without notifying anyone and without compensation, we could not even check our stats while the affiliate side of things was down. Then they relaunched their casino with a new affiliate program, obviously not having migrated previously referred players. They said they would take steps against negative trust that you gave them. I was checking reputation thread and scam accussations but couldn't find anything about it. I understand that this is their final decision and they will not be migrating referrals from the old platform? Or are you still trying to talk to them? No I dont, I dont care - this is more about principle. Just like the casino mentioned in my previous post has an unbelievably bad commission model and business sense, Betnomi has done what you just quoted - check their responses in that thread, their decision is final and I really dont care anymore. Accusing me for some BS when I asked the simplest questions. In the end of the day, that is one of the reasons I created BTCGOSU - this industry is still worse than wild west and operators like to think they can do as they see fit - interestingly, most of the time, it is only me realizing how bad this is for the industry as the whole, same for the players of course.
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December 10, 2021, 04:38:53 PM |
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In the end of the day, that is one of the reasons I created BTCGOSU - this industry is still worse than wild west and operators like to think they can do as they see fit - interestingly, most of the time, it is only me realizing how bad this is for the industry as the whole, same for the players of course.
I am not into the referrals and commission models so I don't feel competent enough to speak about that. I would like to point towards good members of crypto gambling community like Sportsbet and Stake. I must say that both of those sites have come very far and customers feel valued there (at least I do). They are also doing heaps of good work with their Sponsorship deals. I'll just mention a couple of the biggest here: Sportsbet is sponsoring Southampton and they are official betting partner for Arsenal, Stake is sponsoring Watford. Must say, I like to see those bitcoin logos showing on premier league turf. When I remember my beginnings with crypto sports betting and Nitrogen, this what we have today is miles ahead. We have better odds, better UI, better promos, nice freebies and so much more.
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In the end of the day, that is one of the reasons I created BTCGOSU - this industry is still worse than wild west and operators like to think they can do as they see fit - interestingly, most of the time, it is only me realizing how bad this is for the industry as the whole, same for the players of course.
I am not into the referrals and commission models so I don't feel competent enough to speak about that. I would like to point towards good members of crypto gambling community like Sportsbet and Stake. I must say that both of those sites have come very far and customers feel valued there (at least I do). They are also doing heaps of good work with their Sponsorship deals. I'll just mention a couple of the biggest here: Sportsbet is sponsoring Southampton and they are official betting partner for Arsenal, Stake is sponsoring Watford. Must say, I like to see those bitcoin logos showing on premier league turf. When I remember my beginnings with crypto sports betting and Nitrogen, this what we have today is miles ahead. We have better odds, better UI, better promos, nice freebies and so much more. I have also seen the huge progress especially of sportsbet.io over all these years and they sending gifts to their users and other promotional events is just great.They have done it with time and continuous improvements as you said and now has huge user base which trust them and for me they provide quite a good gambling experience to users.
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🚨 GOSU BIG WINS SECTION ALERT 🚨 I am super excited to let you all know that the first part of our on-site community development is finished and that we have just launched our big wins images/videos upload section/functionality. Registered users on BTCGOSU can now upload their win images/videos through their account and share them with the community. Uploads can be liked and commented. If you do not have account, just create one, go to your account page and start uploading. Please note that all uploads are reviewed and manually approved before they are being published. Please take a look and even better, try it out and let me know how you feel about it - ideas for improvement, etc. - as usual, I highly appreciate feedback. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Some screenshots: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfqjI9dt.jpg&t=665&c=Qodb-jWzKva8RQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FaIjDQzz.jpg&t=665&c=ELLuY2Q3_Vs3pw) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F65EgatT.jpg&t=665&c=4xhw5EG3K0BD0w)
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December 16, 2021, 08:43:00 PM |
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Well, well, well! What an exciting day today has been! New section AND a new awesome promotion that has BC.Game has launched with $500k in prizes. I'd give this post a read about it! And while at it, it's also a great promotion for you guys to start using the new section we have ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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🚨 GOSU BIG WINS SECTION ALERT 🚨 Finally! Congrats, Gosu is getting better and better! Well, well, well! What an exciting day today has been! New section AND a new awesome promotion that has BC.Game has launched with $500k in prizes. I'd give this post a read about it! And while at it, it's also a great promotion for you guys to start using the new section we have ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The promotion looks awesome, I hope Gosus will win some prizes! I started playing but still without any big wins, I don't plan to share anything lower than x659... ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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December 17, 2021, 06:10:41 PM Last edit: December 18, 2021, 02:31:21 PM by efialtis |
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You GOSUS know (by now) that we are big fans of BC.Game and with all their recent improvements, it was about time to update our review: https://www.btcgosu.com/review/bc-game/On a different note, we have deactivated the following casino reviews: BetFury, Bitsler, Roobet, Rollbit, Duelbits, Chips.gg, Gamdom, BitKong, LuckyDice, SimpleDice, OneHash, CyberDice, Earnbet, Windice, SwC Poker, DuckDice, Tower.Bet, VipGame, BitGame @Iv4n Thank you friend! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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December 20, 2021, 01:44:52 PM |
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You GOSUS know (by now) that we are big fans of BC.Game and with all their recent improvements, it was about time to update our review: https://www.btcgosu.com/review/bc-game/On a different note, we have deactivated the following casino reviews: BetFury, Bitsler, Roobet, Rollbit, Duelbits, Chips.gg, Gamdom, BitKong, LuckyDice, SimpleDice, OneHash, CyberDice, Earnbet, Windice, SwC Poker, DuckDice, Tower.Bet, VipGame, BitGame @Iv4n Thank you friend! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I have always been a fan of your work and I can understand that you want to get a reward for your work but it is a pity that all these reviews are deactivated. If we want to find an objective and full review of these casinos we are thus forced to visit another site, which can also not be the goal. Is there no solution possible that you don't need to deactivate the reviews? This move seems a bit too drastic for me.
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