Zazarb unreasonable and greedy.

[andulolika]

I never paid much attention to his trust ratings I will keep the other example i saw away.

So first of all he was wrong on the price of the CLAM's i owed him, he was guiding by coinmarketcap and I could of given him 3 times less money, instead i gave him 300% the amount of clams he lended to me which was also 3 times the fiat value of the 60 clams he lended me. He wanted more, I could of let him with his coinmarketcap price but I instead I repaid with actual unknown market price for that site. (Actual price can be found on BAC's exchange on freebitcoins.com)

He refuses to change his rating and I'm certain my repayment was more than fair.

The other example I saw happend on last btc pump, user already repaid few times the $ value but that mean't nothing for zazarb. I consider him greedy as hell so make sure you set up good terms.

He also tried to bring a collateral from a past repaid loan into the game.
I could of easily repaid him with his 20c price per coin but being fair with him is pointless, i'd recommend not using him, we had countless deals where in a single day he would make in commission the 60 clams i owed to him and still whines after 180 repaid, I do admit it took a good while but his hump on the commissions made me not give a fuck, honestly.

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[Timelord2067]

Always read the contract.

[andulolika]

Always read the contract.

No contract had that in vision, and if i weren't honest i could of repaid him with less money than I ended up giving to him, but he didn't appreciate that, he came up with a ridiculous amount, i came up with a 10% per month which would of been a amount very close to what i said and would of been repaid with less than i actually repaid him. I don't really care about the rating, means very little but I seen other users were getting extorted and squeeshed by him and left the forum after a huge repayment fiat wise.

[Timelord2067]

No contract had that in vision,...

Then is this a scam accusation?  If so then your thread is in the wrong section.

[andulolika]

No contract had that in vision,...

Then is this a scam accusation?  If so then your thread is in the wrong section.

Well it isn't a scam, but I do think it would be a hard hit for his reputation in the given sector.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but are you talking about a specific deal that was done recently with zazarb?  I checked your trust page, and I did notice a few negs from him but they were from 2018 and earlier.  Are those loans still an issue between the two of you, or has something else occurred? 

And it may be my ADD acting up, but I'm having a hard time following exactly what went on with the CLAMS.  I'd be interested to hear a concise synopsis of what happened.

[andulolika]

Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but are you talking about a specific deal that was done recently with zazarb?  I checked your trust page, and I did notice a few negs from him but they were from 2018 and earlier.  Are those loans still an issue between the two of you, or has something else occurred?  

And it may be my ADD acting up, but I'm having a hard time following exactly what went on with the CLAMS.  I'd be interested to hear a concise synopsis of what happened.

He lended me around 60 clams in one of our fast deals, my life went into a twist and I couldn't repay him for.. well 3 years? I repaid him 3 times the initial amount of clams in btc.

He didn't and probably doesn't know the actual value of the CLAMs he was valuing them at around 20c on a dead exchange when it has it's own and price was rounding a dollar on repayment. I repaid the correct price which was atleast 3 times the usd value he believed and at the same time 3 times the amount of clams in BTC i repaid.

He wasn't happy and came with a ridiculous amount and i told him in worst case scenario he could ask for 10% monthly for 3 years which is just a bit more than what I actually repaid him.
After all this he told me I'm fucked, burned, or well say i bite my own tail and bringed up user id 51 from just-dice i had offered him as collateral long ago but i'm certain this wasn't the case there was no collateral on this one as far as i remember, in any case, during these 3 years i never ceased contact and might of said I would give it IF I DON'T REPAY thing I actually did but I'm not even certain of this one.

What I know is that he made that amount of clams in a single day in comissions if all went well, he can't whine and he destroyed a members reputation in the past, check his ratings seemed a legit user on the first look i had. note: We could of done 6 deals in a single day privately, can't remember well but usually comission is 10%.

He also ceased any response after bringing the user id in the conversation and mantained the rating negative.

If he really went like that for it I could of refused paying BTC and let him deal with the market since the deal was in CLAM.

[suchmoon]

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If that's "a concise synopsis" then I have a 2ft penis...

The best I can figure is that all this is about ~$12 worth of clams, which you took 3 years to repay. You have no grounds to be bitching about any part of it but of course you know that so you're just making shit up to obfuscate what a fucking degenerate scammer you are.

[andulolika]

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If that's "a concise synopsis" then I have a 2ft penis...

The best I can figure is that all this is about ~$12 worth of clams, which you took 3 years to repay. You have no grounds to be bitching about any part of it but of course you know that so you're just making shit up to obfuscate what a fucking degenerate scammer you are.

You corner cocksucker keep puking words the way you can, it's funnier the hassle for that dust.

I has more grounds than your stupid eyes can see.

[suchmoon]

I has more grounds than your stupid eyes can see.

The only reasonable thing to do in a situation like this would be to repay the loan and interest in full (or a negotiated amount but the lender is not obligated to reduce the interest or make any other concessions), apologize profusely, and thank the lender for patience. Instead you call him unreasonable and greedy. This obviously goes well together with your death threats and other obnoxious actions so no big surprise here.

[andulolika]

I has more grounds than your stupid eyes can see.

The only reasonable thing to do in a situation like this would be to repay the loan and interest in full (or a negotiated amount but the lender is not obligated to reduce the interest or make any other concessions), apologize profusely, and thank the lender for patience. Instead you call him unreasonable and greedy. This obviously goes well together with your death threats and other obnoxious actions so no big surprise here.

Are you blind? I repaid him 180 clams worth of btc , original loan was 60 clams, He also guided himself by coinmarketcap which was wrong I repaid him the actual clam value which was atleast 3 times the value he believed, and then he tried to squeesh me of a user id on a gambling site.

And you know perfectly the death threats were towards a scam promoter and profiter. But ignore it as you all do.
It's obvious you don't even bother to read.

https://imgur.com/a/dfiAbms Here he is bringing messages from 2015 and 2016

Edit: Might of been off with fiat value claimed in the thread but the price swinged quite a bit, amount i sent him was exactly 100$.

He also tried claiming he could of sold the clams for a ridiculous amount of btc at a spike, he had plenty of commissioned clams.

[TGD]

Do you compute the sum up of the interest? You defaulted the loan and it took 3 years to pay. I think he compounded the interest because you are defaulted for a long period. Try to ask him for a detailed computation of your loan so that you can clear this up. You have the agreement on where he will based the rate and as far as zazarb is concern. He always used coinmarketcap for the rate.

If you have time. You can post here all your payment transaction so that we can check the time and the rate of clam at that moment. It will help to solve this issue.

[andulolika]

Do you compute the sum up of the interest? You defaulted the loan and it took 3 years to pay. I think he compounded the interest because you are defaulted for a long period. Try to ask him for a detailed computation of your loan so that you can clear this up. You have the agreement on where he will based the rate and as far as zazarb is concern. He always used coinmarketcap for the rate.

If you have time. You can post here all your payment transaction so that we can check the time and the rate of clam at that moment. It will help to solve this issue.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/a80610642f395c03b30103c2e77d0064cc459a70b2a8eaa27f16036aa2237fb3 This was the repayment tx
I guided myself on https://freebitcoins.com/xchange/market/BTC_CLAM as its the only exchange community uses, whatever coinmarketcap bases on is made up on a non-functional exchange.

We never talked about compound as far as I remember.

As per coinmarketcap 180 clams would of been 55$ at 30c per coin which was actualy slightly cheaper.

He seemed okay with 10% monthly for all this time, if i'm not wrong as per coinmarketcap i sent him even a small tip.
216 clams with 10% monthly over 60 + the 60 would be 276.

[zazarb]

Just saw this thread, I don't think it's worth explaining here, but I'll write a few words. I didn't see what he was writing his accusation, just in the title only.

The most absurd thing here is that I didn't even try force him pay me more, I just said that by my calculations his refunded amount is unfair and explain my point, then he started attacking me with personal messages and neg feedbacks, I decided not to go into further discussions and I stopped communicating.

I loaned him  60 clam in 2017 (amount was worth around 0.06BTC) for one month period with 10% interest.Several time he extended loan , then gone, later responded, and so continues for three years with promises to return debt.
In  period 2016-2019 I hold some clam's with intention to sell when price will be higher(trade) even 2019 clam was reached 0.0022BTC per clam, it is not difficult to calculate what loss will bring me unpaid on time, debt.
So when he returned to me 0.01BTC, I showed my dissatisfaction:

Please be carefull with shitcoined collateral just seen ur last post, repayment getting close and clam pumped quite a bit, hope you not mad, if you just knew how life twisted for me... Anyhow its a 250% loan hihhest i paid before was 200% so you have a record.

2017 Jan., when you took loan, 1 clam costed around 0.001 BTC currently only 0.000035BTC or 30 time less, so even 250% of interest long away to compensate my loss...

Clam is at 60 cents, 100$ will arrive soon enough, sorry for the delay and everything, thanks a lot for all the loans you done to me .

As I told you in previous message, in 2017 loan amount of 60 CLAM was worth around 0.06BTC(as I multiple time was declare that me not interested fiat equivalent)
So after 3 years of delay, you return  me 0.01BTC?!. I don't think that's fair...

If someone lended me 1.6 btc i owe him 1.6 btc, that's what people tells me, you got nearly 3 times the initial amount of the crypto lended.

Exactly, but Lend term was max one month , not three years. (Extension cost 10 % per month, so if  count Compound interest , is will be 2111% !!! Or 60 clam+ 2111%=1266clam) You wait three years , until clam became almost worthless and then you repaid. On the other hand If you forgot, I can reserch your old message where you told me that if clam price drops signific, you will compensate difference.

[andulolika]

Just saw this thread, I don't think it's worth explaining here, but I'll write a few words. I didn't see what he was writing his accusation, just in the title only.

The most absurd thing here is that I didn't even try force him pay me more, I just said that by my calculations his refunded amount is unfair and explain my point, then he started attacking me with personal messages and neg feedbacks, I decided not to go into further discussions and I stopped communicating.

I loaned him  60 clam in 2017 (amount was worth around 0.06BTC) for one month period with 10% interest.Several time he extended loan , then gone, later responded, and so continues for three years with promises to return debt.
In  period 2016-2019 I hold some clam's with intention to sell when price will be higher(trade) even 2019 clam was reached 0.0022BTC per clam, it is not difficult to calculate what loss will bring me unpaid on time, debt.
So when he returned to me 0.01BTC, I showed my dissatisfaction:

Please be carefull with shitcoined collateral just seen ur last post, repayment getting close and clam pumped quite a bit, hope you not mad, if you just knew how life twisted for me... Anyhow its a 250% loan hihhest i paid before was 200% so you have a record.

2017 Jan., when you took loan, 1 clam costed around 0.001 BTC currently only 0.000035BTC or 30 time less, so even 250% of interest long away to compensate my loss...

Clam is at 60 cents, 100$ will arrive soon enough, sorry for the delay and everything, thanks a lot for all the loans you done to me .

As I told you in previous message, in 2017 loan amount of 60 CLAM was worth around 0.06BTC(as I multiple time was declare that me not interested fiat equivalent)
So after 3 years of delay, you return  me 0.01BTC?!. I don't think that's fair...

If someone lended me 1.6 btc i owe him 1.6 btc, that's what people tells me, you got nearly 3 times the initial amount of the crypto lended.

Exactly, but Lend term was max one month , not three years. (Extension cost 10 % per month, so if  count Compound interest , is will be 2111% !!! Or 60 clam+ 2111%=1266clam) You wait three years , until clam became almost worthless and then you repaid. On the other hand If you forgot, I can reserch your old message where you told me that if clam price drops signific, you will compensate difference.

You perhaps made hundreds of commissioned clams  which you could of sold on that spike and certainly you were holding more, i has no idea if we ever talked about compound tho honestly. USD wise you didnt have a loss i think no idea.
i had to leave my 2300 a month job and the country and you care about fucking dust you made in a good day of loans.

Edit: I started atacking you? you told me I'm fucked and "karma a bitch" trying to squeesh a user id from just dice from me we had in a previous deal as collateral.  You were never calm you just wanted more. Keep dreaming of compound.

And check the fucking actual market of the coin at XCHANGE not coinmarketcap.

[Vod]

The most absurd thing here is that I didn't even try force him pay me more, I just said that by my calculations his refunded amount is unfair and explain my point, then he started attacking me with personal messages and neg feedbacks, I decided not to go into further discussions and I stopped communicating.

This thread is stupid, so I didn't bother reading fully - however, I believe zazarb.  I see the proof here in this thread that the OP is childish and immature. 

[andulolika]

The most absurd thing here is that I didn't even try force him pay me more, I just said that by my calculations his refunded amount is unfair and explain my point, then he started attacking me with personal messages and neg feedbacks, I decided not to go into further discussions and I stopped communicating.

This thread is stupid, so I didn't bother reading fully - however, I believe zazarb.  I see the proof here in this thread that the OP is childish and immature.  

How can you see proof If you didn't bother to read? I don't really care. Thanks good guy Vod pump my signature.
Please believe whatever the fuck you want.

[AlexSimion]

Isn't it a fact though that if you borrow a certain coin from someone , in this case 60 clams , you need to return 60 clams aswell ? regardless of price going up or down ? or was the deal made to borrow the coins but deal would be at usd value ?

[LoyceV]

@andulolika: from your OP, I have no idea what this is all about. Why don't you post a complete story, with all relevant information (and links to back it up) at once?

He lended me around 60 clams in one of our fast deals, my life went into a twist and I couldn't repay him for.. well 3 years? I repaid him 3 times the initial amount of clams in btc.

That must have been one hell of a "twist", if it took you 3 years. Did you discuss about paying back in Bitcoin instead of in Clams? Otherwise it doesn't make sense to use a different currency.

After all this he told me I'm fucked, burned, or well say i bite my own tail and bringed up user id 51 from just-dice i had offered him as collateral long ago but i'm certain this wasn't the case there was no collateral on this one as far as i remember, in any case, during these 3 years i never ceased contact and might of said I would give it IF I DON'T REPAY thing I actually did but I'm not even certain of this one.

How can this even be one sentence? You make it really hard to understand.

Clams has $21.68 USD Volume (24h) on Coinmarketcap. It only shows trades on scam-exchange YoBit. I'd say Clams is pretty much dead, like most shitcoins. So if you're going to pay back in Bitcoin, maybe you should use the exchange rate at the time you borrowed the Clams (plus interest).

You corner cocksucker keep puking words the way you can, it's funnier the hassle for that dust.

I has more grounds than your stupid eyes can see.

Lol, again: you make it very hard to get to the bottom of your story. I sense some anger, but it helps to stay on topic.

He also tried claiming he could of sold the clams for a ridiculous amount of btc at a spike, he had plenty of commissioned clams.

That sounds plausible after a short-term loan. It also sounds plausible he couldn't sell it when you didn't return it on time.

then he started attacking me with personal messages and neg feedbacks

Leaving negative feedback (by the borrower) after being 3 years late is a bit .... weird.

You perhaps made hundreds of commissioned clams  which you could of sold on that spike and certainly you were holding more

This has nothing to do with your loan.

i had to leave my 2300 a month job and the country

This has nothing to do with zazarb.

and you care about fucking dust you made in a good day of loans.

Zazarb's other business has nothing do do with you (or your loan).

And check the fucking actual market of the coin at XCHANGE not coinmarketcap.

I've never heard of "xchange", CMC is more or less the industry standard.

I see the proof here in this thread that the OP is childish and immature.

Confirmed!

Isn't it a fact though that if you borrow a certain coin from someone , in this case 60 clams , you need to return 60 clams aswell ? regardless of price going up or down ? or was the deal made to borrow the coins but deal would be at usd value ?

I've seen Clams, Bitcoins and US dollars dragged into this. If you search far enough, you'll always find a coin that was worth a lot back then and worthless now.
I'm tend to agree with zazarb on this:

Clam is at 60 cents, 100$ will arrive soon enough, sorry for the delay and everything, thanks a lot for all the loans you done to me .

As I told you in previous message, in 2017 loan amount of 60 CLAM was worth around 0.06BTC(as I multiple time was declare that me not interested fiat equivalent)
So after 3 years of delay, you return  me 0.01BTC?!. I don't think that's fair...

[andulolika]

Isn't it a fact though that if you borrow a certain coin from someone , in this case 60 clams , you need to return 60 clams aswell ? regardless of price going up or down ? or was the deal made to borrow the coins but deal would be at usd value ?

I'm not sure why i answer you since you just follow blindy whatever you read, i repaid three times the amount lended.

@andulolika: from your OP, I have no idea what this is all about. Why don't you post a complete story, with all relevant information (and links to back it up) at once?

He lended me around 60 clams in one of our fast deals, my life went into a twist and I couldn't repay him for.. well 3 years? I repaid him 3 times the initial amount of clams in btc.

Did you discuss about paying back in Bitcoin instead of in Clams? Otherwise it doesn't make sense to use a different currency.

After all this he told me I'm fucked, burned, or well say i bite my own tail and bringed up user id 51 from just-dice i had offered him as collateral long ago but i'm certain this wasn't the case there was no collateral on this one as far as i remember, in any case, during these 3 years i never ceased contact and might of said I would give it IF I DON'T REPAY thing I actually did but I'm not even certain of this one.

How can this even be one sentence? You make it really hard to understand.

Clams has $21.68 USD Volume (24h) on Coinmarketcap. It only shows trades on scam-exchange YoBit. I'd say Clams is pretty much dead, like most shitcoins. So if you're going to pay back in Bitcoin, maybe you should use the exchange rate at the time you borrowed the Clams (plus interest).

He also tried claiming he could of sold the clams for a ridiculous amount of btc at a spike, he had plenty of commissioned clams.

That sounds plausible after a short-term loan. It also sounds plausible he couldn't sell it when you didn't return it on time.

then he started attacking me with personal messages and neg feedbacks

Leaving negative feedback (by the borrower) after being 3 years late is a bit .... weird.

And check the fucking actual market of the coin at XCHANGE not coinmarketcap.

I've never heard of "xchange", CMC is more or less the industry standard.

Coin market cap uses scam exchange, the exchange just-dice and the CLAM community uses is on freebitcoins.com owned by BayAreaCoins you can't say you didn't know that as is impossible to miss in the forum by someone that reads as much as you do.

Deal was in CLAM and i had to repay CLAM I repaid BTC asking him what he wants.

I consider the loan repaid and as I said he won't see another satoshi from me.

I'm not gonna repeat myself again take it however you want.